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CONN CHRIS · 06-17-2006, 11:24 AM

Scott Gammer took the British strap last night. Have any of you folks over there seen enough of him to comment? He hasn't fought much outside of Wales, much less the UK but I am curious about his how talented he may or may not be.

mh2365 · 06-17-2006, 07:11 PM

Just to be my usual difficult self ... I'll say he's highly overrated. LOL

a87star · 06-17-2006, 07:18 PM

It seems like these british fighters are good domestically but on the world scene they seem to not be as advertised. You do have the exception of course but that is like 1 out of every 5 or 10 fighters.

mh2365 · 06-17-2006, 11:22 PM

there are definitely exceptions that I have to eat my words on (Calzaghe) but for the most part, british fighters are always seen as the second coming of Christ, usually turns out to be just a case of indegestion though.

Calzaghe appears to be as good as advertised. I can get behind Hatton, now esp. after coming over hear and winning ugly despite all the outside obstacles he faced. Khan looks like he'll be good.

a87star · 06-17-2006, 11:50 PM

Calzaghe and Hatton are definitely the real deal. I have never seen Khan fight so I am not sure about him. Hopefully he will be on TV soon or someone will upload one of his fights. People say he is good and his amateur career proves that.

CONN CHRIS · 06-18-2006, 08:19 AM

Maybe I can turn all this negative attention around here to the French fighters.

Lost in the shuffle last night was the fact that Frances HW 'champion' Steve Herelius had what will likely be his one 2006 fight. Now he needs to rest up while his people line something up for the spring of 2007.

mh2365 · 06-18-2006, 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by CONN CHRIS

Maybe I can turn all this negative attention around here to the French fighters.

Lost in the shuffle last night was the fact that Frances HW 'champion' Steve Herelius had what will likely be his one 2006 fight. Now he needs to rest up while his people line something up for the spring of 2007.

did he surrender?

CONN CHRIS · 06-18-2006, 08:34 AM

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did he surrender?

No, how could he when he gets to fight patsies with a year's rest between fights?

Seriously though, either he is a head case or his handlers are utterly inept; perhaps both. He seems to be just pissing away whatever career he might have had.

CONN CHRIS · 06-18-2006, 08:35 AM

So, no one has seen Gammer?

mh2365 · 06-18-2006, 10:44 AM

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So, no one has seen Gammer?

This is why we need a boxing network. So they can broadcast replays or even live fights from other countries.

Dave1877 · 06-18-2006, 11:40 AM

Gammer is a real powerhouse, he can bang with either fist and is effective to both head and body. Unfortunately the fight wasn't shown on TV over here so I haven't seen it yet. His main weapon is his thundering left hook. Time will tell how far he can go, personally I don't see him ever being a threat to the world scene. Possibly European level though.

Ronnie · 06-18-2006, 12:30 PM

Havn't seen him recently but from what I recall he seems a reasonable prospect. I don't see him going far. On a TBCB2 level I would say an overall rating of 4 would be about right in my opinion.

bp_ · 06-18-2006, 12:40 PM

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Calzaghe and Hatton are definitely the real deal. I have never seen Khan fight so I am not sure about him. Hopefully he will be on TV soon or someone will upload one of his fights. People say he is good and his amateur career proves that.

Hatton didn't look like the real deal to me in his last fight. In fact, he looks pretty beatable.

a87star · 06-18-2006, 12:42 PM

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Hatton didn't look like the real deal to me in his last fight. In fact, he looks pretty beatable.

At WW he is very beatable. If he moved back to JWW, Hatton would rule that division for quite a while.

mh2365 · 06-18-2006, 12:56 PM

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Hatton didn't look like the real deal to me in his last fight. In fact, he looks pretty beatable.

So the fact that it was really his first fight on American soil, the other time he was buried on an undercard. He was facing a hostile crowd for the first time. He was at a new weight for the first time. He was finally free of Frank Warren. And he still managed to beat a very, very good fighter didn't do anything for you?

Obviously you are very hard to impress.

a87star · 06-18-2006, 01:28 PM

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So the fact that it was really his first fight on American soil, the other time he was buried on an undercard. He was facing a hostile crowd for the first time. He was at a new weight for the first time. He was finally free of Frank Warren. And he still managed to beat a very, very good fighter didn't do anything for you?

Obviously you are very hard to impress.

I think he did quite a good job against Collazo who was bigger. He was fighting at a new weight and the crowd was against him and Hatton fought his fight the best wat he could and still got a victory. The performance was not his best but given the circumstances he did alright.
That said I still think Hatton's best weight is JWW and he would rule that class if he went back down.

jas80s · 06-18-2006, 02:54 PM

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Gammer is a real powerhouse, he can bang with either fist and is effective to both head and body. Unfortunately the fight wasn't shown on TV over here so I haven't seen it yet. His main weapon is his thundering left hook. Time will tell how far he can go, personally I don't see him ever being a threat to the world scene. Possibly European level though.

I think the European scene is the world scene in the HW division these days.

If the wants to fight second level HW's perhaps he should come to the US and take on some Americans.

I know the point you are making, but I find it funny how dramatically the landscape has changed in boxing.

Jeff

CONN CHRIS · 06-18-2006, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave1877

Gammer is a real powerhouse, he can bang with either fist and is effective to both head and body. Unfortunately the fight wasn't shown on TV over here so I haven't seen it yet. His main weapon is his thundering left hook. Time will tell how far he can go, personally I don't see him ever being a threat to the world scene. Possibly European level though.

Thanks for the comments. And I agree with you Mike about a boxing network. That would certainly entice me to become a cable subscriber.

I would love to have a chance to see some of these fighters even on a one-month tape delay. Heck, I would even happily pay for and watch Steve Herelius' annual bouts.

CONN CHRIS · 06-18-2006, 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave1877

Gammer is a real powerhouse, he can bang with either fist and is effective to both head and body. Unfortunately the fight wasn't shown on TV over here so I haven't seen it yet. His main weapon is his thundering left hook. Time will tell how far he can go, personally I don't see him ever being a threat to the world scene. Possibly European level though.

On another note, would any of the better known Brits take a chance on fighting him? That would be a start at least in seeing what he's made of. Of course, there would be no up side for Williams, Skelton, et al so it likely won't ever happen.

Dave1877 · 06-24-2006, 10:00 AM

To be honest I can see one of the well known British guys taking Gammer on in the near future. He's getting big in the UK now and he's British champion and there would be real interest in Gammer-Skelton or Gammer-Williams. There was actually talk of Audley Harrison fighting Gammer not so long ago. You're right, the result of his fights against the likes of Williams will show where he can go.

06-17-2006, 11:24 AM	#1
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,011	Friends Across The Pond Scott Gammer took the British strap last night. Have any of you folks over there seen enough of him to comment? He hasn't fought much outside of Wales, much less the UK but I am curious about his how talented he may or may not be. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

06-18-2006, 08:19 AM	#6
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,011	Maybe I can turn all this negative attention around here to the French fighters. Lost in the shuffle last night was the fact that Frances HW 'champion' Steve Herelius had what will likely be his one 2006 fight. Now he needs to rest up while his people line something up for the spring of 2007. __________________ Check Out My Cards!

06-18-2006, 08:35 AM	#9
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,011	So, no one has seen Gammer? __________________ Check Out My Cards!

06-17-2006, 07:11 PM	#2
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Just to be my usual difficult self ... I'll say he's highly overrated. LOL

06-17-2006, 07:18 PM	#3
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,850	It seems like these british fighters are good domestically but on the world scene they seem to not be as advertised. You do have the exception of course but that is like 1 out of every 5 or 10 fighters.

06-17-2006, 11:22 PM	#4
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	there are definitely exceptions that I have to eat my words on (Calzaghe) but for the most part, british fighters are always seen as the second coming of Christ, usually turns out to be just a case of indegestion though. Calzaghe appears to be as good as advertised. I can get behind Hatton, now esp. after coming over hear and winning ugly despite all the outside obstacles he faced. Khan looks like he'll be good.

06-17-2006, 11:50 PM	#5
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,850	Calzaghe and Hatton are definitely the real deal. I have never seen Khan fight so I am not sure about him. Hopefully he will be on TV soon or someone will upload one of his fights. People say he is good and his amateur career proves that.

06-18-2006, 11:40 AM	#11
Dave1877 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: West Midlands, United Kingdom Posts: 488	Gammer is a real powerhouse, he can bang with either fist and is effective to both head and body. Unfortunately the fight wasn't shown on TV over here so I haven't seen it yet. His main weapon is his thundering left hook. Time will tell how far he can go, personally I don't see him ever being a threat to the world scene. Possibly European level though.

06-18-2006, 12:30 PM	#12
Ronnie Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 52	Havn't seen him recently but from what I recall he seems a reasonable prospect. I don't see him going far. On a TBCB2 level I would say an overall rating of 4 would be about right in my opinion.

06-24-2006, 10:00 AM	#20
Dave1877 Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: West Midlands, United Kingdom Posts: 488	To be honest I can see one of the well known British guys taking Gammer on in the near future. He's getting big in the UK now and he's British champion and there would be real interest in Gammer-Skelton or Gammer-Williams. There was actually talk of Audley Harrison fighting Gammer not so long ago. You're right, the result of his fights against the likes of Williams will show where he can go.