Encouragement to Retire.

Ben Music · 12-03-2002, 03:00 PM

Is there a way to "encourage" a guy to retire. One of my old older pitchers was devastated by injuries this year and saw a sizable decrease to ratings and talent. Unfortunately, he has two years left on his $3.3M contract. If I drop him to say A level, will he retire more quickly? I know I can always release him and pony up the $6.6M, but I'd like to try and save some bucks.

Steve Kuffrey · 12-03-2002, 03:02 PM

Drop them to the lower minor league levels.

Ben Music · 12-03-2002, 03:16 PM

Thanks Steve!

Will they retire right away, or will they play out at least one last season?

JWay · 12-03-2002, 03:18 PM

They'll finish the season.

Scott Vibert · 12-03-2002, 03:20 PM

Its not a guarentee he'll retire... but it makes it much more likely that the player will retire after the season.

Steve Kuffrey · 12-03-2002, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ScottVib
Its not a guarentee he'll retire... but it makes it much more likely that the player will retire after the season.

Exactly, I have seen them play one more year even but I do feel that it can speed the process just not always.

GForce22 · 12-03-2002, 03:42 PM

is this something that will be fixed in OOTP5? You really shouldn't be able to demote an old veteran like that.

GH

Steve Kuffrey · 12-03-2002, 03:44 PM

Not certain at this point, we hope to deepen the roster management AI and structure.

GForce22 · 12-03-2002, 03:45 PM

cool. I just know the Yankees couldn't just dump John Franco down to A-ball, for example.

GH

JWay · 12-03-2002, 03:46 PM

When did the Yankees get him? Last time I saw him he was in a Mets Jersey...

GForce22 · 12-03-2002, 04:01 PM

LOL!! I was going to use the Yankees and Clemens as an example but changed my mind (apparently not completely!)

GH

Ben Music · 12-03-2002, 04:44 PM

Does the shabby treatment of player such as this affect other player's attitude toward your team?

asamford · 12-03-2002, 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GForce22
is this something that will be fixed in OOTP5? You really shouldn't be able to demote an old veteran like that.

GH

this was pretty common in the old days before big money contracts. many regular joe's and even some big stars would try and hang on and keep playing, working there way back down the ladder in the minors, rather than hanging up the spikes. trying to think of some examples, but my mind is blank right now....

however, i agree, there should be some sort of waiver system, or a buyout clause and immediate free agency when you try and send a veteran down to the minors.

fantom1979 · 12-04-2002, 01:22 AM

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Originally posted by ScottVib
Its not a guarentee he'll retire... but it makes it much more likely that the player will retire after the season.

I know this all too well. While this works a very good percentage of the time, I has one pitcher that was 38 spend the last three years of his career in Single A ball at $4 mil a year. I was starting to look into assassins.

84Tigers · 12-04-2002, 02:46 AM

Not sure if this was touched on, but I think it would be a cool feature if you could renegotiate a player's contract, if say, he's 38 and in the middle of a lengthy contract.

That way, he can play out his career without being demoted, and the owner gets a reprieve on the players decreased skills.

asamford · 12-04-2002, 04:31 AM

and what player, in his right mind, is going to negotiate for a lower salary when he's already got a guaranteed contract in hand?

now once we reach OOTP 6 or 7 and start talking about contracts with option years and performance bonuses and buyouts, then maybe a renegotiation process could be introduced, but if that's the case then you should have situations where players will come to you and demand to renegotiate their contract or ask for an extension when their deal is still 2 years from being up. Players could have a fluctuating mood ratings that displays how happy or pissed off at the team he currently is. AI teams could take note of this and only offer you lowball offers for guys that are pissed off at you and demanding trades. Or maybe an attitude rating to reflect the personality types of guys like Carl Everett, Derek Bell, Ruben Rivera, etc...

all these ideas i'd better post a link to this message in the suggestions forum!

84Tigers · 12-04-2002, 03:31 PM

>and what player, in his right mind, is going to negotiate for a >lower salary when he's already got a guaranteed contract in >hand?

I'm thinking a player who would rather stay with the big club instead of getting sent down to Single A ball would have no problem restructering his contract.

Scott Vibert · 12-04-2002, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by 84Tigers
>and what player, in his right mind, is going to negotiate for a >lower salary when he's already got a guaranteed contract in >hand?

I'm thinking a player who would rather stay with the big club instead of getting sent down to Single A ball would have no problem restructering his contract.

Of course in real life a major league "veteran" can simply refuse the assignment to the minors and become a free agent. Since the club was the one who breached his contract by releasing him after the refused assignment to the minors he would get to keep his current salary while he tried to hook on with another team, or worked on his golf game; or the club would be forced to keep him on the major league roster.

As a house rule in my solo league games I am not allowed to demote players who are making more than the league minimum (so anyone not on automatic contracts) during the season. They can be demoted during the offseason, but if they come up from the minors during the regular season they must be kept on the major league roster the rest of the year, or released.

Recte44 · 12-04-2002, 04:01 PM

And this leads to something that I hope is being considered for OOTP5 (and I know is, because Steve has alluded to it several times...):

Incorporate Major League Roster Rules to the game!!!!

I want to see Minor League Options, vested veterans, no trade after 10/5, etc. in this game.

And I'll link this thread to the Suggestions/Wish List forum.

ctorg · 12-05-2002, 12:27 PM

Besides renegotiation, I'd like to see some kind of salary arbitration and the implementation of certain rules such as a player being traded in the middle of a multiyear contract being able to demand a trade (trade demand clauses in general would be great) or a player having a no-trade clause or list of teams he is willing to go to.

12-03-2002, 03:00 PM	#1
Ben Music Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 432	Encouragement to Retire. Is there a way to "encourage" a guy to retire. One of my old older pitchers was devastated by injuries this year and saw a sizable decrease to ratings and talent. Unfortunately, he has two years left on his $3.3M contract. If I drop him to say A level, will he retire more quickly? I know I can always release him and pony up the $6.6M, but I'd like to try and save some bucks. __________________

12-03-2002, 03:02 PM	#2
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	Drop them to the lower minor league levels. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

12-03-2002, 03:16 PM	#3
Ben Music Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 432	Thanks Steve! Will they retire right away, or will they play out at least one last season? __________________

12-03-2002, 03:44 PM	#8
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	Not certain at this point, we hope to deepen the roster management AI and structure. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

12-03-2002, 04:44 PM	#12
Ben Music Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 432	Does the shabby treatment of player such as this affect other player's attitude toward your team? __________________

12-03-2002, 03:18 PM	#4
JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,031	They'll finish the season.

12-03-2002, 03:20 PM	#5
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,267	Its not a guarentee he'll retire... but it makes it much more likely that the player will retire after the season.

12-03-2002, 03:42 PM	#7
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	is this something that will be fixed in OOTP5? You really shouldn't be able to demote an old veteran like that. GH

12-03-2002, 03:45 PM	#9
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	cool. I just know the Yankees couldn't just dump John Franco down to A-ball, for example. GH

12-03-2002, 03:46 PM	#10
JWay Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sioux Falls, SD Posts: 5,031	When did the Yankees get him? Last time I saw him he was in a Mets Jersey...

12-03-2002, 04:01 PM	#11
GForce22 Banned Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,654	LOL!! I was going to use the Yankees and Clemens as an example but changed my mind (apparently not completely!) GH

12-04-2002, 02:46 AM	#15
84Tigers Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Decatur, Illinois Posts: 20	Just my two cents. Not sure if this was touched on, but I think it would be a cool feature if you could renegotiate a player's contract, if say, he's 38 and in the middle of a lengthy contract. That way, he can play out his career without being demoted, and the owner gets a reprieve on the players decreased skills. __________________ Hey Tiger fans, check out The Tiger Zone, updated when news breaks! http://members.aol.com/dennisdubay2002

12-04-2002, 04:31 AM	#16
asamford Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Snellville, Georgia Posts: 1,769	and what player, in his right mind, is going to negotiate for a lower salary when he's already got a guaranteed contract in hand? now once we reach OOTP 6 or 7 and start talking about contracts with option years and performance bonuses and buyouts, then maybe a renegotiation process could be introduced, but if that's the case then you should have situations where players will come to you and demand to renegotiate their contract or ask for an extension when their deal is still 2 years from being up. Players could have a fluctuating mood ratings that displays how happy or pissed off at the team he currently is. AI teams could take note of this and only offer you lowball offers for guys that are pissed off at you and demanding trades. Or maybe an attitude rating to reflect the personality types of guys like Carl Everett, Derek Bell, Ruben Rivera, etc... all these ideas i'd better post a link to this message in the suggestions forum!

12-04-2002, 03:31 PM	#17
84Tigers Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Decatur, Illinois Posts: 20	>and what player, in his right mind, is going to negotiate for a >lower salary when he's already got a guaranteed contract in >hand? I'm thinking a player who would rather stay with the big club instead of getting sent down to Single A ball would have no problem restructering his contract. __________________ Hey Tiger fans, check out The Tiger Zone, updated when news breaks! http://members.aol.com/dennisdubay2002

12-04-2002, 04:01 PM	#19
Recte44 Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Oconomowoc, WI Posts: 2,818	And this leads to something that I hope is being considered for OOTP5 (and I know is, because Steve has alluded to it several times...): Incorporate Major League Roster Rules to the game!!!! I want to see Minor League Options, vested veterans, no trade after 10/5, etc. in this game. And I'll link this thread to the Suggestions/Wish List forum. __________________ Matt Rectenwald Commissioner, GM: Las Vegas Hustlers, The Brewster Baseball Association- fictional league (JOIN NOW)

12-05-2002, 12:27 PM	#20
ctorg Global Moderator Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queens, NY Posts: 9,848	Besides renegotiation, I'd like to see some kind of salary arbitration and the implementation of certain rules such as a player being traded in the middle of a multiyear contract being able to demand a trade (trade demand clauses in general would be great) or a player having a no-trade clause or list of teams he is willing to go to.