The Greatest Players

dsaad7 · 02-19-2010, 02:34 PM

In the historical players area of the game. It would be nice to form teams consisting of the greatest players having played on a team. For instance, the Greatest Yankees team would have, Ruth, Gehrig, mantle, Dimaggio, Berra, Guidry, Ford, Jeter, Gossage, Hunter, Combs, etc. The Red Sox team would have: Williams, Young, Speaker, etc. and so on with the Orioles, and all other teams. Then you could play a season(s) using these teams. The Greatest of the Greats all assembled on one team using their best season. Can this be accomplished with the current game, or part of the OOTP 11???

Goody · 02-19-2010, 02:36 PM

Sounds like a good candidate for a mod. OOTP gives you the power to do lots of things, but they're not all for everyone.

AirmenSmith · 02-19-2010, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dsaad7

In the historical players area of the game. It would be nice to form teams consisting of the greatest players having played on a team. For instance, the Greatest Yankees team would have, Ruth, Gehrig, mantle, Dimaggio, Berra, Guidry, Ford, Jeter, Gossage, Hunter, Combs, etc. The Red Sox team would have: Williams, Young, Speaker, etc. and so on with the Orioles, and all other teams. Then you could play a season(s) using these teams. The Greatest of the Greats all assembled on one team using their best season. Can this be accomplished with the current game, or part of the OOTP 11???

I don't play the historical parts ofthe game but I believe it is possible to do now. If I'm correct you can import players, even full teams, into the game using the lahman database. Post in the historical replay forum to see how.

Athletics17 · 02-19-2010, 04:18 PM

I am pretty sure cooperstown did an all time team mod for ootp 10. It is on padresfan. OOTP Templates

wiggins · 02-19-2010, 04:41 PM

He did, and did a great job. I play out almost all my games so, an FYI there are no L/R splits. which is very important to me.

Curtis · 03-01-2010, 05:20 PM

One of the biggest difficulties with Markus including this as an out-of-the-box feature is due to a design decision he made several years ago.

In order for players of different eras to play against each other smoothly, you would need to make all player ratings be relative to the league averages for the years they played in. That way a player who hit twice as many homers per plate appearance as the league average would get the same rating (let's say 200 on the 1-250 scale), regardless of whether he hit ten in 1915 deadball era or sixty in 2005. In other words, you'd be be comparing apples to apples. The way you'd get the guy to hit ten in 1915 would be to have a 0.167 league era modifier to home runs in 1915.

The way Markus chose to do it was to compare everyone to modern MLB. His way Home Run Baker gets a 33 for power, while Sammy Sosa gets his 200. That means that Baker only hits ten, even with a rabbit ball, whle Sosa hits sixty with a fungo bat. It makes it very difficult to compare players who played in different circumstances. His system uses the era modifiers to change the ratings the players are created with, not the effect of the rating.

Kudos to Cooperstown for his efforts.

EMSoccerCoach · 03-01-2010, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Curtis

One of the biggest difficulties with Markus including this as an out-of-the-box feature is due to a design decision he made several years ago.

In order for players of different eras to play against each other smoothly, you would need to make all player ratings be relative to the league averages for the years they played in. That way a player who hit twice as many homers per plate appearance as the league average would get the same rating (let's say 200 on the 1-250 scale), regardless of whether he hit ten in 1915 deadball era or sixty in 2005. In other words, you'd be be comparing apples to apples. The way you'd get the guy to hit ten in 1915 would be to have a 0.167 league era modifier to home runs in 1915.

The way Markus chose to do it was to compare everyone to modern MLB. His way Home Run Baker gets a 33 for power, while Sammy Sosa gets his 200. That means that Baker only hits ten, even with a rabbit ball, whle Sosa hits sixty with a fungo bat. It makes it very difficult to compare players who played in different circumstances. His system uses the era modifiers to change the ratings the players are created with, not the effect of the rating.

Kudos to Cooperstown for his efforts.

Isn't that all rectified with the normalized database?

Curtis · 03-01-2010, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by EMSoccerCoach

Isn't that all rectified with the normalized database?

Honestly, I don't know. I don't really understand databases as opposed to rosters.

Spritze · 03-02-2010, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by EMSoccerCoach

Isn't that all rectified with the normalized database?

Yes it is. The neutered db puts everyone in the same run context. But keep in mind there are many ways to score runs.

Curtis · 03-02-2010, 01:36 AM

Is the normalized database the one that ships with the game?

TGH-Adfabre · 03-03-2010, 11:11 AM

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Signature? What signature?

Just noticed the change.
Congrats!

Curtis · 03-03-2010, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Beavis Christ

Just noticed the change.
Congrats!

Thank you. I actually changed it when Version 10 came out and 'mass select' wasn't included.

This is probably the appropriate place to thank all of the posters who kept up the pressure when I dropped out of the fight. Hey, it turns out that ten million Frenchmen couldn't be wrong!

Cooperstown · 03-06-2010, 05:16 AM

Hey all,

I will be doing both versions for the Cooperstown file for OOTP 11. Also this year will include L/R splits and most likely a generic one as well.

I would like input on what most players using this file would like....

Neutralized
Neutralized w/splits
Real Stats
Real Stats /w splits

Let me know so I can put the most popular one out first, then follow in order as nessesary.

Also I will release an update to the Negro League Greats and Nippon League Greats that encompass the same idea for those historical leagues.

Thanks,

Jason "Cooperstown" Wick

Goody · 03-06-2010, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Curtis

One of the biggest difficulties with Markus including this as an out-of-the-box feature is due to a design decision he made several years ago.

In order for players of different eras to play against each other smoothly, you would need to make all player ratings be relative to the league averages for the years they played in. That way a player who hit twice as many homers per plate appearance as the league average would get the same rating (let's say 200 on the 1-250 scale), regardless of whether he hit ten in 1915 deadball era or sixty in 2005. In other words, you'd be be comparing apples to apples. The way you'd get the guy to hit ten in 1915 would be to have a 0.167 league era modifier to home runs in 1915.

The way Markus chose to do it was to compare everyone to modern MLB. His way Home Run Baker gets a 33 for power, while Sammy Sosa gets his 200. That means that Baker only hits ten, even with a rabbit ball, whle Sosa hits sixty with a fungo bat. It makes it very difficult to compare players who played in different circumstances. His system uses the era modifiers to change the ratings the players are created with, not the effect of the rating.

Kudos to Cooperstown for his efforts.

You're a wealth of information!

Curtis · 03-11-2010, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Cooperstown

I would like input on what most players using this file would like....

Neutralized
Neutralized w/splits
Real Stats
Real Stats /w splits

My vote is for Neutralized with splits. Thank you for asking.

Cryomaniac · 03-11-2010, 06:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Curtis

Hey, it turns out that ten million Frenchmen couldn't be wrong!

Especially not now we can select them all at once!

PhillieFever · 03-11-2010, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Curtis

Is the normalized database the one that ships with the game?

Yes, it is one of the two DB's that ship with the game. The default DB is titled Real Stats, the 2nd DB is titled Neutralized. You'll find this option on the very first screen in the league creation wizard.

Curtis · 03-14-2010, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by PhillieFever

Yes, it is one of the two DB's that ship with the game. The default DB is titled Real Stats, the 2nd DB is titled Neutralized. You'll find this option on the very first screen in the league creation wizard.

Thank you for clarifying that. I thought that that choosing the neutralized option just resulted in an internal massaging of the numbers, similar to creating arbitrary left/right splits.

Kobeck · 03-14-2010, 10:54 AM

what is a neutralized DB. Does it remove Era discrepencies? Deadball vs Juiceball??

just curious

02-19-2010, 02:34 PM	#1
dsaad7 Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 15	The Greatest Players In the historical players area of the game. It would be nice to form teams consisting of the greatest players having played on a team. For instance, the Greatest Yankees team would have, Ruth, Gehrig, mantle, Dimaggio, Berra, Guidry, Ford, Jeter, Gossage, Hunter, Combs, etc. The Red Sox team would have: Williams, Young, Speaker, etc. and so on with the Orioles, and all other teams. Then you could play a season(s) using these teams. The Greatest of the Greats all assembled on one team using their best season. Can this be accomplished with the current game, or part of the OOTP 11???

02-19-2010, 02:36 PM	#2
Goody Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Korea Posts: 3,530	Sounds like a good candidate for a mod. OOTP gives you the power to do lots of things, but they're not all for everyone. __________________ In the past: Laseron Baseball Association creator. Present: I am Rezulm on PT and OOTP Discord. Future: I wish it was the past.

02-19-2010, 04:18 PM	#4
Athletics17 All Star Starter Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: jackson Hole, Wy Posts: 1,187	I am pretty sure cooperstown did an all time team mod for ootp 10. It is on padresfan. OOTP Templates __________________ Compilation of Uniforms

03-06-2010, 05:16 AM	#13
Cooperstown Minors (Triple A) Join Date: May 2007 Location: Spokane, Washington Posts: 225	Cooperstown for 11..... Hey all, I will be doing both versions for the Cooperstown file for OOTP 11. Also this year will include L/R splits and most likely a generic one as well. I would like input on what most players using this file would like.... Neutralized Neutralized w/splits Real Stats Real Stats /w splits Let me know so I can put the most popular one out first, then follow in order as nessesary. Also I will release an update to the Negro League Greats and Nippon League Greats that encompass the same idea for those historical leagues. Thanks, Jason "Cooperstown" Wick Last edited by Cooperstown; 03-06-2010 at 05:19 AM.

02-19-2010, 04:41 PM	#5
wiggins All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 892	He did, and did a great job. I play out almost all my games so, an FYI there are no L/R splits. which is very important to me.

03-01-2010, 05:20 PM	#6
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,567	One of the biggest difficulties with Markus including this as an out-of-the-box feature is due to a design decision he made several years ago. In order for players of different eras to play against each other smoothly, you would need to make all player ratings be relative to the league averages for the years they played in. That way a player who hit twice as many homers per plate appearance as the league average would get the same rating (let's say 200 on the 1-250 scale), regardless of whether he hit ten in 1915 deadball era or sixty in 2005. In other words, you'd be be comparing apples to apples. The way you'd get the guy to hit ten in 1915 would be to have a 0.167 league era modifier to home runs in 1915. The way Markus chose to do it was to compare everyone to modern MLB. His way Home Run Baker gets a 33 for power, while Sammy Sosa gets his 200. That means that Baker only hits ten, even with a rabbit ball, whle Sosa hits sixty with a fungo bat. It makes it very difficult to compare players who played in different circumstances. His system uses the era modifiers to change the ratings the players are created with, not the effect of the rating. Kudos to Cooperstown for his efforts.

03-02-2010, 01:36 AM	#10
Curtis Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Watertown, New York Posts: 4,567	Is the normalized database the one that ships with the game?

03-14-2010, 10:54 AM	#19
Kobeck Major Leagues Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 491	what is a neutralized DB. Does it remove Era discrepencies? Deadball vs Juiceball?? just curious