Sub .500 Division Champions

Total Nirvana · 10-01-2002, 12:08 AM

Hey. In my Solo League, the Kansas City Royals won the American League Central, with a 76-86 record. They went all the way to the ALCS, when they were beaten by the Baltimore Orioles with a 82-82 Record. I'm wondering if anyone had to deal with this, and what happend to the team. Just curious... Thanks!

AngelinOF · 10-01-2002, 12:39 AM

I have seen it happen twice in back-to-back years. In 1994 & 1995 the AL West winner had sub-500 records. It was one of the things that was being discussed during the 1994 season, when the strike hit the Rangers were 10 games under .500.

JoeRockEHF · 10-01-2002, 06:14 AM

In my solo fictional league I had the Milwaukee Brewers win the NL Central Division and go on to win the World Series with a record of 80-82. Their rival in the World Series? The Boston Red Sox who had the amazing record of 110-52 and who had destroyed the AL. They won the AL East by more than 25 games and swept their opponants in the ALDS and ALCS. Even in the game the Red Sox get no love. That Bambino Curse follows them everywhere.

Malignant · 10-01-2002, 06:40 AM

Wow you're right, that is one powerful curse

sporr · 10-01-2002, 11:10 AM

The Baseball Maelstrom Cardinals won the NL Central with an 80-82 record. They faced the 120-42 Mets (with the most dominant pitching rotation in the league - Mathewson, Seaver, Ishii, Sid Fernandez). The Cardinals won the 1st 2 games in New York and seemed poised for the upset. Unfortunately, they couldn't win another game, losing 3 straight. The Mets went on to dominantly win the World Series.

slackmeisterPA · 10-01-2002, 08:19 PM

In my fictional league, which is roughly based on the Independent Atlantic League, the Newark Bears, in 1981, won the Southern League with a record of 80 and 82. The next two teams (Somerset and Atlantic City) were 79 and 83. Last place Camden was 77 and 85. Three games from worst to first? That was the only sub .500 team I've ever seen win a division, and the tightest race I've ever seen.

Total Nirvana · 10-01-2002, 09:59 PM

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Originally posted by Malignant
Wow you're right, that is one powerful curse

Uh no... In my same solo league, a year before, the Red Sox went 101-61, and won the world series 4 games to 1 against my team, the San Diego Padres, who went 121-41

MrAlphabet · 10-03-2002, 06:02 PM

I just won the division of a league I'm in with my Phillies going 80-83, they tied with the Florida Marlins for first with 79-83 record then won the playoff.

CMH · 10-03-2002, 08:19 PM

i havent seen this happen in my league, but i am gettin the case of NFL type fever in my league.

In 2006 the Minnesota Twins won the World Series. In 2007 they finished fourth in their division.

In 2007 the Phillies won the World Series. Currently in mid June of 2008, they are in last place with a sub.500 record in the NL East.

In fact, the past couple of champions have been as followed:

2004: Padres
2005: Cardinals
2006: Twins
2007: Phillies

Only the Cardinals have been as far as the NLCS after winning the Championship. They lost in 7 games to the Twins in the 2007 World Series.

The Padres have remained competitive through 2007, but then decided to trade Pedro Martinez (the most dominant pitcher in my league) for 2 minor leaguers and Sammy Sosa (currently with 760+ career home runs and still goin). The Pads arent that dominant anymore. Goes to show that pitchin is very very important.

Interesting to see that every year, almost every team has a shot at winning a championship. Every team in my league has finished at least in 3rd place in their division. Not bad.

Andy · 10-03-2002, 08:38 PM

Funny you mentioned this. Just today I finished simming year 1 of my solo league using KOD's rosters. My Minnesota Twins won the division with a record of 80-82. Currently I am tied with the Yankees 1-1 in the divisional series.

Total Nirvana · 10-03-2002, 09:19 PM

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Originally posted by YankeePride
i havent seen this happen in my league, but i am gettin the case of NFL type fever in my league.

In 2006 the Minnesota Twins won the World Series. In 2007 they finished fourth in their division.

In 2007 the Phillies won the World Series. Currently in mid June of 2008, they are in last place with a sub.500 record in the NL East.

In fact, the past couple of champions have been as followed:

2004: Padres
2005: Cardinals
2006: Twins
2007: Phillies

Only the Cardinals have been as far as the NLCS after winning the Championship. They lost in 7 games to the Twins in the 2007 World Series.

The Padres have remained competitive through 2007, but then decided to trade Pedro Martinez (the most dominant pitcher in my league) for 2 minor leaguers and Sammy Sosa (currently with 760+ career home runs and still goin). The Pads arent that dominant anymore. Goes to show that pitchin is very very important.

Interesting to see that every year, almost every team has a shot at winning a championship. Every team in my league has finished at least in 3rd place in their division. Not bad.

You got it wrong...

It's a team that won a division with a losing record (i.e. sub .500 record) not a team who's next year had a losing record

Andy · 10-03-2002, 11:15 PM

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Originally posted by USBL Commish 24
You got it wrong...

It's a team that won a division with a losing record (i.e. sub .500 record) not a team who's next year had a losing record

I can't speak for Yankeepride but the very first thing in his post is" I haven't seen this happen in my league but......". He was just telling us something different that happened in his league.

JimboGM · 10-03-2002, 11:18 PM

In the LBA, an online league, the Whitesand Whalers won the Elos division with a 74-80 record. The Elos division is the brunt of many jokes as a result.

Of course, that's the division I'm in.

10-01-2002, 12:08 AM	#1
Total Nirvana All Star Reserve Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego, California Posts: 750	Sub .500 Division Champions Hey. In my Solo League, the Kansas City Royals won the American League Central, with a 76-86 record. They went all the way to the ALCS, when they were beaten by the Baltimore Orioles with a 82-82 Record. I'm wondering if anyone had to deal with this, and what happend to the team. Just curious... Thanks! __________________ Total Hockey Commissioner Your Off-Topic Nightmare. Free Agent OT Player - Plays 1B/3B/OF, hits for power on all fields, great fielder, can hit .330 a season!

10-01-2002, 06:14 AM	#3
JoeRockEHF All Star Reserve Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Niles, MI Posts: 933	In my solo fictional league I had the Milwaukee Brewers win the NL Central Division and go on to win the World Series with a record of 80-82. Their rival in the World Series? The Boston Red Sox who had the amazing record of 110-52 and who had destroyed the AL. They won the AL East by more than 25 games and swept their opponants in the ALDS and ALCS. Even in the game the Red Sox get no love. That Bambino Curse follows them everywhere. __________________ PSN: JoeRockEHF

10-01-2002, 06:40 AM	#4
Malignant Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 33	Wow you're right, that is one powerful curse __________________ Just because you're paranoid, don't mean they're not after you.

10-03-2002, 11:18 PM	#13
JimboGM Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 69	In the LBA, an online league, the Whitesand Whalers won the Elos division with a 74-80 record. The Elos division is the brunt of many jokes as a result. Of course, that's the division I'm in. __________________ The Baseball Classic- St. Paul Apostles http://happybandits.com/ootp/online_leagues/sbc_main/- Geelong Cats http://statsplus.net/cba/- Detroit Motors

10-01-2002, 12:39 AM	#2
AngelinOF All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kentucky Posts: 1,353	I have seen it happen twice in back-to-back years. In 1994 & 1995 the AL West winner had sub-500 records. It was one of the things that was being discussed during the 1994 season, when the strike hit the Rangers were 10 games under .500.

10-01-2002, 11:10 AM	#5
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	The Baseball Maelstrom Cardinals won the NL Central with an 80-82 record. They faced the 120-42 Mets (with the most dominant pitching rotation in the league - Mathewson, Seaver, Ishii, Sid Fernandez). The Cardinals won the 1st 2 games in New York and seemed poised for the upset. Unfortunately, they couldn't win another game, losing 3 straight. The Mets went on to dominantly win the World Series.

10-01-2002, 08:19 PM	#6
slackmeisterPA Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 275	In my fictional league, which is roughly based on the Independent Atlantic League, the Newark Bears, in 1981, won the Southern League with a record of 80 and 82. The next two teams (Somerset and Atlantic City) were 79 and 83. Last place Camden was 77 and 85. Three games from worst to first? That was the only sub .500 team I've ever seen win a division, and the tightest race I've ever seen.

10-03-2002, 06:02 PM	#8
MrAlphabet Minors (Single A) Join Date: May 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 52	I just won the division of a league I'm in with my Phillies going 80-83, they tied with the Florida Marlins for first with 79-83 record then won the playoff.

10-03-2002, 08:19 PM	#9
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	i havent seen this happen in my league, but i am gettin the case of NFL type fever in my league. In 2006 the Minnesota Twins won the World Series. In 2007 they finished fourth in their division. In 2007 the Phillies won the World Series. Currently in mid June of 2008, they are in last place with a sub.500 record in the NL East. In fact, the past couple of champions have been as followed: 2004: Padres 2005: Cardinals 2006: Twins 2007: Phillies Only the Cardinals have been as far as the NLCS after winning the Championship. They lost in 7 games to the Twins in the 2007 World Series. The Padres have remained competitive through 2007, but then decided to trade Pedro Martinez (the most dominant pitcher in my league) for 2 minor leaguers and Sammy Sosa (currently with 760+ career home runs and still goin). The Pads arent that dominant anymore. Goes to show that pitchin is very very important. Interesting to see that every year, almost every team has a shot at winning a championship. Every team in my league has finished at least in 3rd place in their division. Not bad.

10-03-2002, 08:38 PM	#10
Andy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 2,270	Funny you mentioned this. Just today I finished simming year 1 of my solo league using KOD's rosters. My Minnesota Twins won the division with a record of 80-82. Currently I am tied with the Yankees 1-1 in the divisional series.