Wonky AI regarding contract extensions

Darkphoenix · 06-29-2007, 10:55 PM

Has anyone else noticed some goofy AI when it comes to signing contract extensions? Everything was fine in my league for the first 4 years....the league is modeled after MLB so alot of players have rather large contracts. There was one pitcher in my league who is the absolute best there is as far as starting pitchers are concerned. In the 4 years of the league he has always had 15+ wins with an era regularly below 3.00 and the last year had an era of 1.89 or so, granted it was in the equivant of the NL...but still. His stuff and movement were always between 17 and 18 and his control has always been between 13 and 15. Now here is the goofy thing....I traded to aquire this player...and it cost me 2 really good starting pitchers and an everyday 1B to aquire this pitcher, a reliever, and a backup 1B prospect who may become an everyday 1B type player given time. This pitcher is in the last year of his contract and is making 14.5 million this year (2010). I decide to get my extensions out of the way early this year....it is only May. This pitcher has a greed rating of 19 so I am really expecting a ludicrous demand of money for his contract, but the pitcher is only seeking a 2 year contract worth a total of 1.5 million???? I am like huh?!?! I decide to sign him to a 5 year 55 million dollar contract, and to be honest even this is insanely low for a pitcher of this caliber I would have expected him wanting between 16 million and 20 million a year?? I go to resign a center fielder I aquired...a steady player...but nothing special...stats between 10 and 12 across the board with a 3 star rating. This guy is only asking for $2.5 million per year when I would have expected at least 5 million a year or so?? Has anyone else noticed a severe drop in salary requests after a 4 year period like this?

Roger

Tycobbler · 06-30-2007, 02:19 AM

Roger amongst all the teams in your league are most turning a profit ? Is there alot of extra cash floating around ? The AI(players) generally know(s) how much extra money is out there to be had and base their demands around that.

injury log · 06-30-2007, 06:39 AM

Salary demands also seem to be based on player ratings (the AI evaluation percentages may affect this- I don't know). I've seen star performers request small salaries, but usually they've had a ratings hit, and don't perform well the next year. Darkphoenix- do you have scouts on? If they're off, you can see his true ratings- perhaps he's getting worse quickly. For your team's sake, I hope that's not the case...

In any event, I think salary demands and arbitration awards should be based mostly on stats. I've been playing with ratings invisible, and it's fairly easy to guess a player's ratings by his salary demands and by arbitration awards.

Darkphoenix · 06-30-2007, 01:21 PM

Roger amongst all the teams in your league are most turning a profit ? Is there alot of extra cash floating around ? The AI(players) generally know(s) how much extra money is out there to be had and base their demands around that

This is true, most of the teams are in negative financial situations at least 75% of them....but still a 2 yr. $1.5 million dollar expectation? For someone who is currently making 14 mil a year?

I've seen star performers request small salaries, but usually they've had a ratings hit, and don't perform well the next year. Darkphoenix- do you have scouts on? If they're off, you can see his true ratings- perhaps he's getting worse quickly. For your team's sake, I hope that's not the case...

Good god, I hope not...he is only 30 years old and I have yet to see anyone deteriorate before they hit 35.....I do have scouts on...but my head scout has above 17 in all areas...plus based on the guys stats and all my scouts agreeing I should have to say that the guy is still Cy Young quality material....that and in 1 month and 1/2 worth's of starts he is like 4-1 with an era well below 3.00 in an american league setting....somewhere around 2.50 I believe.....I hope not either...but if that is the case I would just have to relegate him to the bullpen if he gets too bad......I have some decent prospects and have turned a profit every year even if it meant trading away players I could have used to stay in the green and out of the red. I just don't think an asking price for a Cy Young candidate, MVP etc. should ever be this low...and even if the guy did take a hit in stats "he" "should not be aware of this" and should still demand money comparable to what he got paid last. Example....Clemens is getting paid 28 million prorated (not worth even close to that by my reckoning) for less than one year and this has to be one of the biggest gambles by any team in baseball history lol. Also, I had one of my sluggers who was making 11 Million in his last year demand 16 million in the same year as this pitcher, and he was coming off a down year where he went from hitting .320 and 50+ home runs with 136 rbi's down to .252 28 home runs and around 100 rbi's.

I do agree that salary requests should be based on past performance solely and not on ratings....a player should never have an inkling as to how they may or may not perform the following year. For my sake I hope he doesn't tank at 30 years old. I just felt it would be really taking advantage of some poor AI to resign him for 5 years at a total contract of around 5 million......

Tycobbler · 06-30-2007, 03:38 PM

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This is true, most of the teams are in negative financial situations at least 75% of them....but still a 2 yr. $1.5 million dollar expectation? For someone who is currently making 14 mil a year?

The thought being you can't ask for what isn't there.

kuma78 · 06-30-2007, 04:57 PM

I love the idea of using the word "Wonky". I keep waiting for chocolate to pop out of the screen, cause i've got a golden ticket.

SSBA · 06-30-2007, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Darkphoenix

This pitcher has a greed rating of 19 so I am really expecting a ludicrous demand of money for his contract, but the pitcher is only seeking a 2 year contract worth a total of 1.5 million???? I am like huh?!?!

You are confused - the lower the greed rating, the less money they will want. A player with a greed rating of 19 will sign well below market value.

Test this if you do not believe me - give a free agent the maximum greed and see how much they want, then give them the minimum and see how much they want.

It is weird that higher personality ratings are more desirable in some cases and less desirable in others, but that is the way they made the game. A very minor 'flaw', but one that it is very important to be aware of.

tb62388 · 07-01-2007, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SSBA

You are confused - the lower the greed rating, the less money they will want. A player with a greed rating of 19 will sign well below market value.

Test this if you do not believe me - give a free agent the maximum greed and see how much they want, then give them the minimum and see how much they want.

It is weird that higher personality ratings are more desirable in some cases and less desirable in others, but that is the way they made the game. A very minor 'flaw', but one that it is very important to be aware of.

i think he means 19 out of 20

Darkphoenix · 07-01-2007, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by SSBA

You are confused - the lower the greed rating, the less money they will want. A player with a greed rating of 19 will sign well below market value.

Test this if you do not believe me - give a free agent the maximum greed and see how much they want, then give them the minimum and see how much they want.

It is weird that higher personality ratings are more desirable in some cases and less desirable in others, but that is the way they made the game. A very minor 'flaw', but one that it is very important to be aware of.

Okay, this makes a little more sense...I was under the assumption that the higher the greed rating the greedier the player was.....still though....asking for 7.5 million a year with a 19 rating would be more in line than asking for 750,000.....financials of the league just should not matter....any sane person would make the budget work to aquire a player of this caliber.....end of June now and he has an 11-2 record with a 1.79 era.

On a seperate note...it seems like the league financials get out of whack because the teams offer ridiculous amounts of money that they really can't afford to stop players from becoming free agents...when in many instances it would be better for thier team if they just let said player become a free agent.....especially if the player is just average joe and he is asking for a 5 million per year pay increase for example......

Darkphoenix · 07-01-2007, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kuma78

I love the idea of using the word "Wonky". I keep waiting for chocolate to pop out of the screen, cause i've got a golden ticket.

Hehehe...yeah...it is a strange word for flawed.....but what can I say.....I was feelin wonky when I posted

Darkphoenix · 07-01-2007, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Darkphoenix

Hehehe...yeah...it is a strange word for flawed.....but what can I say.....I was feelin wonky when I posted

also...willy wonka rules!!!

06-29-2007, 10:55 PM	#1
Darkphoenix Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Central MA Posts: 14	Wonky AI regarding contract extensions Has anyone else noticed some goofy AI when it comes to signing contract extensions? Everything was fine in my league for the first 4 years....the league is modeled after MLB so alot of players have rather large contracts. There was one pitcher in my league who is the absolute best there is as far as starting pitchers are concerned. In the 4 years of the league he has always had 15+ wins with an era regularly below 3.00 and the last year had an era of 1.89 or so, granted it was in the equivant of the NL...but still. His stuff and movement were always between 17 and 18 and his control has always been between 13 and 15. Now here is the goofy thing....I traded to aquire this player...and it cost me 2 really good starting pitchers and an everyday 1B to aquire this pitcher, a reliever, and a backup 1B prospect who may become an everyday 1B type player given time. This pitcher is in the last year of his contract and is making 14.5 million this year (2010). I decide to get my extensions out of the way early this year....it is only May. This pitcher has a greed rating of 19 so I am really expecting a ludicrous demand of money for his contract, but the pitcher is only seeking a 2 year contract worth a total of 1.5 million???? I am like huh?!?! I decide to sign him to a 5 year 55 million dollar contract, and to be honest even this is insanely low for a pitcher of this caliber I would have expected him wanting between 16 million and 20 million a year?? I go to resign a center fielder I aquired...a steady player...but nothing special...stats between 10 and 12 across the board with a 3 star rating. This guy is only asking for $2.5 million per year when I would have expected at least 5 million a year or so?? Has anyone else noticed a severe drop in salary requests after a 4 year period like this? Roger

06-30-2007, 04:57 PM	#6
kuma78 Major Leagues Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Wake Forest, NC Posts: 437	I love the idea of using the word "Wonky". I keep waiting for chocolate to pop out of the screen, cause i've got a golden ticket. __________________ Looking for informative and entertaining Cubs baseball talk? Check out The View From The Bleachers

06-30-2007, 02:19 AM	#2
Tycobbler Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: 20 minutes from Comerica Park Posts: 2,016	Roger amongst all the teams in your league are most turning a profit ? Is there alot of extra cash floating around ? The AI(players) generally know(s) how much extra money is out there to be had and base their demands around that.

06-30-2007, 06:39 AM	#3
injury log Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Toronto Posts: 9,162	Salary demands also seem to be based on player ratings (the AI evaluation percentages may affect this- I don't know). I've seen star performers request small salaries, but usually they've had a ratings hit, and don't perform well the next year. Darkphoenix- do you have scouts on? If they're off, you can see his true ratings- perhaps he's getting worse quickly. For your team's sake, I hope that's not the case... In any event, I think salary demands and arbitration awards should be based mostly on stats. I've been playing with ratings invisible, and it's fairly easy to guess a player's ratings by his salary demands and by arbitration awards.

06-30-2007, 01:21 PM	#4
Darkphoenix Bat Boy Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Central MA Posts: 14	Roger amongst all the teams in your league are most turning a profit ? Is there alot of extra cash floating around ? The AI(players) generally know(s) how much extra money is out there to be had and base their demands around that This is true, most of the teams are in negative financial situations at least 75% of them....but still a 2 yr. $1.5 million dollar expectation? For someone who is currently making 14 mil a year? I've seen star performers request small salaries, but usually they've had a ratings hit, and don't perform well the next year. Darkphoenix- do you have scouts on? If they're off, you can see his true ratings- perhaps he's getting worse quickly. For your team's sake, I hope that's not the case... Good god, I hope not...he is only 30 years old and I have yet to see anyone deteriorate before they hit 35.....I do have scouts on...but my head scout has above 17 in all areas...plus based on the guys stats and all my scouts agreeing I should have to say that the guy is still Cy Young quality material....that and in 1 month and 1/2 worth's of starts he is like 4-1 with an era well below 3.00 in an american league setting....somewhere around 2.50 I believe.....I hope not either...but if that is the case I would just have to relegate him to the bullpen if he gets too bad......I have some decent prospects and have turned a profit every year even if it meant trading away players I could have used to stay in the green and out of the red. I just don't think an asking price for a Cy Young candidate, MVP etc. should ever be this low...and even if the guy did take a hit in stats "he" "should not be aware of this" and should still demand money comparable to what he got paid last. Example....Clemens is getting paid 28 million prorated (not worth even close to that by my reckoning) for less than one year and this has to be one of the biggest gambles by any team in baseball history lol. Also, I had one of my sluggers who was making 11 Million in his last year demand 16 million in the same year as this pitcher, and he was coming off a down year where he went from hitting .320 and 50+ home runs with 136 rbi's down to .252 28 home runs and around 100 rbi's. I do agree that salary requests should be based on past performance solely and not on ratings....a player should never have an inkling as to how they may or may not perform the following year. For my sake I hope he doesn't tank at 30 years old. I just felt it would be really taking advantage of some poor AI to resign him for 5 years at a total contract of around 5 million......