Kessler's stock is dropping

mh2365 · 03-26-2008, 07:50 AM

Rapidly ... This makes him look scared. Scared to fight Miranda, scared to fight in the US, just plain scared.

Not good

ESPN - Kessler withdraws from super middleweight fight with Miranda - Boxing

Dave1877 · 03-26-2008, 12:08 PM

Interesting that Kessler wanted a 10 round fight,

I would never have expected this from Kessler, there must be a reason, his guts can't be questioned after fighting in front of 50,000 Welsh fans in Cardiff last November against one of the P4P best.

mh2365 · 03-26-2008, 12:19 PM

From the article, Kessler was given everything he asked for and still backed out. Maybe his confidence is gone after losing to Calzaghe. Either way he smells yellow after this.

Ric915 · 03-26-2008, 01:04 PM

Not a good move on Kessler's part. Be tough for another promoter to try and arrange a fight for him here again. Maybe he's content fighting in Europe not taking anymore chances against quality opposition. He tried it against Calzage got beat and like Mike says maybe his confidence is shaken. Either way it doesn't look good for Kessler

Cap · 03-26-2008, 02:19 PM

Was he hurt in the Calzaghe fight? Maybe he needs a confidence-booster against some local talent first. If I were his manager, I'd be leery about throwing him in against Miranda right after fighting Joe.

Cap

mh2365 · 03-26-2008, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Cap

Was he hurt in the Calzaghe fight? Maybe he needs a confidence-booster against some local talent first. If I were his manager, I'd be leery about throwing him in against Miranda right after fighting Joe.

Cap

I would be also, but I wouldn't have agreed to the fight, given them a list of conditions and then pull out after they meet every condition.

meade95 · 03-26-2008, 03:27 PM

Kessler has always been overrated (or is that hyped?). Something of both to a degree (IMO).

Without a doubt this shows he wants no part of a guy who can bang and put pressure on him - He wants easier prey....plain and simple....

Hell (and flame away) I still believe Joe C is over hyped now since his win over J. Lacy..... And beating a 42 (or 43) year old Hopkins isn't going to change my tune much either....

Dave1877 · 03-26-2008, 03:58 PM

Well Calzaghe is worth his place in most people's top 10 P4P lists, purely because he has beaten the best there is to offer in his division, Lacy was seen as the next big thing and he taught him a boxing lesson, where in many rounds there was a strong case for a 10-8 without any knockdowns, he destroyed him into a state where he will never be the same again,

He took on Kessler who was seen as the biggest threat out there, and beat him fairly convincingly in a solid performance,

Sure he possibly ducked a couple of contenders along the way, and until the Lacy fight I was critical of him for taking easy options and not taking on the best, or risky fights, but you have to remember that before the Lacy scrap some people were offering predictions of a quick Lacy stoppage victory, and the boxing media was pretty much split on the Joe/Kessler fight beforehand. And he outclassed them leaving no question as to the decisions.

Taking on Hopkins is an interesting one, and would have been more attractive some years ago, but Hopkins can still hold his own, has never lost to a southpaw, and took care of Winky Wright, age isn't really a factor for this 'freak' of a man at 43, and it's going to be an interesting tussle.

Again, B-Hop is in many top 10 P4P lists worldwide and a win will definitely take Joe up a level in estimation. Especially considering that Joe is fighting at light-heavy for the first time, although he says he will be stronger for it because he has to lose less weight for the fight and says that his speed will be that of a super middle but he feels his power will benefit from the extra weight (he apparently walks around at 14 stone)

I believe Calzaghe stops Hopkins in the later rounds, and he has said that although he wants to retire at the end of 2008 he wants to fight Roy Jones and/or the winner of Woods/Tarver and/or Kelly Pavlik. If he beats Hopkins then Pavlik and retires unbeaten he will go down as a legend there's no two ways about it. I just fear that he will go for Jones, and will therefore always have to accept people saying he took on Hopkins and Jones when they were past their sell by date.

meade95 · 03-26-2008, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave1877

Well Calzaghe is worth his place in most people's top 10 P4P lists, purely because he has beaten the best there is to offer in his division, Lacy was seen as the next big thing and he taught him a boxing lesson, where in many rounds there was a strong case for a 10-8 without any knockdowns, he destroyed him into a state where he will never be the same again,

He took on Kessler who was seen as the biggest threat out there, and beat him fairly convincingly in a solid performance,

Sure he possibly ducked a couple of contenders along the way, and until the Lacy fight I was critical of him for taking easy options and not taking on the best, or risky fights, but you have to remember that before the Lacy scrap some people were offering predictions of a quick Lacy stoppage victory, and the boxing media was pretty much split on the Joe/Kessler fight beforehand. And he outclassed them leaving no question as to the decisions.

Taking on Hopkins is an interesting one, and would have been more attractive some years ago, but Hopkins can still hold his own, has never lost to a southpaw, and took care of Winky Wright, age isn't really a factor for this 'freak' of a man at 43, and it's going to be an interesting tussle.

Again, B-Hop is in many top 10 P4P lists worldwide and a win will definitely take Joe up a level in estimation. Especially considering that Joe is fighting at light-heavy for the first time, although he says he will be stronger for it because he has to lose less weight for the fight and says that his speed will be that of a super middle but he feels his power will benefit from the extra weight (he apparently walks around at 14 stone)

I believe Calzaghe stops Hopkins in the later rounds, and he has said that although he wants to retire at the end of 2008 he wants to fight Roy Jones and/or the winner of Woods/Tarver and/or Kelly Pavlik. If he beats Hopkins then Pavlik and retires unbeaten he will go down as a legend there's no two ways about it. I just fear that he will go for Jones, and will therefore always have to accept people saying he took on Hopkins and Jones when they were past their sell by date.

You make a lot of good points...and I agree with many.....With that said...

Fighting a 43 year-old Hopkins is fighting an old, one-division higher than his best, faded to a degree fighter. That is another fact there is no two-ways about. Facing an even worse faded Roy Jones is only further foolishness if Calzaghe decides to go that route (outside of the money aspect - though we are speaking to his legacy or lack of).

Calzaghe biggest accomplishment (and it is a big one - IMO) is that he has remained undefeated and champion for this long....(sub par competiton for a great many fights or not)....

Joe C beating Hopkins will do absolutely nothing for him in my eyes....In terms of his legacy or his value as a fighter...... He is fighting a guy at 43 he is suppose to beat....Plain and simple..... If he doesn't, it will only reflect on his value to begin with.......But the money is certainly worth the risk for Joe C....

Cap · 03-26-2008, 06:44 PM

Have you noticed how much older the top guys are now than they were thirty years ago? Used to be a fighter was considered finished at 31 or 32. Must be something in the water....

Cap

Dave1877 · 03-29-2008, 11:36 AM

Some websites are reporting that the reason for the sudden Kessler withdrawal was "strategically timed" with the retirement of Danny Green (WBA Light Heavy champion).

Apparently Kessler is moving up to light-heavy and believes he will be ranked well enough to fight Garay for the vacant title, then be in the mix in a "star studded" division (or the OAP club), with Tarver, Hopkins, Jones, Dawson, Calzaghe, Trinidad, Woods, Glen Johnson.

mh2365 · 03-29-2008, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Dave1877

Some websites are reporting that the reason for the sudden Kessler withdrawal was "strategically timed" with the retirement of Danny Green (WBA Light Heavy champion).

Apparently Kessler is moving up to light-heavy and believes he will be ranked well enough to fight Garay for the vacant title, then be in the mix in a "star studded" division (or the OAP club), with Tarver, Hopkins, Jones, Dawson, Calzaghe, Trinidad, Woods, Glen Johnson.

Interesting, although I'm not sure how he would fare at a higher weight.

Mr Big · 03-31-2008, 07:27 PM

I believe it could be the aforementioned confidence issue. Miranda would be a tough fight for anyone following the boxing lesson from Calzaghe. Would suggest that Kessler take a couple of easier fights before throwing himself back in among the lions. Would do wonders for his confidence, and allow him to resume his climb back to the upper echelons of the sport.

Mr Big · 04-02-2008, 01:52 PM

Fightnews is now reporting that the WBA has just named Kessler as the #1 contender for Anthony Mundines' SMW strap. Having already soundly beaten Mundine in his own back yard for the same title some three years ago, definitely like Mikkels' chances of a repeat performance.

Can't help but think that Kessler may have gotten wind of the title shot, and didn't want to risk anything against a potentially dangerous opponent like Miranda. (Although, I would have picked Mikkel to win via KO 8).

03-26-2008, 01:04 PM	#4
Ric915 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Lake Havasu City Arizona Posts: 1,262	Not a good move on Kessler's part. Be tough for another promoter to try and arrange a fight for him here again. Maybe he's content fighting in Europe not taking anymore chances against quality opposition. He tried it against Calzage got beat and like Mike says maybe his confidence is shaken. Either way it doesn't look good for Kessler Last edited by Ric915; 03-26-2008 at 04:51 PM.

03-26-2008, 02:19 PM	#5
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 8,045	Was he hurt in the Calzaghe fight? Maybe he needs a confidence-booster against some local talent first. If I were his manager, I'd be leery about throwing him in against Miranda right after fighting Joe. Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

03-26-2008, 06:44 PM	#10
Cap Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Large Province in God's Country Posts: 8,045	Have you noticed how much older the top guys are now than they were thirty years ago? Used to be a fighter was considered finished at 31 or 32. Must be something in the water.... Cap __________________ "...There were Giants in Those Days.."

03-31-2008, 07:27 PM	#13
Mr Big All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,238	I believe it could be the aforementioned confidence issue. Miranda would be a tough fight for anyone following the boxing lesson from Calzaghe. Would suggest that Kessler take a couple of easier fights before throwing himself back in among the lions. Would do wonders for his confidence, and allow him to resume his climb back to the upper echelons of the sport. __________________ The M.O.B. Isaiah 54:17

04-02-2008, 01:52 PM	#14
Mr Big All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 1,238	Fightnews is now reporting that the WBA has just named Kessler as the #1 contender for Anthony Mundines' SMW strap. Having already soundly beaten Mundine in his own back yard for the same title some three years ago, definitely like Mikkels' chances of a repeat performance. Can't help but think that Kessler may have gotten wind of the title shot, and didn't want to risk anything against a potentially dangerous opponent like Miranda. (Although, I would have picked Mikkel to win via KO 8). __________________ The M.O.B. Isaiah 54:17

03-26-2008, 07:50 AM	#1
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Kessler's stock is dropping Rapidly ... This makes him look scared. Scared to fight Miranda, scared to fight in the US, just plain scared. Not good ESPN - Kessler withdraws from super middleweight fight with Miranda - Boxing

03-26-2008, 12:08 PM	#2
Dave1877 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: West Midlands, United Kingdom Posts: 488	Interesting that Kessler wanted a 10 round fight, I would never have expected this from Kessler, there must be a reason, his guts can't be questioned after fighting in front of 50,000 Welsh fans in Cardiff last November against one of the P4P best.

03-26-2008, 12:19 PM	#3
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	From the article, Kessler was given everything he asked for and still backed out. Maybe his confidence is gone after losing to Calzaghe. Either way he smells yellow after this.

03-26-2008, 03:27 PM	#7
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	Kessler has always been overrated (or is that hyped?). Something of both to a degree (IMO). Without a doubt this shows he wants no part of a guy who can bang and put pressure on him - He wants easier prey....plain and simple.... Hell (and flame away) I still believe Joe C is over hyped now since his win over J. Lacy..... And beating a 42 (or 43) year old Hopkins isn't going to change my tune much either....

03-26-2008, 03:58 PM	#8
Dave1877 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: West Midlands, United Kingdom Posts: 488	Well Calzaghe is worth his place in most people's top 10 P4P lists, purely because he has beaten the best there is to offer in his division, Lacy was seen as the next big thing and he taught him a boxing lesson, where in many rounds there was a strong case for a 10-8 without any knockdowns, he destroyed him into a state where he will never be the same again, He took on Kessler who was seen as the biggest threat out there, and beat him fairly convincingly in a solid performance, Sure he possibly ducked a couple of contenders along the way, and until the Lacy fight I was critical of him for taking easy options and not taking on the best, or risky fights, but you have to remember that before the Lacy scrap some people were offering predictions of a quick Lacy stoppage victory, and the boxing media was pretty much split on the Joe/Kessler fight beforehand. And he outclassed them leaving no question as to the decisions. Taking on Hopkins is an interesting one, and would have been more attractive some years ago, but Hopkins can still hold his own, has never lost to a southpaw, and took care of Winky Wright, age isn't really a factor for this 'freak' of a man at 43, and it's going to be an interesting tussle. Again, B-Hop is in many top 10 P4P lists worldwide and a win will definitely take Joe up a level in estimation. Especially considering that Joe is fighting at light-heavy for the first time, although he says he will be stronger for it because he has to lose less weight for the fight and says that his speed will be that of a super middle but he feels his power will benefit from the extra weight (he apparently walks around at 14 stone) I believe Calzaghe stops Hopkins in the later rounds, and he has said that although he wants to retire at the end of 2008 he wants to fight Roy Jones and/or the winner of Woods/Tarver and/or Kelly Pavlik. If he beats Hopkins then Pavlik and retires unbeaten he will go down as a legend there's no two ways about it. I just fear that he will go for Jones, and will therefore always have to accept people saying he took on Hopkins and Jones when they were past their sell by date.

03-29-2008, 11:36 AM	#11
Dave1877 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: West Midlands, United Kingdom Posts: 488	Some websites are reporting that the reason for the sudden Kessler withdrawal was "strategically timed" with the retirement of Danny Green (WBA Light Heavy champion). Apparently Kessler is moving up to light-heavy and believes he will be ranked well enough to fight Garay for the vacant title, then be in the mix in a "star studded" division (or the OAP club), with Tarver, Hopkins, Jones, Dawson, Calzaghe, Trinidad, Woods, Glen Johnson.