Batter Success vs. Certain Pitchers?

kckid4u · 07-15-2008, 12:05 PM

I was looking at the pre-game screen that comes up when you play out a game, where over to the right, there are stats that tell how each hitter has performed against the other teams starting pitcher.

My question is, will a batter have better success against certain pitchers? (For example: If you have two pitchers with the same exact basic pitching ratings, are there other things in a pitcher, or batter, that will allow a batter to have better success against one of them or is a batter's success against certain pitchers just purely random?) It would be cool if there are hidden ratings that allow a batter to hit against one pitcher better than another hitter, even though the basic ratings are close to the same. Was I able to get my question across?

Markus?

Markus Heinsohn · 07-15-2008, 12:09 PM

The answer is yes. So it does make sense to check these stats

The number of pitchers a batter fares better against is the same as for pitchers he sucks against, so the effect evens itself out in the long run.

TribeFanInNC · 07-15-2008, 12:16 PM

I always wondered that too. Thanks for the confirmation Markus.

HolyRomanEmperor · 07-15-2008, 12:54 PM

That is freaking AWESOME! Good job Markus.

A quick follow up question though - is there some rhyme and reason as to what pitchers a batter does better against? In other words, does the computer just draw names from a hat to determine this, or are hitters rated such that they do better against specific types of pitchers (i.e. "this guy is a good fastball hitter", etc).

Thanks.

Markus Heinsohn · 07-15-2008, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by HolyRomanEmperor

That is freaking AWESOME! Good job Markus.

A quick follow up question though - is there some rhyme and reason as to what pitchers a batter does better against?

Nope, it's basically random...

dsvitak · 07-15-2008, 01:14 PM

What level of data would be considered to be significant when determining which batters to use against certain pitchers?

A better that goes 3 for 3 is not necessarily going to own that pitcher for all time...but a guy that goes 14-28 may have enough data to warrant hitting him third. Is this a correct assumption?

Carplos · 07-15-2008, 01:25 PM

I think part of the point is that it's up to you to decide when statistical data is relevant, whether it's 28 ab, or 50 (or more) before it means anything.

Markus Heinsohn · 07-15-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by dsvitak

What level of data would be considered to be significant when determining which batters to use against certain pitchers?

A better that goes 3 for 3 is not necessarily going to own that pitcher for all time...but a guy that goes 14-28 may have enough data to warrant hitting him third. Is this a correct assumption?

Yup... 3-3 is not a relevant sample size. But when you see a guy hitting 20 for 33 against a certain pitcher then chances are good that he 'owns' him

dsvitak · 07-15-2008, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Yup... 3-3 is not a relevant sample size. But when you see a guy hitting 20 for 33 against a certain pitcher then chances are good that he 'owns' him

Attaboy Markus! Let US determine when we think the data set is sufficient to have the .220 hitting shortstop lead off!

kckid4u · 07-15-2008, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Markus Heinsohn

Yup... 3-3 is not a relevant sample size. But when you see a guy hitting 20 for 33 against a certain pitcher then chances are good that he 'owns' him

That's awesome Markus! I really admire the detail you've put into this game. Something like this makes managing out a game even deeper for the would be manager. (Us, the OOTP gamer)

Just think, you may have some poor bench bum who can't hit himself out of a paperbag, but he may be worth keeping around if he hits well against a divisional rival's ace pitcher. If you could see through my monitor, you'd see a big smile Markus. (You'd also see that I am wearing the same shirt I had on last night when we had B.B.Q. for supper.)

Craig Scarborough · 07-15-2008, 03:09 PM

When are the pitchers that a particular batter will be good/horrible against determined? At the time of player creation, or are they updated throughout his career?

Meaning, will these pitchers he is good/bad against only be determined his rookie year, so if a pitcher comes into the league the next year will he have no chance of having an advantage or disadvantage vs. that particular pitcher?

dsvitak · 07-15-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig Scarborough

When are the pitchers that a particular batter will be good/horrible against determined? At the time of player creation, or are they updated throughout his career?

Meaning, will these pitchers he is good/bad against only be determined his rookie year, so if a pitcher comes into the league the next year will he have no chance of having an advantage or disadvantage vs. that particular pitcher?

I don't need to know how the cake is made, I just want to sit back and enjoy it!

The subjectivity rocks.

If I had the guts, I would turn off ratings completely...but hey, all teams have scouts.

clamel · 07-15-2008, 06:13 PM

Now this is SUPER,
but without knowing how I would like to add if the same goes for batters and hitters in the areas of Home and Away / Grass and Turf / day or nightgames.

Just hoping for the best or something like this to pop up in the future.

07-15-2008, 12:05 PM	#1
kckid4u All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pictured Above: Buck Barnett - Best Pitcher in OOTP History! Posts: 957	Batter Success vs. Certain Pitchers? I was looking at the pre-game screen that comes up when you play out a game, where over to the right, there are stats that tell how each hitter has performed against the other teams starting pitcher. My question is, will a batter have better success against certain pitchers? (For example: If you have two pitchers with the same exact basic pitching ratings, are there other things in a pitcher, or batter, that will allow a batter to have better success against one of them or is a batter's success against certain pitchers just purely random?) It would be cool if there are hidden ratings that allow a batter to hit against one pitcher better than another hitter, even though the basic ratings are close to the same. Was I able to get my question across? Markus?

07-15-2008, 12:09 PM	#2
Markus Heinsohn Developer OOTP Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Germany Posts: 24,805	The answer is yes. So it does make sense to check these stats The number of pitchers a batter fares better against is the same as for pitchers he sucks against, so the effect evens itself out in the long run.

07-15-2008, 12:16 PM	#3
TribeFanInNC Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 4,019	I always wondered that too. Thanks for the confirmation Markus.

07-15-2008, 12:54 PM	#4
HolyRomanEmperor Bat Boy Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 11	That is freaking AWESOME! Good job Markus. A quick follow up question though - is there some rhyme and reason as to what pitchers a batter does better against? In other words, does the computer just draw names from a hat to determine this, or are hitters rated such that they do better against specific types of pitchers (i.e. "this guy is a good fastball hitter", etc). Thanks.

07-15-2008, 01:14 PM	#6
dsvitak Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 5,345	What level of data would be considered to be significant when determining which batters to use against certain pitchers? A better that goes 3 for 3 is not necessarily going to own that pitcher for all time...but a guy that goes 14-28 may have enough data to warrant hitting him third. Is this a correct assumption?

07-15-2008, 01:25 PM	#7
Carplos Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Idaho Posts: 2,847 Infractions: 1/0 (0)	I think part of the point is that it's up to you to decide when statistical data is relevant, whether it's 28 ab, or 50 (or more) before it means anything.

07-15-2008, 03:09 PM	#11
Craig Scarborough All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 551	When are the pitchers that a particular batter will be good/horrible against determined? At the time of player creation, or are they updated throughout his career? Meaning, will these pitchers he is good/bad against only be determined his rookie year, so if a pitcher comes into the league the next year will he have no chance of having an advantage or disadvantage vs. that particular pitcher?

07-15-2008, 06:13 PM	#13
clamel All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Across the Pond Posts: 1,037	Now this is SUPER, but without knowing how I would like to add if the same goes for batters and hitters in the areas of Home and Away / Grass and Turf / day or nightgames. Just hoping for the best or something like this to pop up in the future.