Free Agent : "This is what I want - no I was just kidding..."

Henry · 05-09-2011, 07:42 PM

Looking for someone to confirm this is an issue...

I've made offers to some FA's giving them exactly what they asked for - most recently 6.5 mil 4 year contract... after a few days I get a note back saying "I didn't know you were a comedian ?? Then I up the offer to 7 mil for 4 years and he says "not what I'm looking for - I want 6.5 mil for 4 years (huh?)

I have to admit I'm confused lol

omgimasian · 05-09-2011, 11:16 PM

That happens on the desktop OOTP as well, but as far as I can see, having played about fifteen seasons, FAs in iOOTP tend to sign for less than the amount they originally expect

Markus Heinsohn · 05-10-2011, 03:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henry

Looking for someone to confirm this is an issue...

I've made offers to some FA's giving them exactly what they asked for - most recently 6.5 mil 4 year contract... after a few days I get a note back saying "I didn't know you were a comedian ?? Then I up the offer to 7 mil for 4 years and he says "not what I'm looking for - I want 6.5 mil for 4 years (huh?)

I have to admit I'm confused lol

Well, that 'bug' is a carryover from OOTP 11. It happens very very rarely, and I have not been able to track it down yet.

Henry · 05-10-2011, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Well, that 'bug' is a carryover from OOTP 11. It happens very very rarely, and I have not been able to track it down yet.

Maybe his agent got the offers mixed up lol - I'll just assume then he didn't really want to play for me

Chicagofan76 · 05-10-2011, 08:16 AM

nice to know iOOTP has the same Free Agent bug the normal game has. ha

I offered my 9 time All Star CF 4 time MVP a 12.5 6 yr contract he comes back and says he wants 10.5 for 4 yrs...ok i agree he comes back and says he wants 11.5 for 4 ok,, comes back now he wants 13.2 for 3 yrs....hmm

Supernovae · 06-18-2011, 10:12 PM

Hate bringing up an old post, but I was wondering if this issue is related to CPU-controlled teams offering players contracts and somehow being able to retract their offer?

I haven't been able to come across that issue, but what I normally do when FA rolls around (in the off-season) is I usually low-ball an offer by about 50% and work my way up.

One season I noticed Zach Grienke was available and asking 17M per over 5 years. So, I offered him 3yr/9M per and worked up to a 3 yr/12M per year deal.

subtle · 06-21-2011, 11:09 AM

I think Markus should hire me as a business process modeling consultant

I have my suspicions that it has to do with the order that the AI evaluates a player's demands versus when it considers the offer from the GM and what changes in the sim environment in the mean time.

We assume that this error is bizarre because to us, the GMs, the "player" appears to make the counter-offer at the time they receive our offer. What I suspect is that the counter-offer is actually calculated at some point in the sim after our offer has been received and reviewed. Assuming the player's decision to accept or counter our offer is based on stats, ratings, and other environmental factors (other salaries in the league, their greed and loyalty ratings, etc.) the process is something like:

1. GM makes offer
2. "Player" reviews offer
3. Offer is not desirable to player based on current ratings/stats/environmental factors
4. Other events in the simulation happen and the environment changes.
5. A counter-offer is generated based on the player's ratings/stats/other environmental factors at this point in the sim
6. We see the counter-offer

So the counter-offer in 5 might be the same offer we made in step 1 because something changed between the time our offer was reviewed and when the counter-offer was generated.

This is a horribly over-simplified version of what I'm speculating, but I'm not really going to break out BizAgi and model 50 different versions of baseless speculations of what might be going on. Even if this doesn't help Markus, maybe it helps other GMs understand that there is a lot more going under the hood than "LOL this game is dumb".

Supernovae · 06-21-2011, 09:31 PM

I was thinking along the same lines, too.

05-09-2011, 07:42 PM	#1
Henry Hall of Fame Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 6,498	Free Agent : "This is what I want - no I was just kidding..." Looking for someone to confirm this is an issue... I've made offers to some FA's giving them exactly what they asked for - most recently 6.5 mil 4 year contract... after a few days I get a note back saying "I didn't know you were a comedian ?? Then I up the offer to 7 mil for 4 years and he says "not what I'm looking for - I want 6.5 mil for 4 years (huh?) I have to admit I'm confused lol

06-18-2011, 10:12 PM	#6
Supernovae Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 160	Hate bringing up an old post, but I was wondering if this issue is related to CPU-controlled teams offering players contracts and somehow being able to retract their offer? I haven't been able to come across that issue, but what I normally do when FA rolls around (in the off-season) is I usually low-ball an offer by about 50% and work my way up. One season I noticed Zach Grienke was available and asking 17M per over 5 years. So, I offered him 3yr/9M per and worked up to a 3 yr/12M per year deal. Last edited by Supernovae; 06-18-2011 at 10:17 PM.

05-09-2011, 11:16 PM	#2
omgimasian Minors (Double A) Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 184	That happens on the desktop OOTP as well, but as far as I can see, having played about fifteen seasons, FAs in iOOTP tend to sign for less than the amount they originally expect

05-10-2011, 08:16 AM	#5
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	nice to know iOOTP has the same Free Agent bug the normal game has. ha I offered my 9 time All Star CF 4 time MVP a 12.5 6 yr contract he comes back and says he wants 10.5 for 4 yrs...ok i agree he comes back and says he wants 11.5 for 4 ok,, comes back now he wants 13.2 for 3 yrs....hmm

06-21-2011, 11:09 AM	#7
subtle Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jun 2010 Posts: 85	I think Markus should hire me as a business process modeling consultant I have my suspicions that it has to do with the order that the AI evaluates a player's demands versus when it considers the offer from the GM and what changes in the sim environment in the mean time. We assume that this error is bizarre because to us, the GMs, the "player" appears to make the counter-offer at the time they receive our offer. What I suspect is that the counter-offer is actually calculated at some point in the sim after our offer has been received and reviewed. Assuming the player's decision to accept or counter our offer is based on stats, ratings, and other environmental factors (other salaries in the league, their greed and loyalty ratings, etc.) the process is something like: 1. GM makes offer 2. "Player" reviews offer 3. Offer is not desirable to player based on current ratings/stats/environmental factors 4. Other events in the simulation happen and the environment changes. 5. A counter-offer is generated based on the player's ratings/stats/other environmental factors at this point in the sim 6. We see the counter-offer So the counter-offer in 5 might be the same offer we made in step 1 because something changed between the time our offer was reviewed and when the counter-offer was generated. This is a horribly over-simplified version of what I'm speculating, but I'm not really going to break out BizAgi and model 50 different versions of baseless speculations of what might be going on. Even if this doesn't help Markus, maybe it helps other GMs understand that there is a lot more going under the hood than "LOL this game is dumb".

06-21-2011, 09:31 PM	#8
Supernovae Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 160	I was thinking along the same lines, too.