Kelvin Sampson

[mh2365]

As a die-hard IU fan ... what a piece of crap this guy is. He should be fired right now, Rick Greenspan should hit the road with him. Let Dan Dakich finish out the season.

They should of hired Steve Alford instead but Greenspan said he didn't want to hire someone just because he was an IU guy ... well how is that decision working out for ya Ricky?

Oh yeah and Alford is 19-6 down at New Mexico. Despite Iowa fan's irrational hate ... he has only won every where he has been. Iowa is a nice 11-15 without him.

Stupid move hiring a known cheater. I was willing to give him a chance because his teams played hard and that would be a refreshing change of pace from the Mike Davis coached teams but he wasn't even on my top ten list of coaches.

[Riverdome]

Dan Dakich was brought up under Bobby Knight. Knight supporters will love Dan and the anti-Knight folks should know what they are getting into. The IU job has been a dream of his since he left IU years ago. He's a great guy who will be successful where ever his next head coaching gig is.

Originally Posted by mh2365

As a die-hard IU fan ... what a piece of crap this guy is. He should be fired right now, Rick Greenspan should hit the road with him. Let Dan Dakich finish out the season.

They should of hired Steve Alford instead but Greenspan said he didn't want to hire someone just because he was an IU guy ... well how is that decision working out for ya Ricky?

Oh yeah and Alford is 19-6 down at New Mexico. Despite Iowa fan's irrational hate ... he has only won every where he has been. Iowa is a nice 11-15 without him.

Stupid move hiring a known cheater. I was willing to give him a chance because his teams played hard and that would be a refreshing change of pace from the Mike Davis coached teams but he wasn't even on my top ten list of coaches.

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by Riverdome

Dan Dakich was brought up under Bobby Knight. Knight supporters will love Dan and the anti-Knight folks should know what they are getting into. The IU job has been a dream of his since he left IU years ago. He's a great guy who will be successful where ever his next head coaching gig is.

I agree I give it to him right now at 8:39 EST Saturday Feb. 16th!

[marc]

If I were an Indiana fan it would be Scott Drew or bust.

[Dagrims]

Originally Posted by mh2365

As a die-hard IU fan ... what a piece of crap this guy is. He should be fired right now, Rick Greenspan should hit the road with him. Let Dan Dakich finish out the season.

Preach on, brother. What a bone-headed hire.

[bababui]

Now we know why Bobby Knight quit Texas Tech. The Return of the King to IU!!

[Babrook]

I just hope they wait until after the season to fire them - IU has a shot this year.

[Big Hugg]

Originally Posted by marc

If I were an Indiana fan it would be Scott Drew or bust.

Sean Miller for me.


As for the nice 11-15 Iowa is as mentioned earlier in this thread, Lickliter should be given a medal for that. That's probably the least talented non-Northwestern team I've seen in this conference in the last 15 years. Which, of course, is Steve Alford's fault.

[Recte44]

Originally Posted by bababui

Now we know why Bobby Knight quit Texas Tech. The Return of the King to IU!!

+1

[marc]

Originally Posted by Big Hugg

Sean Miller for me.

I think Miller has done a real nice job of just maintaining what Prosser and Matta accomplished.

What Drew has done at Baylor is nothing short of a miracle.

[marc]

As for the Bobby Knight talk, I think that's pretty ridiculous at this point. He's not going to come back and coach a team that is likely not going to be post-season eligible for his first 2-3 years. If Knight does come back to coach it will be somewhere that he feels he can make a championship run.

[yankeesrule]

Only reason he's not fired yet is IU admin is afraid of firing him to quickly and facing a wrongful firing 'suit, similar to OSU with Jim Obrien

[marc]

Originally Posted by yankeesrule

Only reason he's not fired yet is IU admin is afraid of firing him to quickly and facing a wrongful firing 'suit, similar to OSU with Jim Obrien

Don't even get me started on that situation.

[mh2365]

Originally Posted by Big Hugg

Sean Miller for me.


As for the nice 11-15 Iowa is as mentioned earlier in this thread, Lickliter should be given a medal for that. That's probably the least talented non-Northwestern team I've seen in this conference in the last 15 years. Which, of course, is Steve Alford's fault.

Except they would probably have a winning record if Alford was their coach ... I like Lickliter but the crap Iowa fans put Alford through was amazing.

No one wants to go to Iowa ... no one ever has .. yet Alford only had one losing season there. I will admit he was no Dr. Tom Davis ... but he was a quality coach.

As far as the Knight talk goes .. that is a joke ... love the guy but he isn't coming back to IU. Although if he did it can't be any worse than the last two coaches ... the loser and the cheater.

Let Sampson go now, we'll do alright with Dakich. Also no way does IU get a post season ban ... no way. If the NCAA allows some teams (you know who you are) to pay their football players and still play in bowls, then how do they ban a team for unacceptable phone calls.

They'll be fined and lose some schollies ... as long as they take action and can Sampson.

[marc]

I'd be preparing for a post-season ban if I were you.

Especially if they get slapped with the dreaded "lack of institutional control" which is possible given that they hired him knowing full well he wasn't overly concerned with following the rules.

Also, comparing one player taking $500 from someone outside of the program because another player ran up a phone bill on him (I know this is what you were referring to so no need to beat around the bush) to a coach that....

Cheated and was caught and punished. Changed jobs and cheated again while on probation, and then lied about said cheating isn't exactly an apples to apples comparison.

The NCAA isn't too fond of coaches who continually break the rules and then lie about it.

We'll see what happens but Indiana fans shouldn't feel blindsided if they are ineligible for the 2009-10 postseasons.

[mh2365]

Actually I don't know what you are talking about as far as the phone bill thing .... I was mostly referring to USC.

If IU fires Sampson they won't get the post season ban ... if they retain him they will.

[marc]

Originally Posted by mh2365

If IU fires Sampson they won't get the post season ban ... if they retain him they will.

This is exactly what I thought not so long ago with Jim O'Brien and OSU and boy was I wrong. O'Brien was also a 1st time offender.

I think it's a toss up right now at best for IU as far as any sort of post-season ban. Not sure if it really matters though because at minimum it's going to cost them a few scholarships I would imagine and with White and Gordon being gone at the end of the year, losing those scholarships might as well be a post-season ban.

I hope for the sake of the Big Ten as a whole that they go lenient given Indiana's reputation but we'll see, this being the 2nd time doesn't exactly bode well.

[yankeesrule]

if sampson wasn't busted for this same stuff previously, IU would probably get a slap on the wrist. however, the fact that they knew he was already busted for this and then still let him do it, the NCAA will crack down hard on them. The longer this thing goes on, the worst it will be for IU

[Prodigal Son]

Originally Posted by mh2365

Except they would probably have a winning record if Alford was their coach ... I like Lickliter but the crap Iowa fans put Alford through was amazing.

No one wants to go to Iowa ... no one ever has .. yet Alford only had one losing season there. I will admit he was no Dr. Tom Davis ... but he was a quality coach.

As far as the Knight talk goes .. that is a joke ... love the guy but he isn't coming back to IU. Although if he did it can't be any worse than the last two coaches ... the loser and the cheater.

Let Sampson go now, we'll do alright with Dakich. Also no way does IU get a post season ban ... no way. If the NCAA allows some teams (you know who you are) to pay their football players and still play in bowls, then how do they ban a team for unacceptable phone calls.

They'll be fined and lose some schollies ... as long as they take action and can Sampson.

They would have a winning record if Alford were their coach? HA! The guy had eight seasons at Iowa and posted a 61-67 conference record. He made it past the first round of the NCAA tourney once. And it would only have gotten worse if he stayed, as he left the cupboard bare for Lickliter. "He was no Dr. Tom" is the understatement of the century. Alford ran the program into the ground (which, you seem to have forgotten, had been a perennial NCAA qualifier) and then bailed on it.

And Iowa fans didn't put Alford through hell solely because he was a loser, although he was fabulous at that. Iowa fans put Alford through hell because he constantly threw players under the bus in the media, he refused to take responsibility for the team's performance, he remained arrogant through everything, and he had countless discipline/behavior/legal problems with his players, plus a ton of transfers who hated playing for him and left. A ton. The guy flat-out isn't likable, and he doesn't have any redeeming personal or professional qualities to overcome that.

Be damned glad that IU didn't get Alford. He's horribly inconsistent and will wear out his welcome everywhere he goes unless he somehow gets a personality makeover.

I'd say IU's best bet is riding out the season and then checking the mid-major ranks for the next best thing. Who knows, maybe they'll offer the job to Drake's Keno Davis...the son of none other than Dr. Tom himself. Now wouldn't that be a trip?

[mh2365]

Blah ... 7 straight winning seasons ... 25-9 two years ago including 17-0 at home. 327-189 overall ... maybe he struggled in Tourney play at Iowa but he did take SW Missouri St. to the sweet sixteen.

Pretty crappy coach ... you are right. Iowa deserves a long long drought. IU might deserve the same unfortunately for bringing in a known cheater instead of an IU guy.