Is defense overrated?

Libid21 · 12-10-2010, 11:56 AM

Is defense overrated? Can you win with good starting pitching and average to below average defense throughout the field?

JWay · 12-10-2010, 12:03 PM

No defense is still probably slightly underrated. However, OOTP does not age defense very well. I can have a CF who gets two knee injuries, and still remain a stud CF, despite losses in speed and hitting ability. All his other ratings are all but crippled.

JWay · 12-10-2010, 12:05 PM

As for your question I guess. Yeah, good pitchers can do well with/without good defense, if they walk very little, strike out many, keep balls in the park. Obviously pitchers who have a high GB% benefit/get hurt by infield defense more, and vice versa with fly ballers and OF defense.

Park factors matter too!

Libid21 · 12-10-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JWay

As for your question I guess. Yeah, good pitchers can do well with/without good defense, if they walk very little, strike out many, keep balls in the park. Obviously pitchers who have a high GB% benefit/get hurt by infield defense more, and vice versa with fly ballers and OF defense.

Park factors matter too!

How do I know how my parks are whether pitcher-friendly or hitter-friendly?

robc · 12-10-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Libid21

How do I know how my parks are whether pitcher-friendly or hitter-friendly?

In the Team menu, the last item is Team Options & Ballpark Info. Select it. The right hand side of the screen lists the ballpark factors. Assuming the ballpark factors are balanced for your league, the items with a value > 1 are more likely than the average ballpark to occur. The items with a value < 1 are less likely than the average ballpark to occur.

The Wolf · 12-10-2010, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by robc

In the Team menu, the last item is Team Options & Ballpark Info. Select it. The right hand side of the screen lists the ballpark factors. Assuming the ballpark factors are balanced for your league, the items with a value > 1 are more likely than the average ballpark to occur. The items with a value < 1 are less likely than the average ballpark to occur.

Yes. It is overrated. You can do well without it

Afino · 12-11-2010, 02:14 PM

Honestly, it kind of depends on the other teams in your league.

If it's an online league where a lot of other owners put a premium on defense, if you don't, you're going to fall behind.

JWay · 12-11-2010, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

Yes. It is overrated. You can do well without it

Right, in the same way you can do well without a good offense, or good pitching. But punting anyone one of the three is a recipe for disaster.

Afino · 12-11-2010, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JWay

Right, in the same way you can do well without a good offense, or good pitching. But punting anyone one of the three is a recipe for disaster.

That's pretty much the case.

The Wolf · 12-12-2010, 12:05 AM

My teams all have average defense at best but win consistently.

Chicagofan76 · 12-12-2010, 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Libid21

Is defense overrated? Can you win with good starting pitching and average to below average defense throughout the field?

Ask The Chicago White Sox, while Beckham, Alexei and Paulie r above avg thats all they r, Teahen is crap so are the corner OF ers.

Chicagofan76 · 12-12-2010, 06:22 AM

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Originally Posted by JWay

No defense is still probably slightly underrated. However, OOTP does not age defense very well. I can have a CF who gets two knee injuries, and still remain a stud CF, despite losses in speed and hitting ability. All his other ratings are all but crippled.

Steve Finley

Chicagofan76 · 12-12-2010, 06:26 AM

For my Chicago Fire I have stellar Defense in teh IF & OF but especially up the middle, My SS def ratings r 10 and he has a GG, My 2B has won a GG in LF, 3B, & SS and my CF has 5 GG (3CF 2SS) I also have a great young def 3B, my C sucks though no matter who I have behind teh plate but I have 3 SP that have a knuckleball with other pitches, I have lead the league in SB vs me each of the last 4 yrs. Right now my OF ers lead overall in assists.

Afino · 12-12-2010, 10:49 AM

Do you really need to post in EVERY thread eight times?

JWay · 12-12-2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Chicagofan76

Steve Finley

Naming one player doesn't really prove a point as its common in OOTP. Also just because Steve Finley was playing CF, doesn't mean he was good at it. In fact he was quite poor at it. Steve Finley Statistics Batting | FanGraphs Baseball

JWay · 12-12-2010, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by The Wolf

My teams all have average defense at best but win consistently.

Who said you needed awesome defense to win?

Mr. Baseball · 12-12-2010, 01:18 PM

After recently losing a game in the 12th inning due to my relievers inability to flip the ball to first base with accuracy, it's safe to say defense is not overrated.

Chicagofan76 · 12-12-2010, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Afino

Do you really need to post in EVERY thread eight times?

i read 1 thing responded, read something else and responded then forgot about what i meant to respond about in the 1st place and added that in aswell

bailey · 12-15-2010, 10:35 PM

Don't worry about it. Your posts per day is less than the plaintiff.

12-10-2010, 11:56 AM	#1
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Mr. Baseball All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Mequon, Wisconsin Posts: 1,020	After recently losing a game in the 12th inning due to my relievers inability to flip the ball to first base with accuracy, it's safe to say defense is not overrated. __________________ Duluth Danger (HBL) Dynasty Report -- Online League Franchise Duluth - 1985/1989 North League Champions!

12-10-2010, 12:03 PM	#2
JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,021	No defense is still probably slightly underrated. However, OOTP does not age defense very well. I can have a CF who gets two knee injuries, and still remain a stud CF, despite losses in speed and hitting ability. All his other ratings are all but crippled.

12-10-2010, 12:05 PM	#3
JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,021	As for your question I guess. Yeah, good pitchers can do well with/without good defense, if they walk very little, strike out many, keep balls in the park. Obviously pitchers who have a high GB% benefit/get hurt by infield defense more, and vice versa with fly ballers and OF defense. Park factors matter too!

12-12-2010, 06:26 AM	#13
Chicagofan76 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Diamond, IL Posts: 6,339 Infractions: 2/2 (3)	For my Chicago Fire I have stellar Defense in teh IF & OF but especially up the middle, My SS def ratings r 10 and he has a GG, My 2B has won a GG in LF, 3B, & SS and my CF has 5 GG (3CF 2SS) I also have a great young def 3B, my C sucks though no matter who I have behind teh plate but I have 3 SP that have a knuckleball with other pitches, I have lead the league in SB vs me each of the last 4 yrs. Right now my OF ers lead overall in assists.

12-15-2010, 10:35 PM	#19
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,315	Don't worry about it. Your posts per day is less than the plaintiff.