Player with no position ratings?

MizzouRah · 08-29-2010, 07:13 PM

Alex Gordon in my league plays 3B for a CPU team, but when I look at his profile, he has no fielding positions listed.

His defensive ratings are there, but that's it. Has anyone seen this before?

StyxNCa · 08-29-2010, 07:20 PM

First time I've seen that. I wonder if he has ever played a position or been a DH all along.

MizzouRah · 08-29-2010, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by StyxNCa

First time I've seen that. I wonder if he has ever played a position or been a DH all along.

He is the starting 3B.

Marinersfan51 · 08-30-2010, 02:02 AM

I have seen this for players with such bad fielding ratings that they have a rating of zero, i.e. Miguel Tejada in 2013 experience at 3rd and short but ratings of zero. I have also seen this for other players with normal fielding ratings, I think it is a bug.

Mitch McQuick · 08-30-2010, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by MizzouRah

Alex Gordon in my league plays 3B for a CPU team, but when I look at his profile, he has no fielding positions listed.

His defensive ratings are there, but that's it. Has anyone seen this before?

I saw this once previously with a MLB player earlier in my ongoing 2010 season simulation with OOTP11. I noticed when I selected a different choice from the Ratings Scouted by: pulldown menu, the player was rated at positions by the other scouting services. I tried monkeying around with the Fielding Experience datafields at the bottom right of the Editor tab (your screenshot has no Editor tab?) trying to force a fielding rating, but I don't think I ever got it to show up. Truth be told it was Pirate (and a reserve player), so I didn't sweat it beyond that. Eventually though as the season wore on the positional fielding ratings did re-appear (and not at the minimum possible values, either). I noticed the same problem with a few minor leaguers later in the season. I successfully got fielding ratings to appear for those players by forcing a re-scouting of all players (incl positional ratings) via adjustment of the accuracy of scouting in the League Options & Rules >> Global Setup settings. If you have the Use Complete Scouting System box checked, simply raise or lower your scouting accuracy, then switch it back if you wish (either immediately or after closing and reopening the program, I can't remember exactly how I did it). Give that a go and see if the positional ratings show up. This probably works best when you have current and past season fielding stats associated with the player. Certainly someone who knows the game better than I may have a simpler strategy for getting the positional fielding ratings to reappear (perhaps by manually editing database or text files).

Bristolduke · 08-30-2010, 06:45 AM

I would report this as a bug. I have seen it lots of times, but usually with cup of coffee type guys or DHs. Their defensive ratings get so low the game won't assign them ratings. YOu have to be in commish mode to see the editor's tab Mitch refers to. I usually start to bump the ratings rather than the experience.

However, in this case Gordon has more than adequate defensive ratings. It may be an experience issue, but in either case it looks like a bug, because his defensive ratings are strong enough to get positional ratings, even with that 2 on turn DP (I am assuming this is a 1-20 scale).

MizzouRah · 08-30-2010, 10:55 AM

Thanks guys.. I didn't think to change to the OSA ratings, I'll try that tonight when I get home.

I think I'll also report it as a bug too.

Yes, this is a 1-20 scale.

I would think he would at least be a "1"?

hefalumps · 08-30-2010, 12:52 PM

I've seen position ratings "disappear" as players get older. One of my guys used to be "eligible" at all three OF positions, but had a lowish rating in CF. This year when I went to put him in as a sub in CF, I noticed he no longer had any rating at all in CF. I don't play in commish mode so I haven't checked the Player Editor to see what his true CF rating is, but it's probably just gone down so low that it doesn't get reported.

I've seen a number of older players lose all their position ratings as they approach 40-years old. I assumed this was the scout's way of telling me that he doesn't think the guy can play that position anymore.

All that being said, I guy at Alex Gordon's age *should* have some position ratings, I would think. Was this a league you created or a MLB quick-start with the game rosters? Maybe Gordon just wasn't imported properly.

kingcharlesxii · 08-30-2010, 01:03 PM

As others have said, I think it is a lack of experience at the position. If he keeps playing at 3rd, he should get a rating there eventually. I think he has the necessary minimum ratings for the position.

MizzouRah · 08-30-2010, 02:56 PM

MLB quick start.. I was also thinking something was messed up when he was imported into the game.

Wonder if anyone else who used the release day MLB quickstart could look to see if Gordon has fielding ratings?

esovia23 · 08-30-2010, 03:08 PM

Ive seen this before in a fictional league. He was a young player so I figured he just didn't have enough experience to get a position rating.

Marinersfan51 · 08-30-2010, 03:20 PM

What I was trying to say was that I have seen this before where there is no position rating but in the editor there is a rating at the position. The game plays with the editors fielding rating and his end of year fielding stats will be normal. Gordon is rated as 11 on a 1-20 scale.

Biggio509 · 08-30-2010, 03:20 PM

With that infield error rating he may never get a rating at 3B. Looking at the base ratings (IR, IA, IE, and TDP) I would think he would only get some ratings at 1B if anything. I have seen this with players out of the draft who have no ratings. Usually it is because of lack of experience. With this guy's base stats I do not think even at max experience he will have a 3B rating. He might get a small 1B rating if was played there. I think the AI chose 3B solely on the arm.

Have created a commissionaire and seen his experience rating. You can play around with that and see if he has a chance at a rating at 3B then reset it to what it was before. I think if you gave some 1B experience the AI would move him there and he would eventually get a low 1B rating.

Orcin · 08-30-2010, 03:24 PM

In my historical league playing the 1965 Astros, Jimmy Wynn has no rating at any position per my scout. OSA rates him at 56 in CF. His primary position is CF and his fielding ratings as an outfielder are decent except errors is pretty low at 17. It is early in my first season and he has only been rated by my scout twice (Jan. 1 and opening day Apr. 12).

Crosley Field · 08-30-2010, 04:58 PM

Yes, I've seen this several times in my Fictional leagues. Not just with inexperienced players, but with veterans with good defensive ratings. I just shrug it off as another frustrating OOTP bug.

BMW · 08-30-2010, 05:34 PM

Players need these minimum ratings to have a displayed rating at that position:

https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?...en&output=html

I never really considered it a bug, since the player can still play the position. It's more that the player's overall skillset is not (or no longer) suited to playing some positions and this is the Interfaces way of warning you. Players change and the game is telling you that this guy is suitable for playing 1B, not 3B, 2B or SS.

Nutlaw · 08-30-2010, 05:45 PM

Yeah, his turn double play rating dropped too low, clearly. If you don't like how he was set, just edit that rating to be a tiny bit higher and he'll be rated at 3B again.

MizzouRah · 08-30-2010, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Nutlaw

Yeah, his turn double play rating dropped too low, clearly. If you don't like how he was set, just edit that rating to be a tiny bit higher and he'll be rated at 3B again.

Thanks.. the OSA rates his DP at 5 and his fielding rating is a 12 at 3B.

Guess that was it.. never seen that before.

08-29-2010, 07:13 PM	#1
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,252	Player with no position ratings? Alex Gordon in my league plays 3B for a CPU team, but when I look at his profile, he has no fielding positions listed. His defensive ratings are there, but that's it. Has anyone seen this before?

08-30-2010, 06:45 AM	#6
Bristolduke All Star Starter Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,414	I would report this as a bug. I have seen it lots of times, but usually with cup of coffee type guys or DHs. Their defensive ratings get so low the game won't assign them ratings. YOu have to be in commish mode to see the editor's tab Mitch refers to. I usually start to bump the ratings rather than the experience. However, in this case Gordon has more than adequate defensive ratings. It may be an experience issue, but in either case it looks like a bug, because his defensive ratings are strong enough to get positional ratings, even with that 2 on turn DP (I am assuming this is a 1-20 scale). __________________ Commish of the Home Nations Baseball Association Commish of the Baseball Association League Commish of the League of WAR Commish of the On-Line Dynasty League SIMBL2 - Westbury Cannons Great Lakes Baseball - Toledo Neptunes World Baseball - Guantanamo Marines OMLB - Cincinnati Reds

08-30-2010, 05:34 PM	#16
BMW Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,030	Players need these minimum ratings to have a displayed rating at that position: https://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?...en&output=html I never really considered it a bug, since the player can still play the position. It's more that the player's overall skillset is not (or no longer) suited to playing some positions and this is the Interfaces way of warning you. Players change and the game is telling you that this guy is suitable for playing 1B, not 3B, 2B or SS. __________________ Last edited by BMW; 08-30-2010 at 05:39 PM.

08-30-2010, 05:45 PM	#17
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Yeah, his turn double play rating dropped too low, clearly. If you don't like how he was set, just edit that rating to be a tiny bit higher and he'll be rated at 3B again. Last edited by Nutlaw; 08-30-2010 at 05:46 PM.

08-29-2010, 07:20 PM	#2
StyxNCa Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 3,136	First time I've seen that. I wonder if he has ever played a position or been a DH all along.

08-30-2010, 02:02 AM	#4
Marinersfan51 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 776	I have seen this for players with such bad fielding ratings that they have a rating of zero, i.e. Miguel Tejada in 2013 experience at 3rd and short but ratings of zero. I have also seen this for other players with normal fielding ratings, I think it is a bug.

08-30-2010, 10:55 AM	#7
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,252	Thanks guys.. I didn't think to change to the OSA ratings, I'll try that tonight when I get home. I think I'll also report it as a bug too. Yes, this is a 1-20 scale. I would think he would at least be a "1"?

08-30-2010, 12:52 PM	#8
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,371	I've seen position ratings "disappear" as players get older. One of my guys used to be "eligible" at all three OF positions, but had a lowish rating in CF. This year when I went to put him in as a sub in CF, I noticed he no longer had any rating at all in CF. I don't play in commish mode so I haven't checked the Player Editor to see what his true CF rating is, but it's probably just gone down so low that it doesn't get reported. I've seen a number of older players lose all their position ratings as they approach 40-years old. I assumed this was the scout's way of telling me that he doesn't think the guy can play that position anymore. All that being said, I guy at Alex Gordon's age should have some position ratings, I would think. Was this a league you created or a MLB quick-start with the game rosters? Maybe Gordon just wasn't imported properly.

08-30-2010, 01:03 PM	#9
kingcharlesxii Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 2,730	As others have said, I think it is a lack of experience at the position. If he keeps playing at 3rd, he should get a rating there eventually. I think he has the necessary minimum ratings for the position.

08-30-2010, 02:56 PM	#10
MizzouRah Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Troy, Mo Posts: 6,252	MLB quick start.. I was also thinking something was messed up when he was imported into the game. Wonder if anyone else who used the release day MLB quickstart could look to see if Gordon has fielding ratings?

08-30-2010, 03:08 PM	#11
esovia23 Banned Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 154 Infractions: 0/1 (4)	Ive seen this before in a fictional league. He was a young player so I figured he just didn't have enough experience to get a position rating.

08-30-2010, 03:20 PM	#12
Marinersfan51 All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 776	What I was trying to say was that I have seen this before where there is no position rating but in the editor there is a rating at the position. The game plays with the editors fielding rating and his end of year fielding stats will be normal. Gordon is rated as 11 on a 1-20 scale.

08-30-2010, 03:20 PM	#13
Biggio509 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,027	With that infield error rating he may never get a rating at 3B. Looking at the base ratings (IR, IA, IE, and TDP) I would think he would only get some ratings at 1B if anything. I have seen this with players out of the draft who have no ratings. Usually it is because of lack of experience. With this guy's base stats I do not think even at max experience he will have a 3B rating. He might get a small 1B rating if was played there. I think the AI chose 3B solely on the arm. Have created a commissionaire and seen his experience rating. You can play around with that and see if he has a chance at a rating at 3B then reset it to what it was before. I think if you gave some 1B experience the AI would move him there and he would eventually get a low 1B rating.

08-30-2010, 03:24 PM	#14
Orcin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2010 Location: Indiana Posts: 9,847 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	In my historical league playing the 1965 Astros, Jimmy Wynn has no rating at any position per my scout. OSA rates him at 56 in CF. His primary position is CF and his fielding ratings as an outfielder are decent except errors is pretty low at 17. It is early in my first season and he has only been rated by my scout twice (Jan. 1 and opening day Apr. 12).

08-30-2010, 04:58 PM	#15
Crosley Field Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Findlay St. & Western Ave. Posts: 90	Yes, I've seen this several times in my Fictional leagues. Not just with inexperienced players, but with veterans with good defensive ratings. I just shrug it off as another frustrating OOTP bug.