Why does this STILL happen?!?!!

ehrie · 08-09-2002, 09:54 PM

This is an old OOTP3 problem I had hoped was fixed, but it reared its ugly head in the playoffs of my online league and I have an angry GM to answer to. Why in the world does the computer start whoever it wants to in the playoffs? In OOTP3 in the playoffs it would always start the #1 starter whenever it wanted to, even if that is who is not supposed to start. This problem is HIGHLY annoying! Tonight in Game 2 of the NLDS between the Astros and Rockies Hideo Nomo started for the Rockies for the 2nd consecutive game, even though John Thomson was the listed starter on the schedule. Nomo had thrown over 100 pitches the day before and was thrown on the mound by the computer because he is the listed #1 starter. Can someone please tell me why the computer does this even in the first place?!?

Anonymous Ghost · 08-09-2002, 09:59 PM

I think that this was solved in one of the earlier patches. Are you running 4.1?

ehrie · 08-09-2002, 10:04 PM

Yes I am running 4.1

Steve Kuffrey · 08-09-2002, 10:14 PM

"Typically" a team will start it's assumed best starter as much as possible. Reduce the size of the rotation to 3 or 4 and it should not happen as frequently if at all.

ehrie · 08-09-2002, 10:18 PM

The rotation size was 4. How in the world is a guy who through 100+ pitches the day before the best available starter? Why is the CPU even making these decisions? Isn't the GM's job to decide who they want to start?

Steve Kuffrey · 08-09-2002, 10:22 PM

Was this a human or computer controlled team? You say he just had a 100 pitch game the day before?

ehrie · 08-09-2002, 10:28 PM

Human and yes. The day before he threw 101 pitches. Here is the links to the box scores.

Game 1

Game 2

mudbug · 08-09-2002, 10:30 PM

It was a human controlled team...I am the GM of this team in Ehrie's league

I have the rotation set to 4 for the playoffs. And Nomo started the first game and threw 101 pitches.

he then started the second game and threw 37 pitches before he was tired...go figure.

Thompson was supposed to start this game for me not nomo.

Steve Kuffrey · 08-09-2002, 10:45 PM

This is not good and will be looked into.

ehrie · 08-09-2002, 10:58 PM

Thanks a bunch Steve.

Steely Glint · 08-10-2002, 10:04 AM

I thought this bug had been killed.

ehrie · 08-10-2002, 10:49 AM

If it turns up anymore in the BBL playoffs I'll post it in this thread again.

ehrie · 08-10-2002, 01:11 PM

Another thing I'm wondering, what determines whether a day to day injured guy starts or not? I plug a starter who is 85% in to start and he never does. Why?

Anonymous Ghost · 08-10-2002, 04:33 PM

Do you have a spot starter in your staff?

Steve Kuffrey · 08-10-2002, 04:37 PM

Markus may have changed something with the logic of using dtd SP. Used to be if one was slated to start the game would freeze.

ehrie · 08-10-2002, 07:28 PM

I mean for position players as well. If they are Day2Day they will not start, nor appear in the game at all. I mean I had to go a whole week without Chipper Jones, even though he was just 85% and I wanted to play him because I was in a pennant race, but even though he was in the lineup he didn't start nor play in any of the games.

ehrie · 08-11-2002, 06:33 PM

Bump, like an answer for this part too please.

sporr · 08-12-2002, 10:58 AM

In Baseball Maelstrom, in order to make sure the proper pitchers are starting, I actually enter each game as though I'm going to watch it, make sure the proper pitcher is listed as starting, and then sim to the end of the game. This way, if the computer sticks someone on the mound who shouldn't be there, I can fix it before the game is played.

Steve Kuffrey · 08-12-2002, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ehrie
Bump, like an answer for this part too please.

I have not noticed this happening, I will try and take a look at it today and see if I can reproduce it.

SoxWin · 08-12-2002, 05:31 PM

Did you have your "next starter" set to #1 or #2?

My guess is the latter

Cheers

Rich

08-09-2002, 10:04 PM	#3
ehrie Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 85	Yes I am running 4.1 __________________ <a href="http://www.bbl.ootp-leagues.com" target="_blank">Black Sox Baseball League</a> Commish BBL Yankees

08-09-2002, 10:14 PM	#4
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	"Typically" a team will start it's assumed best starter as much as possible. Reduce the size of the rotation to 3 or 4 and it should not happen as frequently if at all. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

08-09-2002, 10:18 PM	#5
ehrie Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 85	The rotation size was 4. How in the world is a guy who through 100+ pitches the day before the best available starter? Why is the CPU even making these decisions? Isn't the GM's job to decide who they want to start? __________________ <a href="http://www.bbl.ootp-leagues.com" target="_blank">Black Sox Baseball League</a> Commish BBL Yankees

08-09-2002, 10:22 PM	#6
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	Was this a human or computer controlled team? You say he just had a 100 pitch game the day before? __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

08-09-2002, 10:28 PM	#7
ehrie Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 85	Human and yes. The day before he threw 101 pitches. Here is the links to the box scores. Game 1 Game 2 __________________ <a href="http://www.bbl.ootp-leagues.com" target="_blank">Black Sox Baseball League</a> Commish BBL Yankees

08-09-2002, 09:54 PM	#1
ehrie Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 85	Why does this STILL happen?!?!! This is an old OOTP3 problem I had hoped was fixed, but it reared its ugly head in the playoffs of my online league and I have an angry GM to answer to. Why in the world does the computer start whoever it wants to in the playoffs? In OOTP3 in the playoffs it would always start the #1 starter whenever it wanted to, even if that is who is not supposed to start. This problem is HIGHLY annoying! Tonight in Game 2 of the NLDS between the Astros and Rockies Hideo Nomo started for the Rockies for the 2nd consecutive game, even though John Thomson was the listed starter on the schedule. Nomo had thrown over 100 pitches the day before and was thrown on the mound by the computer because he is the listed #1 starter. Can someone please tell me why the computer does this even in the first place?!? __________________ <a href="http://www.bbl.ootp-leagues.com" target="_blank">Black Sox Baseball League</a> Commish BBL Yankees

08-09-2002, 09:59 PM	#2
Anonymous Ghost All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 751	I think that this was solved in one of the earlier patches. Are you running 4.1?

08-09-2002, 10:30 PM	#8
mudbug Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 29	It was a human controlled team...I am the GM of this team in Ehrie's league I have the rotation set to 4 for the playoffs. And Nomo started the first game and threw 101 pitches. he then started the second game and threw 37 pitches before he was tired...go figure. Thompson was supposed to start this game for me not nomo.

08-09-2002, 10:45 PM	#9
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	This is not good and will be looked into. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

08-09-2002, 10:58 PM	#10
ehrie Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 85	Thanks a bunch Steve. __________________ <a href="http://www.bbl.ootp-leagues.com" target="_blank">Black Sox Baseball League</a> Commish BBL Yankees

08-10-2002, 10:04 AM	#11
Steely Glint Major Leagues Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 430	I thought this bug had been killed. __________________ "His eyes had the steely glint of a hired gun."

08-10-2002, 10:49 AM	#12
ehrie Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 85	If it turns up anymore in the BBL playoffs I'll post it in this thread again. __________________ <a href="http://www.bbl.ootp-leagues.com" target="_blank">Black Sox Baseball League</a> Commish BBL Yankees

08-10-2002, 01:11 PM	#13
ehrie Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 85	Another thing I'm wondering, what determines whether a day to day injured guy starts or not? I plug a starter who is 85% in to start and he never does. Why? __________________ <a href="http://www.bbl.ootp-leagues.com" target="_blank">Black Sox Baseball League</a> Commish BBL Yankees

08-10-2002, 04:33 PM	#14
Anonymous Ghost All Star Reserve Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 751	Do you have a spot starter in your staff?

08-10-2002, 04:37 PM	#15
Steve Kuffrey Administrator Join Date: Jul 1999 Location: S.E. TN - Georgia born and raised Posts: 17,036	Markus may have changed something with the logic of using dtd SP. Used to be if one was slated to start the game would freeze. __________________ Steve Kuffrey DABS Atlanta Braves - 2008 Eastern Division Champ *DBLC Atlanta Braves - 2011, 2014 East Division Champ, 2012, 2013 NL Wildcard Baseball Maelstrom-Montreal Expos-2013 Tourney winner, 2014 WC Team Sparky's League - Tampa Bay D'Rays Epicenter Baseball League - Astros 2014 The CBL Rewind - Phillies '95

08-10-2002, 07:28 PM	#16
ehrie Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 85	I mean for position players as well. If they are Day2Day they will not start, nor appear in the game at all. I mean I had to go a whole week without Chipper Jones, even though he was just 85% and I wanted to play him because I was in a pennant race, but even though he was in the lineup he didn't start nor play in any of the games. __________________ <a href="http://www.bbl.ootp-leagues.com" target="_blank">Black Sox Baseball League</a> Commish BBL Yankees

08-11-2002, 06:33 PM	#17
ehrie Minors (Single A) Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 85	Bump, like an answer for this part too please. __________________ <a href="http://www.bbl.ootp-leagues.com" target="_blank">Black Sox Baseball League</a> Commish BBL Yankees

08-12-2002, 10:58 AM	#18
sporr Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Muscatine, IA Posts: 8,277	In Baseball Maelstrom, in order to make sure the proper pitchers are starting, I actually enter each game as though I'm going to watch it, make sure the proper pitcher is listed as starting, and then sim to the end of the game. This way, if the computer sticks someone on the mound who shouldn't be there, I can fix it before the game is played.

08-12-2002, 05:31 PM	#20
SoxWin Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Blissful ignorance Posts: 3,315	Did you have your "next starter" set to #1 or #2? My guess is the latter Cheers Rich __________________ It's called partying. When you do a lot of it, you're bound to be places where the police show up. I smoke a lot of pot and drink a lot of beer. I also graduated Suma Cum Laude. ****ing sue me. - Luis Rivera