Free Agent Compensation Bug

aewin · 06-18-2007, 11:02 PM

I couldn't post on the Technical Support Forum so here goes.

In my online league using OOTP2007 I have found a couple of bugs:

1) The game doesn't pick up all the Free Agent signings of Type A and Type B (and I am not talking about where a signing team's pick has already been given away).

2) Sometimes (approximately 50% in this last draft) the game recognises the signing and sends the GM a message say compensation received, but the draft order is not amended to reflect it.

Can someone please log this as an issue. Thanks.

injury log · 06-19-2007, 05:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aewin

I couldn't post on the Technical Support Forum so here goes.

In my online league using OOTP2007 I have found a couple of bugs:

1) The game doesn't pick up all the Free Agent signings of Type A and Type B (and I am not talking about where a signing team's pick has already been given away).

2) Sometimes (approximately 50% in this last draft) the game recognises the signing and sends the GM a message say compensation received, but the draft order is not amended to reflect it.

Can someone please log this as an issue. Thanks.

The first half of the first round is always protected from compensation, so roughly half of type A free agents sign with no comp picks changing hands. The game still sends a message saying that compensation has been awarded, however, which I think it shouldn't do. This is the only situation where I've seen comp picks not change hands, other than when a team signs two free agents of the same Type. There is one other possible issue; the game sometimes changes an FA's compensation category as the offseason progresses (it seems to be at least partly based on ratings), so a player who was type B at the beginning of the off-season might become a no-comp FA at the end. I'm not sure whether this still happens in the latest patch.

I've already posted a few FA compensation issues in Tech Support, at least one of which was logged, but it seems there are higher priorities at the moment, so it may be a while before it is improved.

ctorg · 06-19-2007, 08:34 AM

moved to tech support

aewin · 06-19-2007, 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by injury log

The first half of the first round is always protected from compensation, so roughly half of type A free agents sign with no comp picks changing hands. The game still sends a message saying that compensation has been awarded, however, which I think it shouldn't do. This is the only situation where I've seen comp picks not change hands, other than when a team signs two free agents of the same Type. There is one other possible issue; the game sometimes changes an FA's compensation category as the offseason progresses (it seems to be at least partly based on ratings), so a player who was type B at the beginning of the off-season might become a no-comp FA at the end. I'm not sure whether this still happens in the latest patch.

I've already posted a few FA compensation issues in Tech Support, at least one of which was logged, but it seems there are higher priorities at the moment, so it may be a while before it is improved.

According to page 383 of the game manual, no picks are protected in OOTP. It notes the variation with MLB.

Nutlaw · 06-19-2007, 07:25 PM

Aewin, does injury log's explanation seem to fit what you are seeing? Regardless of what the manual might say, his explanation is correct.

Injury log, is the issue with the inaccurate compensation pick message logged? Did you observe that behavior using the latest patch?

injury log · 06-19-2007, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutlaw

Injury log, is the issue with the inaccurate compensation pick message logged? Did you observe that behavior using the latest patch?

It wasn't logged as part of the FA compensation issues I posted about previously; if it's logged elsewhere, I don't know. This behaviour does occur with the latest patch (I've just tested to confirm). There are two related issues with messages about Type A FA compensation picks:

-when you lose an FA to a team in the bottom half of the league, you are informed you will receive a comp pick, but you do not;

-if you finish in the bottom half of the league and sign a Type A FA, you are told that you will lose a first round draft choice, but you do not.

Nutlaw · 06-19-2007, 08:18 PM

TT 3713 for the mail generation issue. As far as you know, injury log, the actual transfer of picks is working properly?

aewin · 06-19-2007, 08:50 PM

No it isn't. Details Below:

I have been back to the backups and identified the following signed FAs:

Type A: J Edmonds, A Jones, J Witasick, S Shields, J Lieber, M Bradley, J Wright, D Reyes.

Type B: E Guardado, E Yan, M MacDougal, B Colon.

I have amended the draft order accordingly.

Still remaining Type A free agents are Jason Johnson, Scott Elarton and Kip Wells.

Type A free agents who retired include Smoltz, Helling, Anderson, Lidle, May, Ortiz, Wilson, Redman, Mays and Armas Jr.

The only oddities are no compensation for S Shields because LAA lost him and signed him and no compensation for J Wright because TBD’s first pick was already gone for J Witasick.

My manual draft order:

First Round

Picks Due 10.00am 20 June
1 OAK (from TBD for Jay Witasick Type A) not sure if message sent
2 WAS
3 STL
4 FLO (from SFG for Dennys Reyes Type A) message sent
5 LAN (from BOS for Andruuw Jones Type A) message sent

Picks Due 10.00am 21 June
6 KCR
7 CHC
8 CIN
9 BAL
10 TEX

Picks Due 10.00am 22 June
11 FLO (from LAA for Jon Lieber Type A) message sent
12 SDP
13 NYM
14 OAK
15 DET

Picks Due 10.00am 23 June
16 ATL
17 PIT
18 MIL
19 HOU
20 CIN (from NYY for Jim Edmonds Type A) not sure if message sent

Picks Due 10.00am 24 June
21 PHI
22 SEA
23 FLO
24 MIN
25 CLE

Picks Due 10.00am 25 June
26 FLO (from CHW for Chad Durbin Type A) no message sent
27 ARI
28 TOR
29 COL
30 DET (from LAN for Milton Bradley Type A) not sure if message sent

Second Round

Picks Due 10.00am 26 June
1 TBD
2 WAS
3 SDP (from STL for Esteban Yan Type B) not sure if message sent
4 SFG
5 BOS

Picks Due 10.00am 27 June
6 KCR
7 CHC
8 CIN
9 BAL
10 TEX

Picks Due 10.00am 28 June
11 LAA
12 SDP
13 TOR (from NYM for Eddie Guardado Type B) not sure if message sent
14 OAK
15 DET

Picks Due 10.00am 29 June
16 ATL
17 PIT
18 MIL
19 HOU
20 LAA (from NYY for Bartolo Colon Type B) not sure if message sent

Picks Due 10.00am 30 June
21 PHI
22 SEA
23 FLO
24 MIN
25 CLE

Picks Due 10.00am 1 July
26 CHW
27 ARI
28 KCR (from TOR for Mike MacDougal Type B) not sure if message sent
29 COL
30 LAD

I'll post the OOTP2007 game draft order in a second.

aewin · 06-19-2007, 08:56 PM

Game Draft Order Round 1:

TBD
WAS
STL
SFG
BOS
KCR
CHC
CIN
BAL
TEX
LAA
SDP
NYM
OAK
DET
ATL
PIT
MIL
HOU
CIN
PHI
SEA
FLO
MIN
CLE
FLO
ARI
TOR
COL
LAD

injury log · 06-19-2007, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nutlaw

TT 3713 for the mail generation issue. As far as you know, injury log, the actual transfer of picks is working properly?

Yes, in solo fictional play, from the examples I've looked at it, and knowing how the game assigns compensation picks, I can reliably predict how compensation will be awarded. Whether the game sometimes makes mistakes I don't know, but I've personally never seen a problem. So I think it's working as intended, though not quite like real life MLB compensation, obviously.

Aewin, I've compared your expected first round with OOTP's first round draft order, and bearing in mind that the first 15 picks are protected in OOTP, I only noticed one pick- pick 30- that didn't correspond in the two lists. Did I miss any? When did you take note of a player's compensation Type, and when did the free agent signings happen?

aewin · 06-20-2007, 02:41 AM

Where does it say OOTP protects picks 1-15? I can find no reference to this in the manual. I don't accept that it is intended that picks 1-15 are protected given what the manual says and given that the game issues a message (at least in certian circumstances) saying compensation applies. In any event the game didn't deal with FA compensation for Milton Bradley at pick 30.

There is clearly a bug relating to messages and also a bug relating to compensation (whatever system of compensation is intended to apply, it doesn't work properly).

I took note of FA type at the date of FA filing (22 November).

I think it also missed compensation in the second round, but i'll have to wait before I can check that.

aewin · 06-20-2007, 03:38 AM

Steve ... please see this discussion re the description of FA compensation in the manual.

injury log · 06-20-2007, 06:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aewin

Where does it say OOTP protects picks 1-15? I can find no reference to this in the manual.

This was changed in a 2006 patch to reflect what happens in real life MLB. I'd imagine the manual wasn't updated to reflect the change.

Quote:

Originally Posted by aewin

I took note of FA type at the date of FA filing (22 November).

FA compensation type seems to be partly determined by a player's ratings, and can change over time; this seems rare, but it does happen. It is possible that Bradley was Type A on Nov 22, and Type B when he signed. If that is the case, then you should see the effect in the 2nd round.

aewin · 06-20-2007, 08:54 PM

No effect in second round I am pretty sure for Bradley.

Nutlaw · 06-25-2007, 07:23 PM

TT 3713 has been claimed fixed for the next patch. If you do not find it to be fixed when the next patch is released, please post to that effect in Tech Support along with this TT number. Thanks.

06-18-2007, 11:02 PM	#1
aewin Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 447	Free Agent Compensation Bug I couldn't post on the Technical Support Forum so here goes. In my online league using OOTP2007 I have found a couple of bugs: 1) The game doesn't pick up all the Free Agent signings of Type A and Type B (and I am not talking about where a signing team's pick has already been given away). 2) Sometimes (approximately 50% in this last draft) the game recognises the signing and sends the GM a message say compensation received, but the draft order is not amended to reflect it. Can someone please log this as an issue. Thanks.

06-19-2007, 08:34 AM	#3
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06-19-2007, 07:25 PM	#5
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	Aewin, does injury log's explanation seem to fit what you are seeing? Regardless of what the manual might say, his explanation is correct. Injury log, is the issue with the inaccurate compensation pick message logged? Did you observe that behavior using the latest patch? Last edited by Nutlaw; 06-19-2007 at 07:26 PM.

06-19-2007, 08:50 PM	#8
aewin Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 447	No it isn't. Details Below: I have been back to the backups and identified the following signed FAs: Type A: J Edmonds, A Jones, J Witasick, S Shields, J Lieber, M Bradley, J Wright, D Reyes. Type B: E Guardado, E Yan, M MacDougal, B Colon. I have amended the draft order accordingly. Still remaining Type A free agents are Jason Johnson, Scott Elarton and Kip Wells. Type A free agents who retired include Smoltz, Helling, Anderson, Lidle, May, Ortiz, Wilson, Redman, Mays and Armas Jr. The only oddities are no compensation for S Shields because LAA lost him and signed him and no compensation for J Wright because TBD’s first pick was already gone for J Witasick. My manual draft order: First Round Picks Due 10.00am 20 June 1 OAK (from TBD for Jay Witasick Type A) not sure if message sent 2 WAS 3 STL 4 FLO (from SFG for Dennys Reyes Type A) message sent 5 LAN (from BOS for Andruuw Jones Type A) message sent Picks Due 10.00am 21 June 6 KCR 7 CHC 8 CIN 9 BAL 10 TEX Picks Due 10.00am 22 June 11 FLO (from LAA for Jon Lieber Type A) message sent 12 SDP 13 NYM 14 OAK 15 DET Picks Due 10.00am 23 June 16 ATL 17 PIT 18 MIL 19 HOU 20 CIN (from NYY for Jim Edmonds Type A) not sure if message sent Picks Due 10.00am 24 June 21 PHI 22 SEA 23 FLO 24 MIN 25 CLE Picks Due 10.00am 25 June 26 FLO (from CHW for Chad Durbin Type A) no message sent 27 ARI 28 TOR 29 COL 30 DET (from LAN for Milton Bradley Type A) not sure if message sent Second Round Picks Due 10.00am 26 June 1 TBD 2 WAS 3 SDP (from STL for Esteban Yan Type B) not sure if message sent 4 SFG 5 BOS Picks Due 10.00am 27 June 6 KCR 7 CHC 8 CIN 9 BAL 10 TEX Picks Due 10.00am 28 June 11 LAA 12 SDP 13 TOR (from NYM for Eddie Guardado Type B) not sure if message sent 14 OAK 15 DET Picks Due 10.00am 29 June 16 ATL 17 PIT 18 MIL 19 HOU 20 LAA (from NYY for Bartolo Colon Type B) not sure if message sent Picks Due 10.00am 30 June 21 PHI 22 SEA 23 FLO 24 MIN 25 CLE Picks Due 10.00am 1 July 26 CHW 27 ARI 28 KCR (from TOR for Mike MacDougal Type B) not sure if message sent 29 COL 30 LAD I'll post the OOTP2007 game draft order in a second. Last edited by aewin; 06-19-2007 at 08:59 PM.

06-20-2007, 02:41 AM	#11
aewin Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 447	Where does it say OOTP protects picks 1-15? I can find no reference to this in the manual. I don't accept that it is intended that picks 1-15 are protected given what the manual says and given that the game issues a message (at least in certian circumstances) saying compensation applies. In any event the game didn't deal with FA compensation for Milton Bradley at pick 30. There is clearly a bug relating to messages and also a bug relating to compensation (whatever system of compensation is intended to apply, it doesn't work properly). I took note of FA type at the date of FA filing (22 November). I think it also missed compensation in the second round, but i'll have to wait before I can check that. Last edited by aewin; 06-20-2007 at 03:38 AM.

06-19-2007, 08:18 PM	#7
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	TT 3713 for the mail generation issue. As far as you know, injury log, the actual transfer of picks is working properly?

06-19-2007, 08:56 PM	#9
aewin Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 447	Game Draft Order Round 1: TBD WAS STL SFG BOS KCR CHC CIN BAL TEX LAA SDP NYM OAK DET ATL PIT MIL HOU CIN PHI SEA FLO MIN CLE FLO ARI TOR COL LAD

06-20-2007, 03:38 AM	#12
aewin Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 447	Ping Battists Steve ... please see this discussion re the description of FA compensation in the manual.

06-20-2007, 08:54 PM	#14
aewin Major Leagues Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Perth, Western Australia Posts: 447	No effect in second round I am pretty sure for Bradley.

06-25-2007, 07:23 PM	#15
Nutlaw Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 9,538	TT 3713 has been claimed fixed for the next patch. If you do not find it to be fixed when the next patch is released, please post to that effect in Tech Support along with this TT number. Thanks.