Need YOUR help with a schedule experiment

Le Grande Orange · 10-10-2002, 12:49 AM

I'm looking for a volunteer or two to help me test out a schedule for OOTP. This experiment needs YOU!!!

I regret to say though that you'd have to key in the schedule manually, as I only have it in text form. Fortunately, it's not too big as it's for a single, one division league playing a 140 game schedule. Specifically, it's a modification of the actual, original schedule for the American Association of 1890, but with a twist.

It also includes Baltimore, making it a 9 team league in total.

The idea behind this schedule is that, if it works, it will allow those folks doing historical simming that starts in the pre-1901 era to run the league so that it will mimic the coming in and dropping out of teams during a season as happened historically. So, for example, you will be able to simulate seasons such as the 1884 AA or 1891 AA more like how it actually looked.

Sound intriguing? I hope so.

The other thing this schedule will test is whether or not OOTP can in fact run a league with an odd number of teams in it. At present, the only known restriction is the game's schedule generator, which cannot handle this type of situation. Manually entering this schedule will bypass this restriction, and thus we can finally find out if OOTP has any other difficulties with the "odd number of teams in a league" scenario.

If you're interested and would like to help out, then post back here and I will explain more of the details. I'll also happily answer any questions anyone has.

Sign up now!! Be the first person on your block to brave the unchartered world of OOTP and an odd number of teams in a league!

MJohnson · 10-10-2002, 04:55 AM

Pierre, I would be willing to help you test this as I have experience with the 9 team schedule before. I attempted a 1871 league in the past using all 9 teams that played in the National Associations. I manually created an schedule with all teams playing 40 games. The schedule I had created involved a team taking 4 days off in a row as the other 8 teams played. The schedule itself worked fine but the small number of players, pitchers in particular, made the league stats skewed. A computer crash killed the league and regrettably I never made another attempt.

Enough babbling, a manually entered schedule with an odd number of teams will work and I'm willing to help you test this.

Drop me a line at mark.johnson@umit.maine.edu

Le Grande Orange · 10-11-2002, 11:35 PM

Thanks for the offer Mark, you seem to be the only one brave enough to want to try this out.

I'll send you the schedule info by e-mail in the next day or two. By the way, if you ever want to try simming the National Association again, I have the NA schedules, as they were played for 1871-1875, around here on paper. I just have to sit down and type them up into the computer.

So if you'd like to try them out, just let me know.

MJohnson · 10-12-2002, 01:54 AM

Thanks for letting me be your guinea pig in this project. A problem that I am already anticipating is qualification for rate stats. I am guessing that the maximum number of games played by any team will be used to determine 3.1 PAs per game.

As for the NA schedules, I'd love to see them when you have the time to type them up. I have enjoyed the replays of Tiger Fan, Jim Servo, and Vsport among others, but have always felt they lacked "completeness." Hopefully the schedules will span a new set of replays and potentially a complete history of professional baseball, 1871 to the present.

Tiger Fan · 10-12-2002, 07:15 AM

I dont have time to manually key it in but would be glad to test it if either of you want to send me your schedule.dat file just prior to opening day of your league. In addition to the dat file I will also need to know the season start date and the day the season starts on. (from the schedule editing menu), or if you prefer you can send me the entire league file

My email is tigerfan_1ca@yahoo.com
Thanks

MJohnson - I tried starting my HOB2 in the 1800's but ran into too many problems trying to get the players imported properly.

Le Grande Orange · 10-12-2002, 07:10 PM

Tiger Fan,

Well I don't have any OOTP files for this, but I'm sure MJohnson wouldn't mind passing his along once he's got it set up. By the way, whatever happened to the HOB2? I haven't seen any posts about it in the Dynasty forum section for the longest time and I was curious to see how its second run through was turning out...

MJohnson,

Hey, if you don't mind being a guinea pig for this, then that's fine with me.

I think I'll send you the 1884 Union Association schedule too. Using that one will save you some typing, as the UA was originally supposed to be an 8 team league playing 112 games, while the 1890 AA was an 8 team league playing 140 games. That's 28 fewer scheduled games per team, so that must translate into quite a few less keystrokes.

The UA is probably a better test case in any event, given that it has even more teams dropping in and out of the league during the season. But I'll leave it up to you as to which one you want to pursue.

As to the stats, yeah, you'll probably find difficulties there, given that OOTP isn't really designed with pre-1900 era baseball in mind. But at least it can still work fairly well even in spite of the limitations.

In case you missed it, I announced just what these schedules are going to be used for here: http://www.400softwarestudios.com/bo...t&pagenumber=1

If these test schedules do work out well, that'll mean I can include them, and give the player the choice of either playing the year as it was originally intended or as it actually was, with teams dropping in and out.

More choice is better in my opinion.

10-10-2002, 12:49 AM	#1
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,642	Need YOUR help with a schedule experiment I'm looking for a volunteer or two to help me test out a schedule for OOTP. This experiment needs YOU!!! I regret to say though that you'd have to key in the schedule manually, as I only have it in text form. Fortunately, it's not too big as it's for a single, one division league playing a 140 game schedule. Specifically, it's a modification of the actual, original schedule for the American Association of 1890, but with a twist. It also includes Baltimore, making it a 9 team league in total. The idea behind this schedule is that, if it works, it will allow those folks doing historical simming that starts in the pre-1901 era to run the league so that it will mimic the coming in and dropping out of teams during a season as happened historically. So, for example, you will be able to simulate seasons such as the 1884 AA or 1891 AA more like how it actually looked. Sound intriguing? I hope so. The other thing this schedule will test is whether or not OOTP can in fact run a league with an odd number of teams in it. At present, the only known restriction is the game's schedule generator, which cannot handle this type of situation. Manually entering this schedule will bypass this restriction, and thus we can finally find out if OOTP has any other difficulties with the "odd number of teams in a league" scenario. If you're interested and would like to help out, then post back here and I will explain more of the details. I'll also happily answer any questions anyone has. Sign up now!! Be the first person on your block to brave the unchartered world of OOTP and an odd number of teams in a league!

10-12-2002, 07:15 AM	#5
Tiger Fan Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 9,873	I dont have time to manually key it in but would be glad to test it if either of you want to send me your schedule.dat file just prior to opening day of your league. In addition to the dat file I will also need to know the season start date and the day the season starts on. (from the schedule editing menu), or if you prefer you can send me the entire league file My email is tigerfan_1ca@yahoo.com Thanks MJohnson - I tried starting my HOB2 in the 1800's but ran into too many problems trying to get the players imported properly. __________________ Cliff Markle HOB1 greatest pitcher 360-160, 9 Welch Awards, 11 WS titles

10-10-2002, 04:55 AM	#2
MJohnson Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: under an overpass Posts: 459	Pierre, I would be willing to help you test this as I have experience with the 9 team schedule before. I attempted a 1871 league in the past using all 9 teams that played in the National Associations. I manually created an schedule with all teams playing 40 games. The schedule I had created involved a team taking 4 days off in a row as the other 8 teams played. The schedule itself worked fine but the small number of players, pitchers in particular, made the league stats skewed. A computer crash killed the league and regrettably I never made another attempt. Enough babbling, a manually entered schedule with an odd number of teams will work and I'm willing to help you test this. Drop me a line at mark.johnson@umit.maine.edu

10-11-2002, 11:35 PM	#3
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,642	Thanks for the offer Mark, you seem to be the only one brave enough to want to try this out. I'll send you the schedule info by e-mail in the next day or two. By the way, if you ever want to try simming the National Association again, I have the NA schedules, as they were played for 1871-1875, around here on paper. I just have to sit down and type them up into the computer. So if you'd like to try them out, just let me know.

10-12-2002, 01:54 AM	#4
MJohnson Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: under an overpass Posts: 459	Thanks for letting me be your guinea pig in this project. A problem that I am already anticipating is qualification for rate stats. I am guessing that the maximum number of games played by any team will be used to determine 3.1 PAs per game. As for the NA schedules, I'd love to see them when you have the time to type them up. I have enjoyed the replays of Tiger Fan, Jim Servo, and Vsport among others, but have always felt they lacked "completeness." Hopefully the schedules will span a new set of replays and potentially a complete history of professional baseball, 1871 to the present.

10-12-2002, 07:10 PM	#6
Le Grande Orange Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Up There Posts: 15,642	Tiger Fan, Well I don't have any OOTP files for this, but I'm sure MJohnson wouldn't mind passing his along once he's got it set up. By the way, whatever happened to the HOB2? I haven't seen any posts about it in the Dynasty forum section for the longest time and I was curious to see how its second run through was turning out... MJohnson, Hey, if you don't mind being a guinea pig for this, then that's fine with me. I think I'll send you the 1884 Union Association schedule too. Using that one will save you some typing, as the UA was originally supposed to be an 8 team league playing 112 games, while the 1890 AA was an 8 team league playing 140 games. That's 28 fewer scheduled games per team, so that must translate into quite a few less keystrokes. The UA is probably a better test case in any event, given that it has even more teams dropping in and out of the league during the season. But I'll leave it up to you as to which one you want to pursue. As to the stats, yeah, you'll probably find difficulties there, given that OOTP isn't really designed with pre-1900 era baseball in mind. But at least it can still work fairly well even in spite of the limitations. In case you missed it, I announced just what these schedules are going to be used for here: http://www.400softwarestudios.com/bo...t&pagenumber=1 If these test schedules do work out well, that'll mean I can include them, and give the player the choice of either playing the year as it was originally intended or as it actually was, with teams dropping in and out. More choice is better in my opinion.