Larry Bowa good?

Jason Moyer · 05-10-2005, 06:33 PM

I'm starting to wonder if Bowa might be a better manager than people give him credit for.

Phillies under Francona:

.420
.463
.475
.401

Under Bowa:

.531
.497
.531
.531

So far under Manuel:

.455

Obviously there are sample size issues with Manuel (33 games), but things don't seem very promising.

benchwarmer · 05-10-2005, 08:28 PM

He was pretty good at getting pissed off and booted out of games..

marc · 05-10-2005, 08:30 PM

He was a better manager than people gave him credit for that's for sure, I really didn't think he should have been fired as I believe the problems facing that organization start much higher up. On top of that, the team he had was about the softest team I've ever seen, It was like everytime Dad (Bowa) yelled at them they ran and cried to Mom (Ed Wade, newspaper writers, etc.). It was kind of pathetic seeing it all transpire over the last few years.

Jim Tracy · 05-10-2005, 08:32 PM

Was Larry Bowa a good manager?

I'd say so.

Was he the best?

Probably not but he was very good.

benchwarmer · 05-10-2005, 08:38 PM

i wonder if any other manager has managed the same club to the same winning % 75% of the time of his stay? 53.1 3 outta 4 years.

Karros270 · 05-10-2005, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by benchwarmer

i wonder if any other manager has managed the same club to the same winning % 75% of the time of his stay? 53.1 3 outta 4 years.

At least he was consistent.

benchwarmer · 05-10-2005, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Karros270

At least he was consistent.

Yeah but with never winning more the 53% of the games 3 outta 4 years with the amount of talent on the team...no wonder he was fired..

Karros270 · 05-10-2005, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by benchwarmer

Yeah but with never winning more the 53% of the games 3 outta 4 years with the amount of talent on the team...no wonder he was fired..

But that's better than losing 53% of your games. In fact, that's better than Francona or Manuel was able to do. Clearly Bowa is the best man for the job.

benchwarmer · 05-10-2005, 09:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Karros270

But that's better than losing 53% of your games.

Well, its not like 6% is that far off...

Karros270 · 05-10-2005, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by benchwarmer

Well, its not like 6% is that far off...

In this case it's the difference between a winning season and a losing season.

benchwarmer · 05-10-2005, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Karros270

In this case it's the difference between a winning season and a losing season.

True, a good point. But dont you think a team with as much talent those phillies had would be considered a bust if only winning 53% of your game 3 outta 4 years? Thats like the Sox only winning 53% of there games or somthing...would be considered a bust by many...

rudel.dietrich · 05-10-2005, 09:37 PM

He does a pretty good job on ESPN I think

Meth_Lab_for_Rudy · 05-10-2005, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Tracy

Was Larry Bowa a good manager?

I'd say so.

Was he the best?

Probably not but he was very good.

We need to get a Jim Tracy/Joe Morgan round table discussion going.

El Cid Part II · 05-10-2005, 10:14 PM

Larry Bowa good
Fire bad

Melo · 05-10-2005, 10:35 PM

Good manager but hamstrung by the fact that eventually he gets everyone pissed off at him.

marc · 05-10-2005, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by benchwarmer

Yeah but with never winning more the 53% of the games 3 outta 4 years with the amount of talent on the team...no wonder he was fired..

The Phillies so called "talent" is a group of the most overrated players in baseball, outside of maybe the Yankees and Mets (until this year for the mets).

Karros270 · 05-11-2005, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by benchwarmer

True, a good point. But dont you think a team with as much talent those phillies had would be considered a bust if only winning 53% of your game 3 outta 4 years? Thats like the Sox only winning 53% of there games or somthing...would be considered a bust by many...

You'd think wouldn't you but no one else has yet shown that they can do better. Maybe Bowa was overachieving and fans like GR will soon be clamoring for the good ol' days when Bowa was the manager and they at least had hope.

marc · 05-11-2005, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Karros270

You'd think wouldn't you but no one else has yet shown that they can do better. Maybe Bowa was overachieving and fans like GR will soon be clamoring for the good ol' days when Bowa was the manager and they at least had hope.

I'm one of those clamoring fans, actually I never wanted him fired. The team is filled with inconsistent, mentally weak, sissy's. I say keep Rollins, Abreu, Utley, Myers and Lieber and destroy the rest of the team.

Jim Tracy · 05-11-2005, 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Meth_Lab_for_Rudy

We need to get a Jim Tracy/Joe Morgan round table discussion going.

Would that be an interesting discussion?

Of course it would.

Jason Moyer · 05-11-2005, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by benchwarmer

Yeah but with never winning more the 53% of the games 3 outta 4 years with the amount of talent on the team...no wonder he was fired..

The Phillies are basically the 60's Cubs. 2 MVP quality players, an all star quality player (Rollins), 6 giant holes in the lineup, and no pitching.

If Ed Wade weren't totally useless, imagine the lineup they'd be putting on the field.

Johnny Estrada
Ryan Howard
Chase Utley
Jimmy Rollins
Scott Rolen
Pat Burrell
Jason Michaels
Bobby Abreu

Even with the **** pitching they have (granted, it looks like Myers is starting to mature) that would be a hell of a team.

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marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	He was a better manager than people gave him credit for that's for sure, I really didn't think he should have been fired as I believe the problems facing that organization start much higher up. On top of that, the team he had was about the softest team I've ever seen, It was like everytime Dad (Bowa) yelled at them they ran and cried to Mom (Ed Wade, newspaper writers, etc.). It was kind of pathetic seeing it all transpire over the last few years. __________________

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benchwarmer Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 1,461	He was pretty good at getting pissed off and booted out of games..

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Jim Tracy Bat Boy Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 3	Was Larry Bowa a good manager? I'd say so. Was he the best? Probably not but he was very good.

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benchwarmer Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 1,461	i wonder if any other manager has managed the same club to the same winning % 75% of the time of his stay? 53.1 3 outta 4 years.

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rudel.dietrich Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Posts: 8,608	He does a pretty good job on ESPN I think

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El Cid Part II Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Reuniting the Spanish Cookie Elves Posts: 51	Larry Bowa good Fire bad

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Melo All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the baned reside Posts: 1,428	Good manager but hamstrung by the fact that eventually he gets everyone pissed off at him.