Minor League options in 2007?

JTSMOOTH · 02-28-2007, 05:03 PM

Just a quick question for the beta testers or those in the know, have the minor league options been fixed for version 2007?

For example, in previous versions, a player who is out of options, can sit at the minor league level forever despite being out of options, so long as the player is on the 40 man roster....

Trying to decide if I want to purchase the game, so I'm curious if this ever got fixed?

Solonor · 02-28-2007, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JTSMOOTH

Just a quick question for the beta testers or those in the know, have the minor league options been fixed for version 2007?

For example, in previous versions, a player who is out of options, can sit at the minor league level forever despite being out of options, so long as the player is on the 40 man roster....

Trying to decide if I want to purchase the game, so I'm curious if this ever got fixed?

Just tested. You cannot avoid minor league free agency simply by putting a guy on the 40-man roster. If he's out of option years and has the service time, he will become a free agent unless you sign him to a contract extension.

Le Grande Orange · 03-01-2007, 03:27 AM

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Just tested. You cannot avoid minor league free agency simply by putting a guy on the 40-man roster. If he's out of option years and has the service time, he will become a free agent unless you sign him to a contract extension.

Interesting note about this: it is commonly stated that a minor leaguer achieves free agency after six years of service.

This is incorrect.

A minor leaguer only achieves free agency after seven years of service. From what the uniform minor league contract states, the player is signed to a one-year deal, which can be renewed unilaterally by the club up to six more times. That adds up to seven years of service being required to achieve minor league free agency.

CobaltJays · 03-01-2007, 07:59 AM

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Just tested. You cannot avoid minor league free agency simply by putting a guy on the 40-man roster.

Which is unfortunate because in real life players on the 40-man roster aren't eligible for minor league free agency.

The Wolf · 03-01-2007, 08:02 AM

Oddly enough, back in the Colonial Era indentured servants had to endure seven years of servitude before they became "free agents."

marky32082 · 03-01-2007, 09:56 AM

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Oddly enough, back in the Colonial Era indentured servants had to endure seven years of servitude before they became "free agents."

You know, I always thought the title "Player Under Minor League Contract" was a bit too wordy. Now I'll just call all those guys indentured servants.

JTSMOOTH · 03-01-2007, 02:01 PM

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Just tested. You cannot avoid minor league free agency simply by putting a guy on the 40-man roster. If he's out of option years and has the service time, he will become a free agent unless you sign him to a contract extension.

Well I guess I need to better explain myself...Though that is definitely disappointing news, as thats the complete opposite of how it should happen...

My question is, have the Minor League options been fixed to require a player who is out of options to be exposed to waivers before being sent to the minors, as it happens in the MLB? or does the game still allow a team to keep a player at the minor league level, even though he is out of options?

Solonor · 03-01-2007, 02:14 PM

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Well I guess I need to better explain myself...Though that is definitely disappointing news, as thats the complete opposite of how it should happen...

My question is, have the Minor League options been fixed to require a player who is out of options to be exposed to waivers before being sent to the minors, as it happens in the MLB? or does the game still allow a team to keep a player at the minor league level, even though he is out of options?

If the guy is out of options, what would trigger him to go on waivers before being sent to the minors if he's already in the minors?

Scott Vibert · 03-01-2007, 02:23 PM

This is an issue with the way the game works. In MLB the 25 man roster does not exist during the offseason. As a result all players who are on the 40 man are (in OOTP terms) on the active roster. Once the regular season begins (again in OOTP terms) all those guys on the 40 man roster who aren't being put on the 25 man active roster would be demoted (sent to minor league camp)

disposableheros · 03-01-2007, 03:08 PM

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...have the Minor League options been fixed to require a player who is out of options to be exposed to waivers before being sent to the minors, as it happens in the MLB?

no

skywalkr2 · 03-01-2007, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Vibert

This is an issue with the way the game works. In MLB the 25 man roster does not exist during the offseason. As a result all players who are on the 40 man are (in OOTP terms) on the active roster. Once the regular season begins (again in OOTP terms) all those guys on the 40 man roster who aren't being put on the 25 man active roster would be demoted (sent to minor league camp)

This is why I read these boards - learn something new every day...

JTSMOOTH · 03-01-2007, 04:39 PM

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Blah...well thats disappointing...

Solonor · 03-01-2007, 04:49 PM

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Blah...well thats disappointing...

I still don't understand the question.

If the guy is in the minors and he's out of option years, what is supposed to trigger him going to waivers?

If he is in the majors and he's out of option years, and you try to send him to the minors, he does need to go on waivers.

The spring training thing is kind of different. If he's on the active roster during ST, most people I know don't want the normal waiver rules to apply (same with losing option years if they get sent back to the minors before the season starts). So, I'm not sure people would be happy if every player who was out of options in spring training needed to go on waivers before the season starts.

Le Grande Orange · 03-01-2007, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Scott Vibert

This is an issue with the way the game works. In MLB the 25 man roster does not exist during the offseason. As a result all players who are on the 40 man are (in OOTP terms) on the active roster. Once the regular season begins (again in OOTP terms) all those guys on the 40 man roster who aren't being put on the 25 man active roster would be demoted (sent to minor league camp)

This is an area which needs to be looked at for next year (it's unlikely a change of this nature could be at this point for this year I would expect).

One way to handle it would be to allow setting different roster limits for different time periods during a year. This would also have the benefit of allowing early season roster expansion (a feature of major league seasons up until 1968).

Either that, or code the game so that it automatically changes the active roster limit to equal the secondary roster limit (or more accurately titled the reserve limit) setting when it hits the off-season.

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If the guy is in the minors and he's out of option years, what is supposed to trigger him going to waivers?

Strictly speaking, sometimes even if a player does have options left he may still have to clear waivers before being sent down to the minors.

JTSMOOTH · 03-01-2007, 10:41 PM

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I still don't understand the question.

If the guy is in the minors and he's out of option years, what is supposed to trigger him going to waivers?

From Sept 1st through opening day, Major League roster limit is 40.

Obviously once opening day rolls around, teams are forced to trim their big league roster down to 25, so those players that are a part of the 40 man roster but do no make the 25 man roster are "optioned" to the minor leagues....

In the MLB, those players that are out of options, will be exposed to waivers, regardless of whether they have played at the MLB level or spent their entire careers in the minor leagues.

Currently in OOTP, a team can keep a player who is out of options at the minor league level for as long as they see fit as long as they keep him on the 40 man roster.

I think it takes away a huge amount of strategy that comes with the 40 man rosters and options and would love to see this fixed.

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The spring training thing is kind of different. If he's on the active roster during ST, most people I know don't want the normal waiver rules to apply (same with losing option years if they get sent back to the minors before the season starts). So, I'm not sure people would be happy if every player who was out of options in spring training needed to go on waivers before the season starts.

I don't doubt that there are those who would prefer to keep it as is, just the same as I know people(my self included) that would like to see the 40 man roster/options function as it does in real life to add more strategy to the game.

IMO, it seems rather silly to have the options work in some instances, yet be ignored in others.

JT

Solonor · 03-02-2007, 12:07 AM

Ok, now we're getting somewhere...

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From Sept 1st through opening day, Major League roster limit is 40.

Not in OOTP. The rosters are only expanded from Sept 1 thru the end of the regular season. Once the regular season ends, the Active Roster is back to 25. If you try to move a player off the active roster who is out of options, he will have to go through waivers.

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Originally Posted by JTSMOOTH

Obviously once opening day rolls around, teams are forced to trim their big league roster down to 25, so those players that are a part of the 40 man roster but do no make the 25 man roster are "optioned" to the minor leagues...

In the MLB, those players that are out of options, will be exposed to waivers, regardless of whether they have played at the MLB level or spent their entire careers in the minor leagues.

There is a loophole in OOTP in spring training, as I said. During spring training, you can move a player freely to the minors and it doesn't care about options. Once the season starts, if you try to move a player with no option years to the minors, you must put him through waivers.

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Currently in OOTP, a team can keep a player who is out of options at the minor league level for as long as they see fit as long as they keep him on the 40 man roster.

Not if you turn on minor league free agency. Options don't matter, but at least the player can't be allowed to sit in the minors forever.

I don't see a problem.

CobaltJays · 03-02-2007, 12:46 AM

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I don't see a problem.

The problem is that this isn't the way things work in real life. Basically what you're saying is that inaccuracies in the game have been resolved by making other things inaccurate. That's unsatisfactory for people who want transaction rules reasonably close to the way they are in the major leagues. The game is clearly trying to mimic real life by having things like the 40-man roster, options and minor league free agency, so why not take the next step and make them work as they should?

These are things that bugged me in 6.5, and it looks like they'll still bug me in 2007.

Le Grande Orange · 03-02-2007, 01:08 AM

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These are things that bugged me in 6.5, and it looks like they'll still bug me in 2007.

Roster-related rules are going to be one of my areas of focus when it comes to suggestions for OOTP2008. And not just current rules, but past ones as well. Free agency in 1979 was not like free agency in 1999, for example.

I just have to put together a convincing case that such rule options are worthy of being included...

The Wolf · 03-02-2007, 01:26 AM

Roster sizes varied over the years as well. I saw a table showing the various years and sizes in a book once and there were more than a few changes.

Le Grande Orange · 03-02-2007, 01:37 AM

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Roster sizes varied over the years as well. I saw a table showing the various years and sizes in a book once and there were more than a few changes.

Recommended reading in this regard:

http://mysite.verizon.net/brak2.0/rules.htm

02-28-2007, 05:03 PM	#1
JTSMOOTH Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Arizona Posts: 462	Minor League options in 2007? Just a quick question for the beta testers or those in the know, have the minor league options been fixed for version 2007? For example, in previous versions, a player who is out of options, can sit at the minor league level forever despite being out of options, so long as the player is on the 40 man roster.... Trying to decide if I want to purchase the game, so I'm curious if this ever got fixed?

03-01-2007, 02:23 PM	#9
Scott Vibert Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: My Computer Posts: 8,249	This is an issue with the way the game works. In MLB the 25 man roster does not exist during the offseason. As a result all players who are on the 40 man are (in OOTP terms) on the active roster. Once the regular season begins (again in OOTP terms) all those guys on the 40 man roster who aren't being put on the 25 man active roster would be demoted (sent to minor league camp)