Does the AI display logic in team building yet?

megamanmatt · 03-30-2012, 01:02 AM

Basically what the topic asks, is there any logic to it yet? I ask becasue I'm looking a league that I've let run for around 60 years and right now there are currently a few big contract players not even on their teams 40-man.

Now... I'm admittedly confused as to how the guy with the 7 year $106,000,000 contract can even be off a 40-man roster and eligible for the rule 5 draft, but past that why in the hell would a team hire a new 1b for $5,000,000 a year to replace a guy with a lifetime .324 average who generally averages 48HRs, 144RBIs and an OPS of almost .990 every year and is just finishing the 2nd year of that 7 year $106 million?

That is not logic.

BusterKing · 03-30-2012, 01:59 AM

I hope we have some nice AI improvement in the new version.

Markus Heinsohn · 03-30-2012, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by megamanmatt

Basically what the topic asks, is there any logic to it yet? I ask becasue I'm looking a league that I've let run for around 60 years and right now there are currently a few big contract players not even on their teams 40-man.

Now... I'm admittedly confused as to how the guy with the 7 year $106,000,000 contract can even be off a 40-man roster and eligible for the rule 5 draft, but past that why in the hell would a team hire a new 1b for $5,000,000 a year to replace a guy with a lifetime .324 average who generally averages 48HRs, 144RBIs and an OPS of almost .990 every year and is just finishing the 2nd year of that 7 year $106 million?

That is not logic.

Issues like these never occur in my tests... so, this probably is a result of some weird circumstances which are extremely rare.

That being said, yes, OOTP 13 does have improved roster building AI.

megamanmatt · 03-30-2012, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

this probably is a result of some weird circumstances which are extremely rare.

I'm pretty sure I know what happened now and it's less a weird circumstance and more just in how the AI updates the rosters. What happened is the guy was injured for like 3 months at the end of July so he probably was on a rehab assignment or the DL when the season ended so when a move had to be made he was dumped into the minors.

The part I still don't get though is why he isn't on the 40-man roster when he obviously has a major league contract.

Markus Heinsohn · 03-30-2012, 07:04 AM

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The part I still don't get though is why he isn't on the 40-man roster when he obviously has a major league contract.

He would have to clear waivers to do so, which is what probably happened sometime back.

Cryomaniac · 03-30-2012, 07:35 AM

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He would have to clear waivers to do so, which is what probably happened sometime back.

I think the question is, how could such a guy clear waivers? Admittedly it's a large contract, but you'd probably expect someone to pick him up.

Thundercrack · 03-30-2012, 02:22 PM

Well, had to chime in. Had a situation in 12 where a team had an all star level, highly paid catcher. In the offseason the team signed a slightly better all star level catcher, for even more money. Neither player was qualified to play another position, non-DH league. So the first catcher, one of the best, most highly paid players in the league, in his prime, was a backup catcher for the next two seasons. Not looking for perfection in the game, just saying that it happens a little more frequently than we might like it to.

The Wolf · 03-30-2012, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Thundercrack

Had a situation in 12 where a team had an all star level, highly paid catcher. In the offseason the team signed a slightly better all star level catcher, for even more money...So the first catcher, one of the best, most highly paid players in the league, in his prime, was a backup catcher for the next two seasons.

This was the Yankees, right?

Thundercrack · 03-30-2012, 03:36 PM

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This was the Yankees, right?

How'd you guess?

Lafayette53 · 03-30-2012, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Thundercrack

Well, had to chime in. Had a situation in 12 where a team had an all star level, highly paid catcher. In the offseason the team signed a slightly better all star level catcher, for even more money. Neither player was qualified to play another position, non-DH league. So the first catcher, one of the best, most highly paid players in the league, in his prime, was a backup catcher for the next two seasons. Not looking for perfection in the game, just saying that it happens a little more frequently than we might like it to.

I've seen this happen as well- to the point that it bothered me to the point that I turned on commissioner mode to straighten it out. It was very rare though and adjusting some financial settings seemed to minimize it for me. The AI is still far from perfect in this area, but one of the good things about this game is that there is a fair bit of leeway for the player to work around things himself as a stopgap.

shawa666 · 03-30-2012, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Thundercrack

How'd you guess?

Then the AI is not broken, it mimics real life perfectly. Real life is broken.

Thundercrack · 03-30-2012, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by shawa666

Then the AI is not broken, it mimics real life perfectly. Real life is broken.

But that's why I play these games. To fix my broken life.

endgame · 03-30-2012, 09:39 PM

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But that's why I play these games. To fix my broken life.

"Comrade! Brother!"

Elektranaut · 04-01-2012, 11:12 AM

The AI does do some pretty weird things......I had an all-star pitcher,world series winner,pitched a perfect game,27 years old,on a $400,000 contract,straight swopped for a 39 year old minor league 2B...earning $1,500,000 who after 1 season retired!

03-30-2012, 01:02 AM	#1
megamanmatt Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Lakeville, Minnesota Posts: 2,416	Does the AI display logic in team building yet? Basically what the topic asks, is there any logic to it yet? I ask becasue I'm looking a league that I've let run for around 60 years and right now there are currently a few big contract players not even on their teams 40-man. Now... I'm admittedly confused as to how the guy with the 7 year $106,000,000 contract can even be off a 40-man roster and eligible for the rule 5 draft, but past that why in the hell would a team hire a new 1b for $5,000,000 a year to replace a guy with a lifetime .324 average who generally averages 48HRs, 144RBIs and an OPS of almost .990 every year and is just finishing the 2nd year of that 7 year $106 million? That is not logic. __________________ "The Minneapolis Lakers moved to Los Angeles, where there are no lakes; The Oilers moved to Tennessee where there is no oil; the Jazz moved to Salt Lake City where they don't allow music; The Oakland Raiders moved to Los Angeles and then back to Oakland, no one in Los Angeles seemed to notice." Note to self: Princess Kenny was really off-putting.

03-30-2012, 01:59 AM	#2
BusterKing Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 2,418	I hope we have some nice AI improvement in the new version. Last edited by BusterKing; 03-30-2012 at 02:59 AM.

03-30-2012, 02:22 PM	#7
Thundercrack All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 852	Well, had to chime in. Had a situation in 12 where a team had an all star level, highly paid catcher. In the offseason the team signed a slightly better all star level catcher, for even more money. Neither player was qualified to play another position, non-DH league. So the first catcher, one of the best, most highly paid players in the league, in his prime, was a backup catcher for the next two seasons. Not looking for perfection in the game, just saying that it happens a little more frequently than we might like it to.

04-01-2012, 11:12 AM	#14
Elektranaut Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 361	The AI does do some pretty weird things......I had an all-star pitcher,world series winner,pitched a perfect game,27 years old,on a $400,000 contract,straight swopped for a 39 year old minor league 2B...earning $1,500,000 who after 1 season retired!