OOTP Observations

StratMan · 08-27-2006, 07:20 PM

Just thought I'd chime in on my observations from playing nearly an entire season game by game. I am playing a fictional league with 5 levels of minors and an inaugural draft. So far, I've had very few problems and am enjoying the game immensely. But here are the observations of mine that could use some work.

1. Injuries seem to cause permanent loss of ratings 30-50% of the time, which seems a little excessive. With the bug causing rapid ratings loss (to be fixed in 1.03), my observations may be somewhat clouded.

2. When swapping out a new pitcher in the line-ups screen, the opposing teams line-ups never change to reflect a switch from a RHP to a LHP. No version of OOTP has ever worked in this regard and it really shouldn't be that difficult to make it work.

3. Advancement of baserunners algorithms are not accurate. Runners score from second to home less that half the time. This number should be closer to 70 - 75% of the time. The percentage of runners thrown out also seems to be excessive.

4. IBB occur without regard to situation. Winning and tying runs are nearly always walked if first is open. The AI has lost many a game against me with this strategy.

5. Waiver wire is a gold mine! I'm not finding superstars, but certainly usable players that have no business being cut.

6. Can't take players off 40-man roster with major league salary, even if they've cleared waivers. At least for players with renewable contracts, this should be allowed.

7. Errors always result in zero outs. Not a big deal, but noticable. Lots of double play situations where the botch is always the initial handle.

8. Low end free agents (30-31 rating) will not entertain minor league contracts, even after sitting unemployed for nearly an entire season.

9. Still wish I had a mode to sim half inning OR until a batter reaches base. I like to play out games, but want to speed to the parts that matter.

10. I wish I could filter by the contract columns, such as options remaining, major league and secondary roster years. Would really like to filter inaugural draft and free agents with these filters.

Thanks for a great game, guys!

Mr. Capo · 08-27-2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by StratMan

Still wish I had a mode to sim half inning OR until a batter reaches base. I like to play out games, but want to speed to the parts that matter.

Hadn't thought of that, but YES! I'd love that. You ought to submit that in the suggestions forum.

bp_ · 08-27-2006, 08:41 PM

Good list. You should post more often.

sfgiants88 · 08-27-2006, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by bp_

Good list. You should post more often.

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targy · 08-27-2006, 09:38 PM

Used to miss the stars but with overall ratings I no longer miss the stars. Overall ratings are a better and more accurate way to judge a player

Elendil · 08-28-2006, 12:12 AM

Good stuff. These should be added to the Tech Support board so that they can be fixed in the next patch.

Steve Kuffrey · 08-28-2006, 12:32 AM

Thanks for the insights, FYI the ability to sim half innings is still present on the bottom menu bar on the in game screen.

Raidergoo · 08-28-2006, 12:36 AM

StratMan

1)Thanks for the post. Have you look see at the suggestions forum?

2) Post more often, as you are making very fine points.

3) RE: your point #1. It is accurate to say your observations are clouded.

Cowboys3356 · 08-28-2006, 09:50 AM

How did you join in 2003 and only make 2 posts in that time?

1998 Yankees · 08-28-2006, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by StratMan

9. Still wish I had a mode to sim half inning OR until a batter reaches base. I like to play out games, but want to speed to the parts that matter.

Echo Mr. Capo's enthusiastic support of your idea of being able to skip past "three up, three down" innings to get to the parts of the game that require managing. In addition to "until batter reaches base," maybe "until RISP/HR."

Don't understand the half inning request, though. Don't we already have that?

Edit - oops, missed Steve's confirmation of that.

Charlie Hough · 08-28-2006, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Cowboys3356

How did you join in 2003 and only make 2 posts in that time?

Because there are many, many people like this. They're not really interested in posting on the forums, but they're quietly playing the game and watching the forums. Considering what goes on in these forums half the time, it's not surprising that many people don't post.

1998 Yankees · 08-28-2006, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

Because there are many, many people like this. They're not really interested in posting on the forums, but they're quietly playing the game and watching the forums. Considering what goes on in these forums half the time, it's not surprising that many people don't post.

Since this thread is "OOTP Observations" . . . I'll add my personal observation that my enjoyment and understanding of the game have increased since I became a participant here. Enjoyment, obvious. Understanding, from trying to help others with their questions: testing, trying new things, looking into aspects of the game that I would not have gotten into otherwise.

IrishHand · 08-29-2006, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Charlie Hough

Because there are many, many people like this. They're not really interested in posting on the forums, but they're quietly playing the game and watching the forums. Considering what goes on in these forums half the time, it's not surprising that many people don't post.

Yup...needless acrimony - generally caused by misplaced pride (or arrogance) - is a wonderful deterrent to participation. Works in politics too!

StratMan · 08-29-2006, 01:49 AM

Yeah, I don't post all that much! I do cruise the forums regularly, though.

The idea of this game has been a dream of mine since I was a kid many moons ago. I don't have alot of time on my hands now, so when I do find an evening, it's playing rather than posting.

I do appreciate the work alot of you put into testing, etc. There was a time in my life (before the internet) that I also would have been a "major league" poster.

BTW, the button I was looking for was sim half inning OR until baserunner reaches. You may want pinch hitters for pitchers, etc later in the game if the sim kept going until someone reached two or three innings later.

1998 Yankees · 08-29-2006, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by StratMan

Yeah, I don't post all that much! I do cruise the forums regularly, though.

The idea of this game has been a dream of mine since I was a kid many moons ago. I don't have alot of time on my hands now, so when I do find an evening, it's playing rather than posting.

I do appreciate the work alot of you put into testing, etc. There was a time in my life (before the internet) that I also would have been a "major league" poster.

BTW, the button I was looking for was sim half inning OR until baserunner reaches. You may want pinch hitters for pitchers, etc later in the game if the sim kept going until someone reached two or three innings later.

Well, don't be such a stranger, StratMan!

Le Grande Orange · 08-29-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by StratMan

There was a time in my life (before the internet) that I also would have been a "major league" poster.

Hmmm, I don't know, I think you might have found it difficult to be a frequent poster on an internet message board before the internet had even been invented...

Solonor · 08-29-2006, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by StratMan

1. Injuries seem to cause permanent loss of ratings 30-50% of the time, which seems a little excessive. With the bug causing rapid ratings loss (to be fixed in 1.03), my observations may be somewhat clouded.

Supposed to be fixed in P3. Markus increased the day-to-day injury frequency but lowered its affect on ratings.

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Originally Posted by StratMan

6. Can't take players off 40-man roster with major league salary, even if they've cleared waivers. At least for players with renewable contracts, this should be allowed.

Fixed in P3.

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Originally Posted by StratMan

9. Still wish I had a mode to sim half inning OR until a batter reaches base. I like to play out games, but want to speed to the parts that matter.

You can sim a half inning in the game. I like the other suggestons, though!

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Originally Posted by StratMan

10. I wish I could filter by the contract columns, such as options remaining, major league and secondary roster years. Would really like to filter inaugural draft and free agents with these filters.

In P3, the columns "ML Yrs", "ML Days", "Sec Yrs", "Sec Days", "Pro Yrs" and "Options used" are available. Dunno if they were just added or not.

Mr. Capo · 08-29-2006, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Solonor

You can sim a half inning in the game. I like the other suggestons, though

He means: half an inning OR until a runner reaches base, whichever comes first.

...which I would really like. You could cruise along until there was trouble, or an opportunity. Many times I've clicked that "half inning" option, and seen a big number pop up for the opponent. I'd have pulled the pitcher, if I had the chance. And that's only one scenario.

bp_ · 08-29-2006, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Capo

He means: half an inning OR until a runner reaches base, whichever comes first.

...which I would really like. You could cruise along until there was trouble, or an opportunity. Many times I've clicked that "half inning" option, and seen a big number pop up for the opponent. I'd have pulled the pitcher, if I had the chance. And that's only one scenario.

I just actually played out a game with OOTP for the first time ever a couple of days ago (after being a sim only guy from the time I got into this series) and I would have loved to have an option that sims until a runner reaches base.

StratMan · 08-29-2006, 11:48 PM

In P3, the columns "ML Yrs", "ML Days", "Sec Yrs", "Sec Days", "Pro Yrs" and "Options used" are available. Dunno if they were just added or not.

The columns have always been available for view, but were missing from the filter column list for some reason. Are you saying they are in the filter list in P3?

Also, I wish the days would be the remainder displayed in the contract screen rather than 172 * years + days

08-27-2006, 08:41 PM	#3
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targy All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Clearwater, FL Posts: 1,152	Used to miss the stars but with overall ratings I no longer miss the stars. Overall ratings are a better and more accurate way to judge a player Last edited by targy; 08-28-2006 at 12:14 AM.

08-28-2006, 12:12 AM	#6
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08-28-2006, 12:32 AM	#7
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08-27-2006, 07:20 PM	#1
StratMan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 68	OOTP Observations Just thought I'd chime in on my observations from playing nearly an entire season game by game. I am playing a fictional league with 5 levels of minors and an inaugural draft. So far, I've had very few problems and am enjoying the game immensely. But here are the observations of mine that could use some work. 1. Injuries seem to cause permanent loss of ratings 30-50% of the time, which seems a little excessive. With the bug causing rapid ratings loss (to be fixed in 1.03), my observations may be somewhat clouded. 2. When swapping out a new pitcher in the line-ups screen, the opposing teams line-ups never change to reflect a switch from a RHP to a LHP. No version of OOTP has ever worked in this regard and it really shouldn't be that difficult to make it work. 3. Advancement of baserunners algorithms are not accurate. Runners score from second to home less that half the time. This number should be closer to 70 - 75% of the time. The percentage of runners thrown out also seems to be excessive. 4. IBB occur without regard to situation. Winning and tying runs are nearly always walked if first is open. The AI has lost many a game against me with this strategy. 5. Waiver wire is a gold mine! I'm not finding superstars, but certainly usable players that have no business being cut. 6. Can't take players off 40-man roster with major league salary, even if they've cleared waivers. At least for players with renewable contracts, this should be allowed. 7. Errors always result in zero outs. Not a big deal, but noticable. Lots of double play situations where the botch is always the initial handle. 8. Low end free agents (30-31 rating) will not entertain minor league contracts, even after sitting unemployed for nearly an entire season. 9. Still wish I had a mode to sim half inning OR until a batter reaches base. I like to play out games, but want to speed to the parts that matter. 10. I wish I could filter by the contract columns, such as options remaining, major league and secondary roster years. Would really like to filter inaugural draft and free agents with these filters. Thanks for a great game, guys!

08-28-2006, 12:36 AM	#8
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	StratMan 1)Thanks for the post. Have you look see at the suggestions forum? 2) Post more often, as you are making very fine points. 3) RE: your point #1. It is accurate to say your observations are clouded.

08-28-2006, 09:50 AM	#9
Cowboys3356 All Star Starter Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,571	How did you join in 2003 and only make 2 posts in that time?

08-29-2006, 01:49 AM	#14
StratMan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 68	Yeah, I don't post all that much! I do cruise the forums regularly, though. The idea of this game has been a dream of mine since I was a kid many moons ago. I don't have alot of time on my hands now, so when I do find an evening, it's playing rather than posting. I do appreciate the work alot of you put into testing, etc. There was a time in my life (before the internet) that I also would have been a "major league" poster. BTW, the button I was looking for was sim half inning OR until baserunner reaches. You may want pinch hitters for pitchers, etc later in the game if the sim kept going until someone reached two or three innings later.

08-29-2006, 11:48 PM	#20
StratMan Minors (Single A) Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 68	In P3, the columns "ML Yrs", "ML Days", "Sec Yrs", "Sec Days", "Pro Yrs" and "Options used" are available. Dunno if they were just added or not. The columns have always been available for view, but were missing from the filter column list for some reason. Are you saying they are in the filter list in P3? Also, I wish the days would be the remainder displayed in the contract screen rather than 172 * years + days