pbp

wiggins · 11-07-2010, 01:53 AM

Ok, I give up and can't wait or believe that there will be a new game. Is there any way to just edit the pbp. Get rid of all the garbage. I've been waiting for 5 years for someone to work on just the pbp. I don't even care about any of the new features or bells and whistles anymore. I just want to play the game without all the crap that's in the play by play. I came to the realization today that the original "Title Bout" boxed version from Avalon Hill (which I owned, and still have in the basement) is in many ways still a better version. It was much better to just see which and what kind of punches landed, how many points they were worth and make up the pbp in my own minds eye. I loved the anticipation of flipping those cards. The pbp sucks so much in this version, there is no anticipation.
I want so much to love and play this game, but every time I have a bout, I get disgusted, frustrated and bored and go back to OOTP Baseball. How can this be the same company that produces that.

Lee · 11-07-2010, 03:51 AM

It has been worked on and is an ongoing process, but Andreas has to release it. Since the code is being redone I can only guess they are not going to release anything at the present time.

In the meantime I will continue to work on the current PBP as I am able and hopefully catch everything that needs to be fixed. Just keep in mind that I am not employed by OOTP and do this on a volunteer basis, so it is done as I have free time.

I was asked to add to the existing PBP database and just started going back over the original PBP last summer, with virtually no work done from August to now due to work and Coaching which consumes 70+ hours a week between them. We are in the playoffs now, so that will hopefully continue for another 4 weeks, after which I will again begin to devote more time.

I have only reviewed about a third of the original PBP, so any updates that are released will be incremental. The goal is to be completely finished when the new game. Sorry, but that is the best answer I have right now.

Tommysixfingers · 11-07-2010, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by wiggans1

Ok, I give up and can't wait or believe that there will be a new game. Is there any way to just edit the pbp. Get rid of all the garbage. I've been waiting for 5 years for someone to work on just the pbp. I don't even care about any of the new features or bells and whistles anymore. I just want to play the game without all the crap that's in the play by play. I came to the realization today that the original "Title Bout" boxed version from Avalon Hill (which I owned, and still have in the basement) is in many ways still a better version. It was much better to just see which and what kind of punches landed, how many points they were worth and make up the pbp in my own minds eye. I loved the anticipation of flipping those cards. The pbp sucks so much in this version, there is no anticipation.
I want so much to love and play this game, but every time I have a bout, I get disgusted, frustrated and bored and go back to OOTP Baseball. How can this be the same company that produces that.

A very stupid post to say the least. TBCB has been a community project for at least a couple of years to be honest and it would look good if you could give guys like Lee (in this case) and all the other the others that has contributed to TBCB's very existence today some credit by making valid points instead of posting a rant more fitting of an 11 year old at the EA sports forum.

Lee, IceTea and all the other community members work on TBCB on spare time and without any form of compensation. Give them the respect they deserve.

wiggins · 11-07-2010, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

A very stupid post to say the least. TBCB has been a community project for at least a couple of years to be honest and it would look good if you could give guys like Lee (in this case) and all the other the others that has contributed to TBCB's very existence today some credit by making valid points instead of posting a rant more fitting of an 11 year old at the EA sports forum.

Lee, IceTea and all the other community members work on TBCB on spare time and without any form of compensation. Give them the respect they deserve.

Hey Sixfingers, first I have a right to my opinion. Second, I appreciate everything everybody does here on their own for the good of the game. I'm talking about OOTP the company. I spend a lot of money buying their games, so I have a right to complain about their products. Who are you? the great " Peoples Protector" as the previous post mentioned , work has been done on the pbp but it hasn't been released by OOTP. I'll bet Lee doesn't need me to love or validate him today. Grow up. And by the way my point was very valid.

meade95 · 11-07-2010, 05:42 PM

Lee - The PBP is just fine......of course something added here, taken away there could always be tweaked better. But as is, the PBP is fine, within the realm of what TBCB is.....All your efforts Lee are greatly appreciated.

I, likewise have played TBCB way back since I was 12-14 years old (late 80s).....I would say todays PBP is as good as it has ever been.

The only backwards step I've seen taken by this game...was when they dropped the Top-Down-View of the ring..... Where we actually had animated fighters that moved around the rign (back in TF-99). Have never understood why that was taken out.

Antonin · 11-07-2010, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommysixfingers

A very stupid post to say the least.

An unfortunate choice of words.

wiggins · 11-07-2010, 08:39 PM

Gentlemen,
Maybe I'm missing something. Have I not downloaded something I should have? In my pbp I constantly get phrases like "Johnson is in a world of hurt" "He's in big trouble" stuff like that when a 4 point punch has landed and the boxer in a "world of hurt" immediately follows up with a good left hook of his own. It almost always exaggerates the severity of a thrown punch and it's ramifications. The other innocuous stuff that never seems to match the situation. "Boy, the crowd is really into tonight" when there is nothing going on in the round. or the "The corner really pumped him up between rounds" when he's getting his butt kicked in that round The fact that I don't know half the time what punches were thrown in a two punch or three punch combination. So, what have I not downloaded and where is it? Please help me. I'm not trying to be an idiot here. This is after all a TEXT BASED Sim. For those of us who actually box out every fight the pbp is very important. It is a major part of the immersion factor which after all is why many of us play these games. The fact that the boxers punches on the screen don't ever match up with what is being thrown is frustrating. I also liked the top down version better, even though it didn't show any real punching, at least you got an idea where the boxers were in the ring. Again, this is not a shot at the volunteers who have kept the game alive. THANK YOU! So, please tell me what I've missed, so I can get on board.

wiggins · 11-07-2010, 09:13 PM

Lee, Good luck in the playoffs!!

reinaldo · 11-08-2010, 02:38 AM

I certainly don't mean to insult anybody, but I agree that the pbp could be a lot better. Comments like "He's been watching too much wrestling" or "early in a fight you have to wonder but later on it allows him to catch a breather" just make the commentary too wordy. In a simulation of this type the descriptions should be brief and to the point. Every time a fighter has to let the ring doctor examine his cut I have to read a page and a half about how he dabs the wound and talks to the ref and the ref tells the fighters where to stand and blah blah blah. It could be easily corrected with "The doctor examines the wound and allows the fight to go on." or "the doctor examines the wound and stops the fight". Keep things brief and simple. That said, this is still the best and most realistic depiction of boxing I've ever enjoyed.

60sfan · 11-08-2010, 09:39 AM

I prefer a more spare PBP that focuses on results, like "Marciano connects with a hard right".

I don't care for "color" commentary in real life and I feel it adds nothing to the PBP. In fact it detracts from the tension of the contest by breaking the flow of the commentary.

Lee · 11-08-2010, 12:18 PM

This is good feedback for updates. The current goal was to cater to those who like both brief descriptions and those who like expanded "color" commentary.

It seems like there are some that still like some color in the commentary, but more that prefer a more concise, to the point description.

I will make the focus to cut down on the length of the commentary as i go through it, but will leave enough of the expanded decriptions to hopefully keep it from getting repetitive.

I do agree that some of the cut/injury commentary needs to be condensed a bit, as does some of the descriptions when a fighter is hurt.

One thing I can not change is alter the descriptions of 4 pt punches vs 5. These are one category and to seperate them would require a programming change, shich i can not do and is probably not a priority. Just throwing that out there up front.

Thanks guys.

wiggins · 11-08-2010, 02:21 PM

Lee this is not to you specifically, if they are recoding the game and are really going to offer a new one down the road, the punch combos should always explain what punches were thrown. Think of it as a radio broadcast. Could you imagine a broadcaster saying "Thomas just got hit with a three punch combo" and not tell you what the punches were? For the work that you can do In my opinion unless you can tie the color commentary to a specific in-fight situation as it is happening, it is meaningless and distracting. Only tell me a "guy is in a world of hurt" when he is hit with 6 point punch or combo and it actually has an effect at that moment on his physical condition. Just tell me what kind of punch was thrown, If there was a warning or foul, a cut, or an injury. Otherwise let's let our imaginations provide the color. I have a specific question? Is there pbp commentary that you have changed that is not in the v2.5? If so where can I find it? Thanks.

Lee · 11-08-2010, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by wiggans1

Lee this is not to you specifically, if they are recoding the game and are really going to offer a new one down the road, the punch combos should always explain what punches were thrown. Think of it as a radio broadcast. Could you imagine a broadcaster saying "Thomas just got hit with a three punch combo" and not tell you what the punches were? For the work that you can do In my opinion unless you can tie the color commentary to a specific in-fight situation as it is happening, it is meaningless and distracting. Only tell me a "guy is in a world of hurt" when he is hit with 6 point punch or combo and it actually has an effect at that moment on his physical condition. Just tell me what kind of punch was thrown, If there was a warning or foul, a cut, or an injury. Otherwise let's let our imaginations provide the color. I have a specific question? Is there pbp commentary that you have changed that is not in the v2.5? If so where can I find it? Thanks.

There have been changes, but it has to be uploaded. I can add some wording to the combination punching that meets this request, I.E "Dempsey nails Tunney with a hard cross and an uppercut"
or
"Ali lands a double jab followed by a quick cross"

That is no problem

The commentary however is not tied to the point value of the punches and there is commentary for when a fighter is stunned or hurt, but again it encompasses 4 and 5 point shots. So, since killer instinct only kicks in with 5 point shots, you will continue to see a description of "Hearns is in a world of hurt" when he could take 7 or 8 more unanswered shots or land punch of his own immediately.

wiggins · 11-08-2010, 08:47 PM

Thanks that would be great! Again in my humble opinion only, all the other flowery stuff about the crowd, the corner, the " looks like these guys..." Stuff, takes away from the game. If "His corner really got into him last round" came after he had a dominating 1 minute, that would make sense. Otherwise it just takes away the flow of the bout. Let's all use our imaginations a little. It's hard anyway to keep that stuff fresh, let alone relevant.

11-07-2010, 01:53 AM	#1
wiggins All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 892	pbp Ok, I give up and can't wait or believe that there will be a new game. Is there any way to just edit the pbp. Get rid of all the garbage. I've been waiting for 5 years for someone to work on just the pbp. I don't even care about any of the new features or bells and whistles anymore. I just want to play the game without all the crap that's in the play by play. I came to the realization today that the original "Title Bout" boxed version from Avalon Hill (which I owned, and still have in the basement) is in many ways still a better version. It was much better to just see which and what kind of punches landed, how many points they were worth and make up the pbp in my own minds eye. I loved the anticipation of flipping those cards. The pbp sucks so much in this version, there is no anticipation. I want so much to love and play this game, but every time I have a bout, I get disgusted, frustrated and bored and go back to OOTP Baseball. How can this be the same company that produces that.

11-07-2010, 03:51 AM	#2
Lee Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Scorched Desert Posts: 4,652	It has been worked on and is an ongoing process, but Andreas has to release it. Since the code is being redone I can only guess they are not going to release anything at the present time. In the meantime I will continue to work on the current PBP as I am able and hopefully catch everything that needs to be fixed. Just keep in mind that I am not employed by OOTP and do this on a volunteer basis, so it is done as I have free time. I was asked to add to the existing PBP database and just started going back over the original PBP last summer, with virtually no work done from August to now due to work and Coaching which consumes 70+ hours a week between them. We are in the playoffs now, so that will hopefully continue for another 4 weeks, after which I will again begin to devote more time. I have only reviewed about a third of the original PBP, so any updates that are released will be incremental. The goal is to be completely finished when the new game. Sorry, but that is the best answer I have right now.

11-07-2010, 05:42 PM	#5
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	Lee - The PBP is just fine......of course something added here, taken away there could always be tweaked better. But as is, the PBP is fine, within the realm of what TBCB is.....All your efforts Lee are greatly appreciated. I, likewise have played TBCB way back since I was 12-14 years old (late 80s).....I would say todays PBP is as good as it has ever been. The only backwards step I've seen taken by this game...was when they dropped the Top-Down-View of the ring..... Where we actually had animated fighters that moved around the rign (back in TF-99). Have never understood why that was taken out.

11-07-2010, 08:39 PM	#7
wiggins All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 892	Gentlemen, Maybe I'm missing something. Have I not downloaded something I should have? In my pbp I constantly get phrases like "Johnson is in a world of hurt" "He's in big trouble" stuff like that when a 4 point punch has landed and the boxer in a "world of hurt" immediately follows up with a good left hook of his own. It almost always exaggerates the severity of a thrown punch and it's ramifications. The other innocuous stuff that never seems to match the situation. "Boy, the crowd is really into tonight" when there is nothing going on in the round. or the "The corner really pumped him up between rounds" when he's getting his butt kicked in that round The fact that I don't know half the time what punches were thrown in a two punch or three punch combination. So, what have I not downloaded and where is it? Please help me. I'm not trying to be an idiot here. This is after all a TEXT BASED Sim. For those of us who actually box out every fight the pbp is very important. It is a major part of the immersion factor which after all is why many of us play these games. The fact that the boxers punches on the screen don't ever match up with what is being thrown is frustrating. I also liked the top down version better, even though it didn't show any real punching, at least you got an idea where the boxers were in the ring. Again, this is not a shot at the volunteers who have kept the game alive. THANK YOU! So, please tell me what I've missed, so I can get on board.

11-07-2010, 09:13 PM	#8
wiggins All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 892	Lee, Good luck in the playoffs!!

11-08-2010, 02:38 AM	#9
reinaldo Bat Boy Join Date: May 2007 Location: New York Posts: 8	I certainly don't mean to insult anybody, but I agree that the pbp could be a lot better. Comments like "He's been watching too much wrestling" or "early in a fight you have to wonder but later on it allows him to catch a breather" just make the commentary too wordy. In a simulation of this type the descriptions should be brief and to the point. Every time a fighter has to let the ring doctor examine his cut I have to read a page and a half about how he dabs the wound and talks to the ref and the ref tells the fighters where to stand and blah blah blah. It could be easily corrected with "The doctor examines the wound and allows the fight to go on." or "the doctor examines the wound and stops the fight". Keep things brief and simple. That said, this is still the best and most realistic depiction of boxing I've ever enjoyed.

11-08-2010, 09:39 AM	#10
60sfan Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 31	I prefer a more spare PBP that focuses on results, like "Marciano connects with a hard right". I don't care for "color" commentary in real life and I feel it adds nothing to the PBP. In fact it detracts from the tension of the contest by breaking the flow of the commentary.

11-08-2010, 12:18 PM	#11
Lee Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Scorched Desert Posts: 4,652	This is good feedback for updates. The current goal was to cater to those who like both brief descriptions and those who like expanded "color" commentary. It seems like there are some that still like some color in the commentary, but more that prefer a more concise, to the point description. I will make the focus to cut down on the length of the commentary as i go through it, but will leave enough of the expanded decriptions to hopefully keep it from getting repetitive. I do agree that some of the cut/injury commentary needs to be condensed a bit, as does some of the descriptions when a fighter is hurt. One thing I can not change is alter the descriptions of 4 pt punches vs 5. These are one category and to seperate them would require a programming change, shich i can not do and is probably not a priority. Just throwing that out there up front. Thanks guys.

11-08-2010, 02:21 PM	#12
wiggins All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 892	Lee this is not to you specifically, if they are recoding the game and are really going to offer a new one down the road, the punch combos should always explain what punches were thrown. Think of it as a radio broadcast. Could you imagine a broadcaster saying "Thomas just got hit with a three punch combo" and not tell you what the punches were? For the work that you can do In my opinion unless you can tie the color commentary to a specific in-fight situation as it is happening, it is meaningless and distracting. Only tell me a "guy is in a world of hurt" when he is hit with 6 point punch or combo and it actually has an effect at that moment on his physical condition. Just tell me what kind of punch was thrown, If there was a warning or foul, a cut, or an injury. Otherwise let's let our imaginations provide the color. I have a specific question? Is there pbp commentary that you have changed that is not in the v2.5? If so where can I find it? Thanks.

11-08-2010, 08:47 PM	#14
wiggins All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 892	Thanks that would be great! Again in my humble opinion only, all the other flowery stuff about the crowd, the corner, the " looks like these guys..." Stuff, takes away from the game. If "His corner really got into him last round" came after he had a dominating 1 minute, that would make sense. Otherwise it just takes away the flow of the bout. Let's all use our imaginations a little. It's hard anyway to keep that stuff fresh, let alone relevant.