Player's Height and Weight

thulean · 01-29-2011, 04:26 PM

Does a player's height and weight have any impact on anything or is it merely cosmetic? I've been using the height and weight to gauge what position players should play. So if a guy is 5'10" 200, for example, I usually peg him as a 2B. Theres a typical height and weight for each position.

I would hope that it does have some relevance. I think it's a flaw in the game if youve got a 6'5" " 230 pound player coming up as 2B, for example.

CD1083 · 01-29-2011, 04:31 PM

Purely Cosmetic.

thulean · 01-29-2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase Davis

Purely Cosmetic.

And you say this based on what evidence that it's purely cosmetic? Or is this just your opinion?

I think Markus may have programmed prototypical players into player creation. So the height and weight would be relevant to a player's type.

A 6'4" 230 pounder would be a prototypical 1B. So if you were going to create a 1B, you wouldnt make him 5'8" 160. Youd make him 6'4" 220 or so.

1998 Yankees · 01-29-2011, 04:57 PM

I can't prove it but from memory of what I've read here, I think Chase Davis is right.

Ktulu · 01-29-2011, 04:59 PM

Height and weight are not purely cosmetic. Sort the players in your league by height and weight and you'll notice some trends.

1998 Yankees · 01-29-2011, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ktulu

Height and weight are not purely cosmetic. Sort the players in your league by height and weight and you'll notice some trends.

How so? Is there a relationship of size to power, for example? (Which would be good if true...)

CD1083 · 01-29-2011, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by thulean

And you say this based on what evidence that it's purely cosmetic? Or is this just your opinion?

I think Markus may have programmed prototypical players into player creation. So the height and weight would be relevant to a player's type.

A 6'4" 230 pounder would be a prototypical 1B. So if you were going to create a 1B, you wouldnt make him 5'8" 160. Youd make him 6'4" 220 or so.

These are two different things. Cosmetic is how something looks. It can be programmed to have positions be certain sizes. That doesn't mean the output is affected by it.

Your question was whether height and weight have an impact on anything. Which it does not.

Fat pitchers play just as well (or bad) as skinny ones.

Ktulu · 01-29-2011, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

How so? Is there a relationship of size to power, for example? (Which would be good if true...)

BMI has an impact on power, the biggest guys don't have great speed, most of lighter players do have speed, the tallest guys play first or corner OF etc. There are exceptions to everything and the game can do more to factor in body type, but to say height and weight are purely cosmetic is simply not true.

thulean · 01-29-2011, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Ktulu

Height and weight are not purely cosmetic. Sort the players in your league by height and weight and you'll notice some trends.

Yes. Exactly my point. The height and weight isnt just random I dont think.

Chicagofan76 · 01-29-2011, 05:11 PM

my tallest 2B is 6'3 205 not a very good player...he's on page 4.
Tallest SS is 6'3 200 he s Alex Rodriguez like hitting 48 HR 1 sn.

Shortest 1B is 5'10. career minor leaguer.

CD1083 · 01-29-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by thulean

Yes. Exactly my point. The height and weight isnt just random I dont think.

Random and Cosmetic are two different things.

thulean · 01-29-2011, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 1998 Yankees

How so? Is there a relationship of size to power, for example? (Which would be good if true...)

Of course there is. A player that is 6'4" 230 would generally have more power and eye than one who was 6'4" 190.

A 6'4" 190 player would be more of a high contact, high avoid K player with speed.

Obviously theres exceptions on both ends but generally I think thats how it goes.

thulean · 01-29-2011, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

my tallest 2B is 6'3 205 not a very good player...he's on page 4.
Tallest SS is 6'3 200 he s Alex Rodriguez like hitting 48 HR 1 sn.

Shortest 1B is 5'10. career minor leaguer.

Those arent really atypical sizes tho for middle infielders. Shortstops are usually taller and longer. It's usually 2B's that are shorter and stockier.

Theres a 2B I have thats 6'4" 225 and I think thats a little bizarre. I cant recall any 2B in history that was 6'4" 225 like that.

thulean · 01-29-2011, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase Davis

Random and Cosmetic are two different things.

Well, Im just saying on the one hand it's cosmetic and has no bearing on player development or ratings, but on the other hand it's a clue as to what position the player would play.

You wouldnt develop a guy 6'5" 240 at 2B. So theres things you can know from the height and weight is my point.

fhomess · 01-29-2011, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by thulean

Well, Im just saying on the one hand it ... has no bearing on player development or ratings

I'm not sure this is true.

CD1083 · 01-29-2011, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by thulean

Well, Im just saying on the one hand it's cosmetic and has no bearing on player development or ratings, but on the other hand it's a clue as to what position the player would play.

You wouldnt develop a guy 6'5" 240 at 2B. So theres things you can know from the height and weight is my point.

In the real world yes, but Markus hasn't given any indication that it plays a factor into any performance.

If you prefer to develop your players that way then that's fine but you're not going to notice more errors from a 5'6" 1st baseman than from one that is 7'0". The game just isn't built that way.

thulean · 01-29-2011, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase Davis

These are two different things. Cosmetic is how something looks. It can be programmed to have positions be certain sizes. That doesn't mean the output is affected by it.

Your question was whether height and weight have an impact on anything. Which it does not.

Right. I suppose I should have clarified what I was getting at. I mean not that it has any impact on performance, but that it's useful information to see what position a player should play and not just a cosmetic enhancement that should be ignored.

In other words, if Ive got a player thats 6'4" 240, Im less apt to put him at 2B. He projects more as a corner infielder.

So my question essentially is, is it programmed so that we can look at the height and weight and conclude where the player should play? It seems like it is.

thulean · 01-29-2011, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Chase Davis

you're not going to notice more errors from a 5'6" 1st baseman than from one that is 7'0". The game just isn't built that way.

See my thinking is that it is built that way. And if I have a 240 pound player I probably shouldnt put him at 2B.

thulean · 01-29-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by fhomess

I'm not sure this is true.

Me either. Thats why Im bringing this up to see what everyone knows.

thulean · 01-29-2011, 05:36 PM

I dont think that because a guy is 240 pounds hes going to hit more home runs than a guy thats 200 pounds. Thats not what Im getting at. I dont think that makes any difference. Thats all determined by ratings. Theres no code written in that brings in height and weight as factors in performance.

But it makes a difference with defense I think. You can tell sometimes from the height and weight the player's best position.

01-29-2011, 04:26 PM	#1
thulean Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 72	Player's Height and Weight Does a player's height and weight have any impact on anything or is it merely cosmetic? I've been using the height and weight to gauge what position players should play. So if a guy is 5'10" 200, for example, I usually peg him as a 2B. Theres a typical height and weight for each position. I would hope that it does have some relevance. I think it's a flaw in the game if youve got a 6'5" " 230 pound player coming up as 2B, for example.

01-29-2011, 04:59 PM	#5
Ktulu Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: BC Posts: 4,533	Height and weight are not purely cosmetic. Sort the players in your league by height and weight and you'll notice some trends. __________________ "The ice is getting even more thinner, my friend!"

01-29-2011, 04:31 PM	#2
CD1083 All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,590	Purely Cosmetic.

01-29-2011, 04:57 PM	#4
1998 Yankees Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Yankee Stadium, back in 1998. Posts: 8,645	I can't prove it but from memory of what I've read here, I think Chase Davis is right.

01-29-2011, 05:11 PM	#10
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	my tallest 2B is 6'3 205 not a very good player...he's on page 4. Tallest SS is 6'3 200 he s Alex Rodriguez like hitting 48 HR 1 sn. Shortest 1B is 5'10. career minor leaguer.

01-29-2011, 05:36 PM	#20
thulean Banned Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 72	I dont think that because a guy is 240 pounds hes going to hit more home runs than a guy thats 200 pounds. Thats not what Im getting at. I dont think that makes any difference. Thats all determined by ratings. Theres no code written in that brings in height and weight as factors in performance. But it makes a difference with defense I think. You can tell sometimes from the height and weight the player's best position.