Different kinds of waivers

Corsairs · 02-19-2008, 12:40 PM

I think I'm misunderstanding the portion of the manual that deals with waivers. The manual makes distinctions between a few different kinds of waivers: Outright, Unconditional Release, Major League. Whenever I waive a player, though, the only notification I get is a dialogue asking if I'd like the player to be automatically pulled back if claimed (revocable vs. irrevocable). Is there something special that needs to be done to place a player on one of these different kinds of waivers, or is that happening automatically behind the scenes?

I ask because, in our online league, one of my owners has asked me about a situation where he's placed a player with 13 major league service years and no remaining options on waivers. That player has now cleared waivers and has 1 day remaining on DFA, and he's refusing an assignment to the minors (which I understand is his right). The manual seems to indicate that players can opt for free agency if they refuse an assignment. That doesn't seem to be happening, though; the player just says he refuses to be assigned. Does this mean that the team in question would need to either release him (and eat the contract) or place him back on the active roster? Is this a case where he needed to be placed on one of these different kinds of waivers from the get-go?

Ktulu · 02-19-2008, 02:48 PM

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Does this mean that the team in question would need to either release him (and eat the contract) or place him back on the active roster?

Yes, since he won't go to the minors those are the only options.

In OOTP there are only two kinds of waivers, revocable and irrevocable... the manual (for some reason) is describing "real life" waivers which aren't necessary in ootp.

Players who are out of options cannot be placed on revocable waivers, players with options can.

injury log · 02-19-2008, 02:56 PM

I haven't read what the manual has to say about waivers, but it sounds as if the manual is describing real life, not OOTP.

-in real life, there are a few types of waivers- the most commonly used are outright waivers, release waivers and Major League waivers. To remove a player from the 40-man roster, he must be placed on outright waivers, which are always irrevocable (it doesn't matter whether he's out of options). Some players- those with enough service time, those who have been outrighted once before in their career, and a few others- have the right to declare free agency if a team attempts to outright them.

-in OOTP, there is only one type of waiver (well, two, I think, but I'll get to that). To remove a player from the 40-man roster, he must be placed on OOTP waivers and designated for assignment. In OOTP, these waivers are *not* always irrevocable, unlike real life (they are only irrevocable in OOTP if the player is out of options). Unlike real life, players never declare free agency when outrighted, even if they ought to be entitled to do so.

So, the guy sitting in DFA in your game, who in real life would have become a free agent, there are two options: he can be released, or he can be put back on the active roster. It sounds to me as though you've used waivers correctly, at least for OOTP- there is no choice of 'type' of waiver in the game.

I mention that there seems to be a second kind of waiver in OOTP, which is like real life Major League waivers. When you try to trade someone after the trade deadline, in the game and in real life the player would need to clear Major League waivers. Unlike outright waivers, Major League waivers are revocable the first time they are requested during a waiver period (if you try to pass a guy through ML waivers a second time, the waivers are irrevocable in real life, though not in OOTP). The game seems to implement ML waivers automatically; if you try to trade after the deadline, and one of the players is claimed, it seems he is automatically removed from waivers without you needing to worry about it. Which is good- simple for everyone.

Corsairs · 02-19-2008, 03:06 PM

Thank you guys, that clears things up for me. I'm glad I generally had the right idea about how waivers work in OOTP, and that extra bit about Major League waivers is very good info to have since we're about to hit our trade deadline. For now I'll let the owner know that his two options are to release or reactivate.

02-19-2008, 12:40 PM	#1
Corsairs Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,360	Different kinds of waivers I think I'm misunderstanding the portion of the manual that deals with waivers. The manual makes distinctions between a few different kinds of waivers: Outright, Unconditional Release, Major League. Whenever I waive a player, though, the only notification I get is a dialogue asking if I'd like the player to be automatically pulled back if claimed (revocable vs. irrevocable). Is there something special that needs to be done to place a player on one of these different kinds of waivers, or is that happening automatically behind the scenes? I ask because, in our online league, one of my owners has asked me about a situation where he's placed a player with 13 major league service years and no remaining options on waivers. That player has now cleared waivers and has 1 day remaining on DFA, and he's refusing an assignment to the minors (which I understand is his right). The manual seems to indicate that players can opt for free agency if they refuse an assignment. That doesn't seem to be happening, though; the player just says he refuses to be assigned. Does this mean that the team in question would need to either release him (and eat the contract) or place him back on the active roster? Is this a case where he needed to be placed on one of these different kinds of waivers from the get-go?

02-19-2008, 02:56 PM	#3
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	I haven't read what the manual has to say about waivers, but it sounds as if the manual is describing real life, not OOTP. -in real life, there are a few types of waivers- the most commonly used are outright waivers, release waivers and Major League waivers. To remove a player from the 40-man roster, he must be placed on outright waivers, which are always irrevocable (it doesn't matter whether he's out of options). Some players- those with enough service time, those who have been outrighted once before in their career, and a few others- have the right to declare free agency if a team attempts to outright them. -in OOTP, there is only one type of waiver (well, two, I think, but I'll get to that). To remove a player from the 40-man roster, he must be placed on OOTP waivers and designated for assignment. In OOTP, these waivers are not always irrevocable, unlike real life (they are only irrevocable in OOTP if the player is out of options). Unlike real life, players never declare free agency when outrighted, even if they ought to be entitled to do so. So, the guy sitting in DFA in your game, who in real life would have become a free agent, there are two options: he can be released, or he can be put back on the active roster. It sounds to me as though you've used waivers correctly, at least for OOTP- there is no choice of 'type' of waiver in the game. I mention that there seems to be a second kind of waiver in OOTP, which is like real life Major League waivers. When you try to trade someone after the trade deadline, in the game and in real life the player would need to clear Major League waivers. Unlike outright waivers, Major League waivers are revocable the first time they are requested during a waiver period (if you try to pass a guy through ML waivers a second time, the waivers are irrevocable in real life, though not in OOTP). The game seems to implement ML waivers automatically; if you try to trade after the deadline, and one of the players is claimed, it seems he is automatically removed from waivers without you needing to worry about it. Which is good- simple for everyone.

02-19-2008, 03:06 PM	#4
Corsairs Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 2,360	Thank you guys, that clears things up for me. I'm glad I generally had the right idea about how waivers work in OOTP, and that extra bit about Major League waivers is very good info to have since we're about to hit our trade deadline. For now I'll let the owner know that his two options are to release or reactivate.