is it possible to win an argument with an ump in OOTP4?

GoNzOTW · 01-02-2003, 07:29 PM

I used to argue, but then kinda realised that the manager never wins in baseball. Can you actually have a call reversed by arguing it in game?

SoxWin · 01-02-2003, 08:08 PM

no

Rich

twins15 · 01-02-2003, 09:58 PM

Then what is the point in arguing? Does it make him make a different call on the next close play?

akw4572 · 01-02-2003, 10:13 PM

that's a good question, i have always wondered that. It's a great feature to take some frustration out with though........i thought maybe it affected players by making them play harder for you as a manager or something.

JWay · 01-02-2003, 10:22 PM

I feels like the calls go you way if you dont get tossed, so its like winning. Or im just making it up from my own mind. I dunno, Markus?

Draft Dodger · 01-02-2003, 10:44 PM

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Originally posted by JWay
I feels like the calls go you way if you dont get tossed, so its like winning. Or im just making it up from my own mind. I dunno, Markus?

I think you should just stick to "LOL".

and no, I have no idea why the argue option is there if all it does is give you a chance at getting tossed.

MTXperience · 01-02-2003, 10:54 PM

It's a great way of getting out of a game your losing horribly.

JWay · 01-02-2003, 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by Draft Dodger
I think you should just stick to "LOL".

why I can say smart things... once in a while.

Draft Dodger · 01-02-2003, 11:39 PM

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Originally posted by JWay
why I can say smart things... once in a while.

I dunno I read that post you wrote like a whole bunch of times and all that stuffs and I still don't have a clue what on earth you wuz saying, boyee.

fantom1979 · 01-03-2003, 12:53 AM

I dont think there is really a point to arguing close calls. I think most people dont even bother anymore.

Tekneek · 01-03-2003, 05:41 AM

When is the last time you watched a manager in MLB come out and win an argument with an ump?

fantom1979 · 01-03-2003, 05:58 AM

Don Zimmer did it with the Cubs once. He was so mad, he got kicked out of the game anyways, but he did win the argument.

GoNzOTW · 01-03-2003, 06:53 AM

Good old Don Zimmer.

dsvitak · 01-03-2003, 06:50 PM

George Brett and the pine tar bat....the opposing manager came out and argued his case, and the ump said......hmmmm.......yup, and pointed to George in the dugout and said "YER OUT!"

At which point George came unglued, and it was fun as hell.

Tekneek · 01-03-2003, 07:13 PM

It happens so rarely, though, while managers probably argue, throughout all of MLB, quite a lot per season. Almost never does it change the outcome of what they are arguing about. Somehow, that doesn't stop them from trying it though, does it?

fantom1979 · 01-03-2003, 07:21 PM

I just wonder if arguing has any effect on your team. If arguing fired up your team, or sunk them (because they just lost a tough call), then that would be pretty cool. But as far as I can tell, there is no effect in game.

blubbla · 01-04-2003, 02:36 AM

I use the arguing a little differently. I like to argue and get booted because I can get a different perspective. I like to play the best average hitters most of the time, and when it comes to PH, I use the best available AVG vs. whoever's on the mound. When I've been tossed 3 times in a season, I consider myself suspended for the next game (and one game after each subsequent ejection). Hopefully, the computer uses other players, and they can play themselves into more PT when I run the splits. There's usually at least one player a season that makes me change my attitude toward his PT when the CPU is in charge.

01-02-2003, 07:29 PM	#1
GoNzOTW Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Algonquin, IL Posts: 23	is it possible to win an argument with an ump in OOTP4? I used to argue, but then kinda realised that the manager never wins in baseball. Can you actually have a call reversed by arguing it in game?

01-02-2003, 08:08 PM	#2
SoxWin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Blissful ignorance Posts: 3,315	no Rich __________________ It's called partying. When you do a lot of it, you're bound to be places where the police show up. I smoke a lot of pot and drink a lot of beer. I also graduated Suma Cum Laude. ****ing sue me. - Luis Rivera

01-02-2003, 09:58 PM	#3
twins15 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Area 51 Posts: 4,792	Then what is the point in arguing? Does it make him make a different call on the next close play? __________________ "Ah man we're just hungry man" - Dovonte Edwards Bismarck Boy Scouts of the OTBL - league yes-man Ross Gload at baseball-reference.com Book Quotes and Book Lists

01-03-2003, 12:53 AM	#10
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	I dont think there is really a point to arguing close calls. I think most people dont even bother anymore. __________________

01-03-2003, 05:58 AM	#12
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	Don Zimmer did it with the Cubs once. He was so mad, he got kicked out of the game anyways, but he did win the argument. __________________

01-02-2003, 10:13 PM	#4
akw4572 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,601	that's a good question, i have always wondered that. It's a great feature to take some frustration out with though........i thought maybe it affected players by making them play harder for you as a manager or something.

01-02-2003, 10:22 PM	#5
JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,031	I feels like the calls go you way if you dont get tossed, so its like winning. Or im just making it up from my own mind. I dunno, Markus?

01-02-2003, 10:54 PM	#7
MTXperience Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 372	It's a great way of getting out of a game your losing horribly.

01-03-2003, 05:41 AM	#11
Tekneek Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: GA, USA Posts: 455	When is the last time you watched a manager in MLB come out and win an argument with an ump?

01-03-2003, 06:53 AM	#13
GoNzOTW Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Algonquin, IL Posts: 23	Good old Don Zimmer.

01-03-2003, 06:50 PM	#14
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,392	Yes, it has happened! George Brett and the pine tar bat....the opposing manager came out and argued his case, and the ump said......hmmmm.......yup, and pointed to George in the dugout and said "YER OUT!" At which point George came unglued, and it was fun as hell.

01-03-2003, 07:13 PM	#15
Tekneek Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: GA, USA Posts: 455	It happens so rarely, though, while managers probably argue, throughout all of MLB, quite a lot per season. Almost never does it change the outcome of what they are arguing about. Somehow, that doesn't stop them from trying it though, does it?

01-03-2003, 07:21 PM	#16
fantom1979 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Detroit, MI Posts: 3,498	I just wonder if arguing has any effect on your team. If arguing fired up your team, or sunk them (because they just lost a tough call), then that would be pretty cool. But as far as I can tell, there is no effect in game. __________________

01-04-2003, 02:36 AM	#17
blubbla Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Herscher, IL Posts: 2,458	I use the arguing a little differently. I like to argue and get booted because I can get a different perspective. I like to play the best average hitters most of the time, and when it comes to PH, I use the best available AVG vs. whoever's on the mound. When I've been tossed 3 times in a season, I consider myself suspended for the next game (and one game after each subsequent ejection). Hopefully, the computer uses other players, and they can play themselves into more PT when I run the splits. There's usually at least one player a season that makes me change my attitude toward his PT when the CPU is in charge.