Outs without putouts?

bailey · 06-06-2010, 12:26 PM

Just wondering if a team can ever get an out without recording a putout.
Batted ball hitting a runner, maybe? On my team's history page, i added the putouts expecting to see exactly 3 times the number of innings pitched, (1400.1 IP = 4201 PO) but I found OOTP was short on putouts by as few as 1 and as many as 6. The innings played at each position was the same as IP, so I know no players got dropped. As a control I compared this to real stats on BRef and PO did equal IP*3.

Fullgatsu · 06-06-2010, 12:37 PM

Runners can be called out for some things like running to third instead of first, stepping out of the batters box to hit a ball. Don't know if OOTP has such things in it but it would be interesting to see if some has more input on this.

Afino · 06-06-2010, 01:06 PM

I know that runners being hit by batted balls (between 1st and 2nd) are in OOTP. Maybe that has something to do with it?

Cryomaniac · 06-06-2010, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Fullgatsu

Runners can be called out for some things like running to third instead of first...

Has this ever happened?

Fullgatsu · 06-06-2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

Has this ever happened?

I suppose it happend sometime so a rule for it was deemed to be needed, but except for plain unknowing of the rules it shouldn't happen, one could do it to make a mockery of a situation but other then that it eould serve little purpose. Since this is a super rare event OOTP probably don't have it and batted balls hitting runners seems like a more possible scenario.

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Can't a player be called out if he hits a homerun but fails to tuoch any base?

Left-handed Badger · 06-06-2010, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Afino

I know that runners being hit by batted balls (between 1st and 2nd) are in OOTP. Maybe that has something to do with it?

SHouldnt matter, I am pretty certain that the nearest player gets credit for the Putout in such a situation.

Cryomaniac · 06-06-2010, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Fullgatsu

Can't a player be called out if he hits a homerun but fails to tuoch any base?

Yes.

onnel · 06-07-2010, 02:03 AM

I had a player (the SP on the other team) called out for failing to touch 1B when he doubled...not sure if there was a putout rewarded.

numbuh48 · 06-07-2010, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by onnel

I had a player (the SP on the other team) called out for failing to touch 1B when he doubled...not sure if there was a putout rewarded.

Yes, there was.

Curtis · 06-09-2010, 02:15 AM

There are other possibilities. Three of them are: A runner out for passing another on the basepaths; a runner out for being assisted to advance by a manager or coach (or another player?); and, related to Fulgatsu's, a runner out for 'advancing' in a retrograde manner.

That last one was put in to outlaw a tactic used briefly (one game) in the teens or twenties when, with runners on first and third, the runner on first stole second, then first again, then second again. This was done to confuse the pitcher into a balk, or alternatively distract him to the point where the runner on third could steal home. Yes, the trailing runner was credited with three stolen bases.

EDIT: Note that in the 'old days' it wasn't unusual for there to be more than three putouts per inning, since players making it to first on dropped third strikes was a normal occurrence.

fintach · 06-09-2010, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Curtis

Note that in the 'old days' it wasn't unusual for there to be more than three putouts per inning, since players making it to first on dropped third strikes was a normal occurrence.

Who got the putout then? I had the impression that the putout on most strikeouts goes to the catcher, so when the batter reaches first safely on the strikeout there would be no putout to give the catcher (nor the first baseman, as their would be if the catcher threw him out at first).

Curtis · 06-10-2010, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by fintach

Who got the putout then? I had the impression that the putout on most strikeouts goes to the catcher, so when the batter reaches first safely on the strikeout there would be no putout to give the catcher (nor the first baseman, as their would be if the catcher threw him out at first).

Well, then that might qualify as an 'out without putout'. I know that pitchers still get credit for the K, and some have gotten four strikeouts in an inning.

06-06-2010, 12:26 PM	#1
bailey Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 3,420	Outs without putouts? Just wondering if a team can ever get an out without recording a putout. Batted ball hitting a runner, maybe? On my team's history page, i added the putouts expecting to see exactly 3 times the number of innings pitched, (1400.1 IP = 4201 PO) but I found OOTP was short on putouts by as few as 1 and as many as 6. The innings played at each position was the same as IP, so I know no players got dropped. As a control I compared this to real stats on BRef and PO did equal IP*3.

06-06-2010, 01:06 PM	#3
Afino Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 3,827	I know that runners being hit by batted balls (between 1st and 2nd) are in OOTP. Maybe that has something to do with it? __________________ GUBA: Moscow Enforcers

06-09-2010, 02:15 AM	#10
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,567	There are other possibilities. Three of them are: A runner out for passing another on the basepaths; a runner out for being assisted to advance by a manager or coach (or another player?); and, related to Fulgatsu's, a runner out for 'advancing' in a retrograde manner. That last one was put in to outlaw a tactic used briefly (one game) in the teens or twenties when, with runners on first and third, the runner on first stole second, then first again, then second again. This was done to confuse the pitcher into a balk, or alternatively distract him to the point where the runner on third could steal home. Yes, the trailing runner was credited with three stolen bases. EDIT: Note that in the 'old days' it wasn't unusual for there to be more than three putouts per inning, since players making it to first on dropped third strikes was a normal occurrence. Last edited by Curtis; 06-09-2010 at 02:18 AM.

06-06-2010, 12:37 PM	#2
Fullgatsu Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Sweden Posts: 65	Runners can be called out for some things like running to third instead of first, stepping out of the batters box to hit a ball. Don't know if OOTP has such things in it but it would be interesting to see if some has more input on this.

06-07-2010, 02:03 AM	#8
onnel Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 212	I had a player (the SP on the other team) called out for failing to touch 1B when he doubled...not sure if there was a putout rewarded.