Morale

u4ic_fln1 · 07-16-2009, 02:17 AM

Ok... so appearantly I have thoroughly upset one of my players. I dont know what I did to upset him, but he is royally peeved. Is there any way to make him happy again?

tajoumaru · 07-16-2009, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by u4ic_fln1

Ok... so appearantly I have thoroughly upset one of my players. I dont know what I did to upset him, but he is royally peeved. Is there any way to make him happy again?

High-priced hookers and a bouquet of flowers?

SteveP · 07-16-2009, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by u4ic_fln1

Ok... so appearantly I have thoroughly upset one of my players. I dont know what I did to upset him, but he is royally peeved. Is there any way to make him happy again?

The morale button on the profile page will give you a breakdown of what he is peeved about. It may or may not be fixable. He wouldn't be the first guy shipped to a different team for that reason.

jimbobfurley · 07-16-2009, 02:56 PM

Do what I have done and turn off the morale system. Its way too sensitive and a huge pain in the arse

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Originally Posted by u4ic_fln1

Ok... so appearantly I have thoroughly upset one of my players. I dont know what I did to upset him, but he is royally peeved. Is there any way to make him happy again?

u4ic_fln1 · 07-16-2009, 02:59 PM

All it says under the breakdown is he is upset over my 'Team Transactions.' = /

SteveP · 07-16-2009, 03:09 PM

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All it says under the breakdown is he is upset over my 'Team Transactions.' = /

That's a tricky one. If you want to figure it out, you have to look at trades or other big roster changes (free agent signings, releasing players) and make a guess about what he's upset about. It'd be nice if you could ask him, but the game hasn't evolved that far yet.

If he is really, really PO'd, it probably means that he thinks you've done something that is bad for his career. He may not have a future on your team. In fact, at some point he's likely to send you a message to that effect himself. If he is only unhappy, he may well get over it in time, especially as you make other roster moves.

hitmanwa · 07-16-2009, 10:14 PM

How often is morale updated? Especially when upset about Team Performance?

SteveP · 07-16-2009, 11:42 PM

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How often is morale updated? Especially when upset about Team Performance?

Don't know. A lot of AI related events are done on a weekly basis, so that might give you a guide.

Left-handed Badger · 07-17-2009, 02:49 AM

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That's a tricky one. If you want to figure it out, you have to look at trades or other big roster changes (free agent signings, releasing players) and make a guess about what he's upset about. It'd be nice if you could ask him, but the game hasn't evolved that far yet.

If he is really, really PO'd, it probably means that he thinks you've done something that is bad for his career. He may not have a future on your team. In fact, at some point he's likely to send you a message to that effect himself. If he is only unhappy, he may well get over it in time, especially as you make other roster moves.

Well, b!tching is a good to limit a future with my team.

Anyhow, it'd be nice to have some way to be upfront with the player. I know if I was manager I would feel some obligation to give the player a general idea of his role, what i expect out of him, etc. THat'd be a way to to avoid at least some of said problems possibly.

Note: Course, come contract time I inevitably end up more willing at throwing more money to team players in past editions. (in so far, as I have managed, to willingly give more money per year that they were asking on 2 occasions, I felt they deserved it.)

SteveP · 07-17-2009, 12:35 PM

Well, anyone who has ever managed a bunch of talented professionals -- especially young ones (and I have) -- knows it can be a pain in the keister.

And also part of the job. The morale system in OOTP is just a way to give a taste of what real life GM/managers have to deal with. For my money, it works reasonably well, without becoming a big burden on gameplay.

And, yeah, sometimes it's better for all concerned to send a particular individual out to become someone else's problem -- just like in real life.

jar2574 · 07-17-2009, 12:40 PM

How much does morale affect performance? I've had unhappy guys do okay. My angry guys don't play much (which is why they are angry), so I can't tell whether moral does much to performance.

SteveP · 07-17-2009, 01:19 PM

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How much does morale affect performance

I don't think anyone has ever come up with a definitive answer to that question. There is probably some effect, but it may get lost in all the other random things that go on. After all, players have slumps even when they are happy. Plus, if a player is unhappy because of his own performance, maybe that shouldn't make his performance worse.

I assume that if a player is angry, I am going to have trouble with him eventually, one way or another. I assume if a player is unhappy, he might be performing worse because of it, but the more important dimension is that he might go from being unhappy to angry, so that's something I'd like to avoid.

endgame · 07-17-2009, 01:31 PM

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I don't think anyone has ever come up with a definitive answer to that question. There is probably some effect, but it may get lost in all the other random things that go on. After all, players have slumps even when they are happy. Plus, if a player is unhappy because of his own performance, maybe that shouldn't make his performance worse.

I assume that if a player is angry, I am going to have trouble with him eventually, one way or another. I assume if a player is unhappy, he might be performing worse because of it, but the more important dimension is that he might go from being unhappy to angry, so that's something I'd like to avoid.

In my personal experience, Angry players generally arrive at that state after being jacked around in transactions so they rightly don't know where they stand with me.

The players who are Unhappy are often Unhappy with their own performance and I have the slightest, ever so slightest, inkling that those with high work ethic have tended to work their way out of those performance declines and, consequently, the mood changes, if I haven't affected it by shopping them around.

Oddly, I had a pitcher recently decline in morale from, IIRC, Normal to Unhappy right after I traded away two highly-skilled defensive infielders. His morale status check indicated there was no reason for it; everything was blank or None. Only the morale status had changed. Maybe they were friends?

neojonas · 07-17-2009, 04:38 PM

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Oddly, I had a pitcher recently decline in morale from, IIRC, Normal to Unhappy right after I traded away two highly-skilled defensive infielders. His morale status check indicated there was no reason for it; everything was blank or None. Only the morale status had changed. Maybe they were friends?

Maybe he is a GB pitcher and he knows his stats will suffer because they are gone.

SteveP · 07-17-2009, 04:43 PM

I think if a guy has a high desire to win rating, he's going to react not only to how the team is doing, but also to anything that he thinks reduces the strength of the team (which is something the AI is geared to evaluate). It's possible that a high loyalty rating offsets this.

07-16-2009, 02:17 AM	#1
u4ic_fln1 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 105	Morale Ok... so appearantly I have thoroughly upset one of my players. I dont know what I did to upset him, but he is royally peeved. Is there any way to make him happy again?

07-16-2009, 10:14 PM	#7
hitmanwa Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 41	How often is morale updated? Especially when upset about Team Performance? Last edited by hitmanwa; 07-16-2009 at 10:49 PM.

07-16-2009, 02:59 PM	#5
u4ic_fln1 Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 105	All it says under the breakdown is he is upset over my 'Team Transactions.' = /

07-17-2009, 12:35 PM	#10
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,109	Well, anyone who has ever managed a bunch of talented professionals -- especially young ones (and I have) -- knows it can be a pain in the keister. And also part of the job. The morale system in OOTP is just a way to give a taste of what real life GM/managers have to deal with. For my money, it works reasonably well, without becoming a big burden on gameplay. And, yeah, sometimes it's better for all concerned to send a particular individual out to become someone else's problem -- just like in real life.

07-17-2009, 12:40 PM	#11
jar2574 Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 405	How much does morale affect performance? I've had unhappy guys do okay. My angry guys don't play much (which is why they are angry), so I can't tell whether moral does much to performance.

07-17-2009, 04:43 PM	#15
SteveP Moderator Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,109	I think if a guy has a high desire to win rating, he's going to react not only to how the team is doing, but also to anything that he thinks reduces the strength of the team (which is something the AI is geared to evaluate). It's possible that a high loyalty rating offsets this.