Do these plays have different outcomes?

markprior22 · 05-03-2010, 08:51 AM

Just curious...

1) Grounder to first. 1B steps on the bag and throws to second. Is the runner going to second ever called out? I've played out about 70 games and the call is always safe. Even in 70+ games this play doesn't come up too often so I realize my sample size is limited.

2) WP/PB...is the baserunner ever out at home? I know this is a very rare play. Not criticizing...just curious if anyone has seen an out call in this situation.

Screenshots of either example would be nice.

RchW · 05-03-2010, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by markprior22

Just curious...

1) Grounder to first. 1B steps on the bag and throws to second. Is the runner going to second ever called out? I've played out about 70 games and the call is always safe. Even in 70+ games this play doesn't come up too often so I realize my sample size is limited.

2) WP/PB...is the baserunner ever out at home? I know this is a very rare play. Not criticizing...just curious if anyone has seen an out call in this situation.

Screenshots of either example would be nice.

For 1 yes. In vX I'm sure. The PbP mentioned the tag at second.

for 2 I don't remember. I haven't played enough v11 to see either play.

Cryomaniac · 05-03-2010, 09:07 AM

I don't think 2 was in OOTP X, dunno about 11.

Doc_Brown · 05-03-2010, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by markprior22

Just curious...

1) Grounder to first. 1B steps on the bag and throws to second. Is the runner going to second ever called out? I've played out about 70 games and the call is always safe. Even in 70+ games this play doesn't come up too often so I realize my sample size is limited.

2) WP/PB...is the baserunner ever out at home? I know this is a very rare play. Not criticizing...just curious if anyone has seen an out call in this situation.

Screenshots of either example would be nice.

1) I've had a few runners, (mine and the AI's) thrown out at 2nd from a grounder.

2) Everytime it happens it always seems to end in a run in the games I've played.

GEP · 05-03-2010, 06:22 PM

I've never seen #2 not end in a run -- and I play out all my games, so I see this play a lot.

SteveP · 05-03-2010, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by markprior22

1) Grounder to first. 1B steps on the bag and throws to second. Is the runner going to second ever called out?

Yes, it happens about as often as it does IRL.

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2) WP/PB...is the baserunner ever out at home? I know this is a very rare play. Not criticizing...just curious if anyone has seen an out call in this situation.

In the game engine, the decision is made to call a WP or a PB based on probabilities. If it is a WP/PB, the runner is always going to be safe -- otherwise, it would not be a WP or a PB. What you don't get in OOTP is a "baserunner out advancing" play, which is what the scoring would be if the runner was thrown out on something he thought might be a WP or a PB. In a sense, that type of play becomes a CS in OOTP.

Cryomaniac · 05-07-2010, 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

In the game engine, the decision is made to call a WP or a PB based on probabilities. If it is a WP/PB, the runner is always going to be safe -- otherwise, it would not be a WP or a PB. What you don't get in OOTP is a "baserunner out advancing" play, which is what the scoring would be if the runner was thrown out on something he thought might be a WP or a PB. In a sense, that type of play becomes a CS in OOTP.

But what you do get is runners being thrown out trying to stretch singles into doubles, so that sort of play is possible in the engine.

SteveP · 05-07-2010, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Cryomaniac

But what you do get is runners being thrown out trying to stretch singles into doubles, so that sort of play is possible in the engine.

But that sort of play is not scored as a "baserunner out advancing" which only occurs when the batter has not put the ball in play. It would just be a single and batter out at 2B with an assist to the OF.

Cryomaniac · 05-07-2010, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SteveP

But that sort of play is not scored as a "baserunner out advancing" which only occurs when the batter has not put the ball in play. It would just be a single and batter out at 2B with an assist to the OF.

True, but it is the same sort of thing. It should be one of the possibilities (Albeit rare) if the game engine decides there's an out.

05-03-2010, 08:51 AM	#1
markprior22 All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: springfield, illinois Posts: 1,243	Do these plays have different outcomes? Just curious... 1) Grounder to first. 1B steps on the bag and throws to second. Is the runner going to second ever called out? I've played out about 70 games and the call is always safe. Even in 70+ games this play doesn't come up too often so I realize my sample size is limited. 2) WP/PB...is the baserunner ever out at home? I know this is a very rare play. Not criticizing...just curious if anyone has seen an out call in this situation. Screenshots of either example would be nice.

05-03-2010, 09:07 AM	#3
Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hucknall, Notts, UK Posts: 4,902	I don't think 2 was in OOTP X, dunno about 11. __________________

05-03-2010, 06:22 PM	#5
GEP Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 132	I've never seen #2 not end in a run -- and I play out all my games, so I see this play a lot.