Problem with Financials?

[madjag]

I don't know if this has been mentioned or if anyone else is having the same problem.

On my team's finances page, it shows the following:
Payroll Info:
Staff Payroll: $7,372,900
Player Payroll: $60,609,750
Current Budget: $104,314,121
Projected Balance: 16,609,764

My team has $20,000,000 in cash, and in owner comments, it says i have $36,609,764 available for player or staff signings (the projected balance + cash).
I am trying to re-sign my players who will become free agents after the season, but it says I have no money left for player contract extensions.

Am i missing something?
(I'm running the latest version/patch of the game)

thanks.

[tysok]

Originally Posted by madjag

I don't know if this has been mentioned or if anyone else is having the same problem.

On my team's finances page, it shows the following:
Payroll Info:
Staff Payroll: $7,372,900
Player Payroll: $60,609,750
Current Budget: $104,314,121
Projected Balance: 16,609,764

My team has $20,000,000 in cash, and in owner comments, it says i have $36,609,764 available for player or staff signings (the projected balance + cash).
I am trying to re-sign my players who will become free agents after the season, but it says I have no money left for player contract extensions.

Am i missing something?

thanks.

The 36 million is how much money you have to spend THIS year... not necessarily next.
Maybe you have some players that are making 7 million this year but 10 million next... that'd be 10 guys that way... but that's where it's coming from. It looks at what your contracts look like for next year and decides how much you have for EXTENSION signings from that. The 36 mil available will allow you to sign a 36 million dollar free agent if you'd like...

[madjag]

I checked the contracts of everyone in my organization - i actually have only 3 players with multi-year contracts - one is the same amount as the current year, another is 250k more than the current year, and the third is 150k more than the current year.

I have 11 players who are arbitration eligible. (don't know if that factors into it also).

Also, i just checked to see what it says if i try to extend a contract - now i have 336k available for player contract extensions. (my projected balance went up to $20mil+).

[tysok]

You have player and staff payroll of 67 mil, budget of 104 mil. It will allow you to spend the cash you have on hand, and the projected balance... but it may be a different issue. Since you have a low "projected balance" it should mean you've spent a lot of cash on players you don't have anymore... maybe you had a 12 mil player for half the year, your expenses would show 6 mil spent, but payroll wouldn't show him anymore. Since you should, theoretically, have 37 million projected balance this makes sense.

What is your BALANCE?
You have the CASH line,
then player expenses,
then staff expenses,
then BALANCE

If that is going negative, or very low, that may be a consideration in what it's showing you as available for extensions.

Also, how much money is supposedly leaving for free agency if you don't sign them? It should be adding their current salaries in to what you have available.

I do see a little evidence that it may be adding a little something in for arbitration...
Right now I should have 10 mil for extensions, it's saying I have 4. I have 3 guys that will go through arbitration and if I bump their current salaries slightly (to about what they should be) that would add 6 mil onto my payroll...

Finally, where are you in the season? I've seen some very weird numbers on the financial page that slowly get worked out as the season progresses.

As you can see, I'm not an expert on how the financial system works. I've been attempting to figure it out through some trial and error though... wouldn't mind if an expert came in and explained it to us either.

[Satanic]

Should have an easier way to show it.
How much more can we spend right now?
That's the One Big Question we need to know.
In OTTP 6.5 I'd never had this kind of problem.

[madjag]

thanks for all the replies.

My Balance was consistently in the $30 millions. just finished the season, and player expenses is only about $800k more than player payroll. (i'm guessing that's for players shipped out or the like.)

My team's possible free agents have a total contract value of around $23-24 million. and I also noticed that the numbers could be weird, but as the season went on, they worked themselves out.

now at the end of the season, i have a little over $3 million to offer for contract extensions. despite having a balance of $38 million. ( i don't see all of the players who are eligible for arbitration reaching this total.)

and to add something on to everything - i tried to sign a free agent toward the very end of the season. despite having $55 million for staff and player signings, the owner only lets me offer a contract worth 2.4 million a year. (don't know if this has to do with being at the very end of the season, but i wouldn't think it would.)

[tysok]

Originally Posted by madjag

thanks for all the replies.

My Balance was consistently in the $30 millions. just finished the season, and player expenses is only about $800k more than player payroll. (i'm guessing that's for players shipped out or the like.)

My team's possible free agents have a total contract value of around $23-24 million. and I also noticed that the numbers could be weird, but as the season went on, they worked themselves out.

now at the end of the season, i have a little over $3 million to offer for contract extensions. despite having a balance of $38 million. ( i don't see all of the players who are eligible for arbitration reaching this total.)

and to add something on to everything - i tried to sign a free agent toward the very end of the season. despite having $55 million for staff and player signings, the owner only lets me offer a contract worth 2.4 million a year. (don't know if this has to do with being at the very end of the season, but i wouldn't think it would.)

No idea... guess the only thing left is to see if the owner cut your budget by 30 million dollars next year, maybe it's taking that into account.

[madjag]

nope. the owner cut the budget by 4 mil. and of course, since i couldn't sign my free agents at the end of last year, they became free agents and refuse to negotiate with me now.

so now -
staff payroll: $7,343,300
player payroll: $44,652,750
Current budget: $100,104,798
Projected balance: $ - 10,166,252
(How does that make sense?? a negative projected balance with those numbers and when i ended last year with a $43 million balance.)

cash $25,000,000
Balance: $17,484,954 (even taking into account $24 million+ lost to revenue sharing in current financial overview.)

i have $14,833,748 available for staff and player signings.
and if i try to resign one of my free agents, i have $5,136,498 available.

it's not looking like the numbers make any sense at all. if anyone could shed some light on this i'd greatly appreciate it.

[tysok]

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=126753

Was your problem maybe created by something similar to what this guy experienced?
I haven't ever ran into it... but if it's happening for him maybe this is what ended up happening with you?

[tysok]

Bumping this so it's easier to find, if Madjag is still around.

And if so, confirm that you didn't release players trying to get under the budget so you could afford to sign the free agents to be... think it's fairly clear that isn't the case but making sure.

[madjag]

tysok -
still here - trying to see what's missing.

i don't think it's similar to that other thread only b/c i wasn't able to sign anyone based on the low amounts the owner set for me (despite the enormous balance and cash amounts) - it might be a similar problem within the financial system, but that's just a guess at this point.

as far as releaseing players - i released one after the season - he was up for arbitration, and making 350k, didn't really need him b/c he wasn't that great - i'm guessing if he got a new contract through arbitration - it would've been for 350k as well.

[madjag]

here's my financial report currently (hope it comes out ok):

<table style="padding-top: 12px; padding-bottom: 12px;" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="935"><tbody><tr><td valign="top"><table class="lpo" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="303"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" class="h0">Payroll Information</td></tr><tr><td class="sl">Staff Payroll</td><td class="sr">$7,343,300</td></tr><tr><td class="slg">Player Payroll</td><td class="srg">$44,652,750</td></tr><tr><td class="sl">Current Budget</td><td class="sr">$100,104,798</td></tr><tr><td class="slg">Projected Balance</td><td class="srgb" style="color: rgb(255, 0, 0);">$-10,166,252</td></tr><tr><td class="sl"></td><td class="sr"></td></tr><tr><td class="slg">Average Player Salary</td><td class="srg">$1,860,531</td></tr><tr><td class="sl">League Average Salary</td><td class="sr">$1,852,403</td></tr><tr><td class="slg"></td><td class="srg"></td></tr><tr><td class="sl">Highest Paid Players:</td><td class="sr"></td></tr><tr><td class="slg"> 1) Cenón Guitierro</td><td class="srg">$18,000,000</td></tr><tr><td class="sl"> 2) Neil Schmidt</td><td class="sr">$5,358,000</td></tr><tr><td class="slg"> 3) Samuel Perron</td><td class="srg">$4,750,000</td></tr><tr><td class="sl"> 4) Mark Theriot</td><td class="sr">$3,128,000</td></tr><tr><td class="slg"> 5) Eiichi Taketo</td><td class="srg">$2,907,000</td></tr></tbody></table></td><td style="padding-left: 12px;" valign="top"><table class="lpo" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="304"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" class="h0">Current Financial Overview</td></tr><tr><td class="sl">Attendance</td><td class="sr">0</td></tr><tr><td class="slg">Attendance per Game</td><td class="srg">0</td></tr><tr><td class="sl"></td><td class="sr"></td></tr><tr><td class="slg">Gate Revenue</td><td class="srg">$0</td></tr><tr><td class="sl">Playoff Revenue</td><td class="sr">$0</td></tr><tr><td class="slg">Media Revenue</td><td class="srg">$21,250,000</td></tr><tr><td class="sl">Merchandising Revenue</td><td class="sr">$0</td></tr><tr><td class="slg">Revenue Sharing</td><td class="srg">$-24,535,046</td></tr><tr><td class="sl">CASH</td><td class="srb" style="color: rgb(2, 204, 73);">$25,000,000</td></tr><tr><td class="slg"></td><td class="srg"></td></tr><tr><td class="sl">Player Expenses</td><td class="sr">$1,000,000</td></tr><tr><td class="slg">Staff Expenses</td><td class="srg">$3,230,000</td></tr><tr><td class="sl"></td><td class="sr"></td></tr><tr><td class="slg">BALANCE</td><td class="srgb" style="color: rgb(2, 204, 73);">$17,484,954</td></tr></tbody></table></td><td style="padding-left: 12px;" valign="top"><table class="lpo" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="304"><tbody><tr><td colspan="2" class="h0">Last Season Overview</td></tr><tr><td class="sl">Attendance</td><td class="sr">3,858,446</td></tr><tr><td class="slg">Attendance per Game</td><td class="srg">47,635</td></tr><tr><td class="sl"></td><td class="sr"></td></tr><tr><td class="slg">Gate Revenue</td><td class="srg">$61,088,241</td></tr><tr><td class="sl">Playoff Revenue</td><td class="sr">$1,576,937</td></tr><tr><td class="slg">Media Revenue</td><td class="srg">$21,250,000</td></tr><tr><td class="sl">Merchandising Revenue</td><td class="sr">$14,724,666</td></tr><tr><td class="slg">Revenue Sharing</td><td class="srg">$-10,962,365</td></tr><tr><td class="sl">CASH</td><td class="srb" style="color: rgb(2, 204, 73);">$25,000,000</td></tr><tr><td class="slg"></td><td class="srg"></td></tr><tr><td class="sl">Player Expenses</td><td class="sr">$61,731,309</td></tr><tr><td class="slg">Staff Expenses</td><td class="srg">$7,373,489</td></tr><tr><td class="sl"></td><td class="sr"></td></tr><tr><td class="slg">BALANCE</td><td class="srgb" style="color: rgb(2, 204, 73);">$43,572,681</td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table>

[tysok]

Looks to me like you should have been able to sign some extensions.

You weren't able to make any offers, at any time?
The way it should work, and the problem in the other thread (as far as I can tell) is: You have 30 million to sign extensions.
You offer a guy 15 million... until he accepts or rejects it works off the basis that you spent that money, so you now only have 15 million to sign extensions.
When he rejects your offer that offer the 15 million you offered him goes back into the available money, so you again have 30 million to offer extensions.
The other thread looks like it never gave him back that 15 million...

So you weren't able to offer anything at any time? You didn't offer 5 of your guys 6 million and all were rejected, or something similar?

It certainly appears to be a problem to me... but I've asked some others to take a look at it. Hopefully someone who knows will peruse this and let us know what's going on... cuz I haven't a clue what might cause it.

The "projected balance" of -10 mil is right, so at least the screen is giving you correct info...

[madjag]

I'm trying to recall and i think that around after the All star break - it only allowed me to offer a few hundred thousand for extensions, but shortly thereafter, it went to no money available for extensions, despite the huge (and increasing) balance.

[battists]

I believe this issue was resolved with the patch today. Can anyone check it out and confirm?

Thanks,

Steve

[Matter2003]

It appears that this may be the cause of having money available, but not having it budgeted to spend...

The projected balance is totally wrong...as you can see last year, my team made a pretty healthy profit of roughly $521,898...which took the balance to over $1 million...

There is no way after I trimmed almost $45,000 off the payroll that I should be projected to lose over $300,000 after I made over $500,000 the previous year with much higher expenses than I currently have...

If the budget I receive is based on these projected amounts, then I can understand why I have no money to spend(since the owner is expecting to come up on the short side of the stick). However, unless my owner has some plans to spend about $800,000, these projections make absolutely no sense...To make it worse, it actually tells me the financial situation is secure, as I have $43,692 to spend on player and staff signings. That's great, but I want to RE-SIGN some of the players I ALREADY HAVE!!!! instead of going out and having to fight for them on the market...

However, as posted in a previous thread, extensions have nothing to do with the salary cap for this year, as the money you are giving the player won't affect the cap until you actually get to that year of the extension...

Can someone please take a look at this also?? I would be willing to bet the budget and extensions are related, even though they shouldn't be...

Matter2003

[tysok]

The problem here is you have a budget of 1,800 dollars.
So the projected balance is correct. There's nothing wrong with the rest of the numbers.

Obviously, your budget was higher last season, so the problem is why the owner would cut your budget by 300 thousand dollars when you made 500 thousand last year alone... that makes no sense and I have no clue why it would do that... Apparently your owner wants you to play with one player.

For next year, the game should be assuming you get the same budget, so you're already spending 300 thousand over your budget so of course you'll have nothing for next year... it'll take all the contracts you already have for next year and figure how much of your budget is left over for next year... and of course that'll be a negative number with that microscopic budget.

So, the only two way whacked out numbers, from what I know of your league... which is only this screen shot, is the microscopic budget, and it saying you have 43,000 left that you can spend this year. It should be saying you have nothing... since you're so far over budget already.

The projected balance line is only what your balance looks like compared to your allotted budget, not to your overall cash position. It still reports that you'll have plenty of cash left at the end of the season, that's the BALANCE line, last line in the center section.

Anyhow, all that said, your bug is that the owner gives you an 1800 budget while sitting on 1 million dollars in cash and having made 500 thousand last year.

[gladwish]

I've been having the same problem. I thought it was just me, but clearly not. I just installed the new patch, but nothing changed. Unless I need to start a new league or something. Maybe Markus or another expert can help us figure this out?

[Matter2003]

Originally Posted by tysok

The problem here is you have a budget of 1,800 dollars.
So the projected balance is correct. There's nothing wrong with the rest of the numbers.

Obviously, your budget was higher last season, so the problem is why the owner would cut your budget by 300 thousand dollars when you made 500 thousand last year alone... that makes no sense and I have no clue why it would do that... Apparently your owner wants you to play with one player.

For next year, the game should be assuming you get the same budget, so you're already spending 300 thousand over your budget so of course you'll have nothing for next year... it'll take all the contracts you already have for next year and figure how much of your budget is left over for next year... and of course that'll be a negative number with that microscopic budget.

So, the only two way whacked out numbers, from what I know of your league... which is only this screen shot, is the microscopic budget, and it saying you have 43,000 left that you can spend this year. It should be saying you have nothing... since you're so far over budget already.

The projected balance line is only what your balance looks like compared to your allotted budget, not to your overall cash position. It still reports that you'll have plenty of cash left at the end of the season, that's the BALANCE line, last line in the center section.

Anyhow, all that said, your bug is that the owner gives you an 1800 budget while sitting on 1 million dollars in cash and having made 500 thousand last year.

Well, the crux of the issue is that the projected balance should equal my projected income-projected expenses. Currently, the only thing showing is the projected expenses, which obviously leaves me with a negative balance since my projected income is not factored in.

In order to give someone a budget, you must first know how much you are expecting to receive in income, then you calculate how much you expect to have in expenses and subtract that, and then the left over portion is the projected income. The budget SHOULD be a percentage of projected income, which means the owner should say, OK, here is how much you can spend(for example, 80% of expected income)...

Showing a negative projected balance is just ridiculous to begin with, since it does no good by itself...

And, the amount showing that I have to spend is correct, since when players became FA's, I now have $67,000 to spend...

On top of that, extensions have absolutely nothing to do with the current years salaray cap to begin with. They only factor into next years or the following years budgets...

Matter2003

[Matter2003]

Originally Posted by battists

I believe this issue was resolved with the patch today. Can anyone check it out and confirm?

Thanks,

Steve

Steve,

I have the latest patch, and it isn't fixed...

I didn't see this thread before I already posted these 2, but it is the same issue I am having. Also, I found that for some reason my budget was $1800, even though I had made $500,000 the previous year(I am playing in the Indy Leagues). My projected balance was -307,000, which means it obviously did not take into account my income of $500,000...not sure whats up with this...here are my two posts in regards to these issues:

Extensions issue---TT#2361
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=127878

Budget Issue:
http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=128002

Matter2003