Pac vs Margarito PPV

gocubsgo · 11-12-2010, 11:15 PM

Okay guys what do you think, is this one worth paying for? I really want to see a good fight that is finally worth plunking down the money. So boxing experts what do you think?

IceTea · 11-12-2010, 11:21 PM

I think Margarito peaked too early. I'm taking Manny by UD or very late stoppage. If he wins, I doubt if he fights again. Margarito has the tools to win. He throws a mean lead uppercut which could cut Manny's movement to his right, but at the end of the day, I think Manny has too much speed and skill. Manny has to avoid allowing Margarito to walk him down and force him to the ropes. Manny can't fight on the ropes nor fight going backwards.

meade95 · 11-13-2010, 01:33 PM

Margarito is somewhere where ODL was when Manny fought him - Not as drained, but drained nontheless.....He also has only fought once in what the past year and a half or more? He will likely be slower than his usual self, with his timing off to boot....... Manny doesn't get tagged early he likely wins this one quite easily....

Roach has done a great job at matching Manny up with guys on there way down a full step or two....but before most of the viewing public understands this....

The undercard fight should be the fight of the night.....Cordoba and the Cuban kid...

Antonin · 11-13-2010, 02:53 PM

I think it's worth paying for. Still, we won't be buying it. Too many other priorities in my household.

EMSoccerCoach · 11-13-2010, 09:14 PM

Watch on channelsurfing.net

As for prediction, give me Manny TKO 9

CONN CHRIS · 11-13-2010, 09:28 PM

I'll take Manny by UD. Who's next? Johnny Ruiz?

meade95 · 11-14-2010, 12:41 AM

Pretty much what was expected......Good win for Pac...Margarito is a shell of himself of 3 or 4 years ago........Long, long layoff....weight cut and just out classed.....

Roach knew he wanted this fight a year or so ago......once he saw how a 40 year old Mosley could make Marg look that slow...

IceTea · 11-14-2010, 02:47 AM

Margarito is way post-prime and is one step above a punching bag at this point. Plus, Manny's timing is off. He should have stopped him around 9 or 10. Manny has speed at JMW, not a lot of power. If he fights again, drop back down. I still believe that Mayweather beats him.

sepia warrior · 11-14-2010, 08:23 AM

Manny did what most expected. Margarito is still a sponge as he can absorb punches and keep coming forward. I wondered whether he had the resolve to take four punches to throw one after his demolition by Mosley - he did. Manny hurt him to the body in the 4th and wobbled him in the 10th. Manny took his foot off the petal in the 12th as he knew he had the fight won and that Laurence Cole (another Arthur Mercante Jr. type referee) was not going to stop the fight as long as Margarito was standing with his hands up. When you consider that Margarito had an 18 pound advantage over Manny, I thought Manny's punches were plenty strong. I agree that Margarito is certainly post-prime. He is slower than before and, even at his best, he won because of his aggression, durability and volume punching. His durability has to be lessend some after this fight and his aggression exposes him to punishment. If he keeps fighting, he will quickly become just a stepping stone for rising stars.

hamed2 · 11-14-2010, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by IceTea

Margarito is way post-prime and is one step above a punching bag at this point. Plus, Manny's timing is off. He should have stopped him around 9 or 10. Manny has speed at JMW, not a lot of power. If he fights again, drop back down. I still believe that Mayweather beats him.

You were pretty much dead on with your initial post. Did you end up seeing it last night?

IceTea · 11-14-2010, 02:46 PM

I caught some of it. I'll watch the entire fight next Saturday.

kenyan_cheena · 11-14-2010, 03:38 PM

I said back when the fight was announced that it was a joke and a farce and my belief was confirmed. Margarito had no business being in the same ring as Manny. Pacman wasn't at his best and he still won easily. Bad job by the officials not stopping it, also. Even so, it was fun watching Manny in action.

Undercard wasn't too bad, either. Round two of the Jones-Karass fight was crazy. I also like Rigondeaux, although he could have put on a better show.

hamed2 · 11-14-2010, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by IceTea

I caught some of it. I'll watch the entire fight next Saturday.

Got ya. Also agree about Manny's power @ 154. It was interesting to see what Manny's punches did to Antonio's face. Cotto landed on Margarito in their fight too but he didn't bust up Antonio's face like Manny did.

I recall reading about Randy Shields comparing the punching power of Leonard & Hearns. He said punches landed by Hearns landed with a thud - hard punches. He described Leonard's punches as more sharp, he felt them, just not like the ones Hearns landed. Manny's punches might be best described as sharp too.

kenyan_cheena · 11-14-2010, 06:56 PM

Even though the alphabet gang is a joke it went beyond ridiculous that they were fighting for the 154-pound title when Manny weighed in under the WW limit and Margarito at 150. This "titles in 8 different divisions" stuff is a bit silly, really. The WBC put that belt up for grabs just for the sake of the sanctioning fees.

I don't get how you can say "Manny's power at 154" when he was only 144?

IceTea · 11-14-2010, 07:48 PM

It doesn't matter what he weighed, he has a JMW title now.

gocubsgo · 11-14-2010, 08:47 PM

I wound up paying for this fight and I thought it was entertaining. I Cordova vs the Cuban fight was just plain dreadful to watch but I like the Jones fight. Pac was definitely in control the whole time but at least there were punches thrown in this fight. My wife sat down to watch the Pac fight and she stayed through the whole things which is rare. I would really love to see Pac and Mayweather fight once and for all.

hamed2 · 11-14-2010, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by IceTea

It doesn't matter what he weighed, he has a JMW title now.

Exactly, he basically beat up a man weighing 165 pounds when they fought.

meade95 · 11-14-2010, 10:46 PM

I don't care that the WBC put their JMW title up for grabs..... It was NOT a JMW fight...NOT because of where Manny weighed in at (he could be 112 for all that matters) it is where Margarito was "contracted" to weigh in at. Not above 150. Therefore, as far as I see it....no way in hell can Manny make a real claim to being / beating a JMW for the JMW title....had he let Margarito weigh in at up to 154, then yep, sure enough, it would be legit.

hamed2 · 11-15-2010, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by meade95

I don't care that the WBC put their JMW title up for grabs..... It was NOT a JMW fight...NOT because of where Manny weighed in at (he could be 112 for all that matters) it is where Margarito was "contracted" to weigh in at. Not above 150. Therefore, as far as I see it....no way in hell can Manny make a real claim to being / beating a JMW for the JMW title....had he let Margarito weigh in at up to 154, then yep, sure enough, it would be legit.

But since Antonio was above 147, doesn't that make him a JMW? JMW is up to 154, if you're 148-154, that's the JMW range. At 150 he's not a WW any more.

meade95 · 11-15-2010, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by hamed2

But since Antonio was above 147, doesn't that make him a JMW? JMW is up to 154, if you're 148-154, that's the JMW range. At 150 he's not a WW any more.

True that he was above 147....but he was "contracted" to be below the 154. Which to me, means it was not a JMW fight. It was a "catch weight" fight at 150. We do not have "catch weight" champions (well, up until now). Under these type conditions we will soon have guys having 20 different titles (literally). Catchweigth of 152, of 153, of 162, of 165......

Pac beat Mar's ass....he did so at a catch weight fight....Nothing more, nothing less. But it was not a true JMW fight...... That is my take.

11-12-2010, 11:15 PM	#1
gocubsgo All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,556	Pac vs Margarito PPV Okay guys what do you think, is this one worth paying for? I really want to see a good fight that is finally worth plunking down the money. So boxing experts what do you think?

11-12-2010, 11:21 PM	#2
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,847	I think Margarito peaked too early. I'm taking Manny by UD or very late stoppage. If he wins, I doubt if he fights again. Margarito has the tools to win. He throws a mean lead uppercut which could cut Manny's movement to his right, but at the end of the day, I think Manny has too much speed and skill. Manny has to avoid allowing Margarito to walk him down and force him to the ropes. Manny can't fight on the ropes nor fight going backwards. __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/

11-13-2010, 02:53 PM	#4
Antonin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 2,553	I think it's worth paying for. Still, we won't be buying it. Too many other priorities in my household. __________________ "Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?" - Johnny Rotten (Sex Pistols), San Francisco, 14 January 1978

11-13-2010, 09:14 PM	#5
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11-13-2010, 09:28 PM	#6
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11-13-2010, 01:33 PM	#3
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	Margarito is somewhere where ODL was when Manny fought him - Not as drained, but drained nontheless.....He also has only fought once in what the past year and a half or more? He will likely be slower than his usual self, with his timing off to boot....... Manny doesn't get tagged early he likely wins this one quite easily.... Roach has done a great job at matching Manny up with guys on there way down a full step or two....but before most of the viewing public understands this.... The undercard fight should be the fight of the night.....Cordoba and the Cuban kid...

11-14-2010, 12:41 AM	#7
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	Pretty much what was expected......Good win for Pac...Margarito is a shell of himself of 3 or 4 years ago........Long, long layoff....weight cut and just out classed..... Roach knew he wanted this fight a year or so ago......once he saw how a 40 year old Mosley could make Marg look that slow... Last edited by meade95; 11-14-2010 at 12:46 AM.

11-14-2010, 02:47 AM	#8
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,847	Margarito is way post-prime and is one step above a punching bag at this point. Plus, Manny's timing is off. He should have stopped him around 9 or 10. Manny has speed at JMW, not a lot of power. If he fights again, drop back down. I still believe that Mayweather beats him. __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/

11-14-2010, 08:23 AM	#9
sepia warrior Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: United States Posts: 452	Manny did what most expected. Margarito is still a sponge as he can absorb punches and keep coming forward. I wondered whether he had the resolve to take four punches to throw one after his demolition by Mosley - he did. Manny hurt him to the body in the 4th and wobbled him in the 10th. Manny took his foot off the petal in the 12th as he knew he had the fight won and that Laurence Cole (another Arthur Mercante Jr. type referee) was not going to stop the fight as long as Margarito was standing with his hands up. When you consider that Margarito had an 18 pound advantage over Manny, I thought Manny's punches were plenty strong. I agree that Margarito is certainly post-prime. He is slower than before and, even at his best, he won because of his aggression, durability and volume punching. His durability has to be lessend some after this fight and his aggression exposes him to punishment. If he keeps fighting, he will quickly become just a stepping stone for rising stars.

11-14-2010, 02:46 PM	#11
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,847	I caught some of it. I'll watch the entire fight next Saturday. __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/

11-14-2010, 03:38 PM	#12
kenyan_cheena Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 9,037	I said back when the fight was announced that it was a joke and a farce and my belief was confirmed. Margarito had no business being in the same ring as Manny. Pacman wasn't at his best and he still won easily. Bad job by the officials not stopping it, also. Even so, it was fun watching Manny in action. Undercard wasn't too bad, either. Round two of the Jones-Karass fight was crazy. I also like Rigondeaux, although he could have put on a better show. Last edited by kenyan_cheena; 11-14-2010 at 05:26 PM.

11-14-2010, 06:56 PM	#14
kenyan_cheena Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 9,037	Even though the alphabet gang is a joke it went beyond ridiculous that they were fighting for the 154-pound title when Manny weighed in under the WW limit and Margarito at 150. This "titles in 8 different divisions" stuff is a bit silly, really. The WBC put that belt up for grabs just for the sake of the sanctioning fees. I don't get how you can say "Manny's power at 154" when he was only 144? Last edited by kenyan_cheena; 11-14-2010 at 06:59 PM.

11-14-2010, 07:48 PM	#15
IceTea Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sherrill, NY Posts: 9,847	It doesn't matter what he weighed, he has a JMW title now. __________________ Don't worry, be happy! Women's Boxing Cyber Boxing Zone Philadelphia Boxing Boxrec Ross Boxing https://boxingjones.com/

11-14-2010, 08:47 PM	#16
gocubsgo All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Illinois Posts: 1,556	I wound up paying for this fight and I thought it was entertaining. I Cordova vs the Cuban fight was just plain dreadful to watch but I like the Jones fight. Pac was definitely in control the whole time but at least there were punches thrown in this fight. My wife sat down to watch the Pac fight and she stayed through the whole things which is rare. I would really love to see Pac and Mayweather fight once and for all.

11-14-2010, 10:46 PM	#18
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	I don't care that the WBC put their JMW title up for grabs..... It was NOT a JMW fight...NOT because of where Manny weighed in at (he could be 112 for all that matters) it is where Margarito was "contracted" to weigh in at. Not above 150. Therefore, as far as I see it....no way in hell can Manny make a real claim to being / beating a JMW for the JMW title....had he let Margarito weigh in at up to 154, then yep, sure enough, it would be legit.