Bulls/Hornets Trade

marc · 07-05-2006, 09:38 PM

Bulls get:
PF PJ Brown
SG/SF JR Smith

Hornets get:
PF/C Tyson Chandler

Another good move for the Bulls. They get some toughness down low with Brown and add a great young athlete in Smith for a guy that just hasn't developed.

magnet · 07-05-2006, 11:25 PM

Seems to me that the hornets got screwed

Jeremy Weimer · 07-06-2006, 01:11 AM

It'll be a decent trade for the Hornets if he pans out. At the very least he'll be a big young body to shore up the front line for a while. I mean the Hornets aren't instant contenders right now anyways so they can take a chance on a player like Chandler.

magnet · 07-06-2006, 01:16 AM

I think its my NBA Live experience speaking through, but I'd say JR Smith will pan out far better than Chandler.

mrcoach00 · 07-06-2006, 09:50 AM

I don't know if PJ Brown fits into the Bulls plans to a tee, but it does help the Bulls get out from under the 60 million dollar contract that they had with Chandler. I believe Brown will be a free agent after next season.

blgoblue2 · 07-06-2006, 10:45 AM

Bad trade for the bulls. Chandler will be something special.

Vris · 07-06-2006, 01:16 PM

marc,

Stop spamming the boards here and start spamming the TWB boards. No exports since the new season began and you didn't make your draft pick until a few of us started badgering you. It wouldn't be a big deal if you didn't post here on the hour every hour.

Jordan · 07-08-2006, 06:51 PM

Good riddance. He sucked for us. Eddy Curry was the one that had the talent.

I'm scared that he's part of the Chicago curse though. it wouldnt surprise me if he had the best season of his career with the horets next season. just because we're cursed.

JDOldSchool · 07-08-2006, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jordan

Good riddance. He sucked for us. Eddy Curry was the one that had the talent.

I'm scared that he's part of the Chicago curse though. it wouldnt surprise me if he had the best season of his career with the horets next season. just because we're cursed.

Tyson Chandler will be better over the next 4 years than Ben Wallace, guaranteed.

Hell, he's as good at 24 as Wallace was at 26, if not better. If you think Tyson sucked, you didn't watch many games.

marc · 07-08-2006, 08:50 PM

Tyson Chandler as good as Wallace???? YIKES! He's had about 6 years to turn into something and he hasn't.

His Own Bad Self · 07-09-2006, 06:05 AM

I just realized something awful.

The Bulls signed Ben Wallace. They're looking at Chris Wilcox (if rumors are true). They dealt Chandler for P.J. Brown and J.R. Smith. So basically what they end up with are a project shooting guard (Smith), a very raw forward (Thomas), two aging one-dimensional power forwards/centers (Wallace, Brown), and maybe a decent young power forward (Wilcox) And everyone is pimping them for it. Pardon my asking, but...

Does anyone else remember Elton Brand??? A guy the Bulls had? Rookie of the Year? Now an All-Star? The guy they dealt for Chandler in the first place? By the way, Brand is going to make $15 million for the next three seasons, and he's only going to be 27 next year, whereas Wallace is going to be 32 and under contract for four years. At the same price. I understand that the Brand deal was Krause's doing, but still, that means...

They parlayed Elton Brand into the logjam listed above, who combined cost more than Brand, and none of whom will ever be as good as Brand is now.

His Own Bad Self · 07-09-2006, 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by marc

Tyson Chandler as good as Wallace???? YIKES! He's had about 6 years to turn into something and he hasn't.

dola,

Chandler's not as good as Wallace, but he's younger, has the same skill set as Wallace, and is - I don't know - about 80-90% as good. They're not nearly as far apart as one would think. Chandler fouls more and turns the ball over more, but otherwise he's a poor man's Wallace. But Wallace has won four DPOY awards, and been on two Finals teams, and he wasn't a #2 draft pick, so he comes out looking great, while Chandler looks like just another draft bust.

marc · 07-09-2006, 06:37 AM

After looking at his stats, I've moved a bit closer to your stance, I didn't realize that he did infact average 9 boards per game this season. I still don't think he's going to turn into a Ben Wallace though and I think PJ Brown will pretty much equal Chandler's effectiveness next season.

I also think JR Smith has more upside than Chandler and is like 4 years younger. Even if you want to call them even in upside, they cancel each other out and the Bulls get PJ Brown.

AnotherAlias · 07-09-2006, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jdawgsenior

while Chandler looks like just another draft bust.

This is how I see him.

Biggest mistake Krause ever made was move Brand and end up with Chandler and Curry.

Jordan · 07-09-2006, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by AnotherAlias

This is how I see him.

Biggest mistake Krause ever made was move Brand and end up with Chandler and Curry.

Yup. I almost cried watching Clippers games this year.

yankeesrule · 07-09-2006, 09:43 PM

Chandler can be good, but he is extremely inconsistent. He'll go on a string of like 5 or 6 straight 12+ rebound games and then follow that up with 3 or 4 games with 6 rebounds, thus getting you his 9 rpg average. He also has had back injury problems as well as other injury problems. This is something Wallace has never dealt with.

yankeesrule · 07-09-2006, 10:38 PM

And yeah, as a bulls fan since the early jordan years I cringe at the thought of what could have been these past few years. First the trade of Brand for Chandler or Curry, then the whole Jay Williams situation, then ALMOST having D-Wade(so close, 1 freaking pick away).
Hopefully things work out well for them now

TonyJ · 07-10-2006, 03:04 PM

Chandler is a very good player, he's just not (and probably never will be) a scorer. He's very far from a bust, unless you think that defense and rebounding are unimportant skills.

QuestGAV · 07-10-2006, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyJ

Chandler is a very good player, he's just not (and probably never will be) a scorer. He's very far from a bust, unless you think that defense and rebounding are unimportant skills.

Yeah, as much as I like the Wallace signing I think I would have liked it more if they had kept him to pair with Chandler rather than offload Chandler for a contract and an athlete. JR Smith isn't a bad player but I don't think his peak is as high as Chandler's potential. Chandler may have been able to learn alot from Wallace about work ethic. Then again, they may have felt Chandler wouldn't have put in the work or that he would have been alienated by having to play off the bench.

AnotherAlias · 07-10-2006, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

Yeah, as much as I like the Wallace signing I think I would have liked it more if they had kept him to pair with Chandler rather than offload Chandler for a contract and an athlete. JR Smith isn't a bad player but I don't think his peak is as high as Chandler's potential. Chandler may have been able to learn alot from Wallace about work ethic. Then again, they may have felt Chandler wouldn't have put in the work or that he would have been alienated by having to play off the bench.

The Bulls didn't want to put them on the court together. Wallace and Chandler are more defensive than offensive and they need some scoring.

07-05-2006, 09:38 PM	#1
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	Bulls/Hornets Trade Bulls get: PF PJ Brown SG/SF JR Smith Hornets get: PF/C Tyson Chandler Another good move for the Bulls. They get some toughness down low with Brown and add a great young athlete in Smith for a guy that just hasn't developed. __________________

07-06-2006, 01:16 PM	#7
Vris Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: somewhere where I don't know where I am Posts: 3,251	marc, Stop spamming the boards here and start spamming the TWB boards. No exports since the new season began and you didn't make your draft pick until a few of us started badgering you. It wouldn't be a big deal if you didn't post here on the hour every hour. __________________ None Blog it.

07-08-2006, 08:50 PM	#10
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	Tyson Chandler as good as Wallace???? YIKES! He's had about 6 years to turn into something and he hasn't. __________________

07-09-2006, 06:37 AM	#13
marc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 7,505	After looking at his stats, I've moved a bit closer to your stance, I didn't realize that he did infact average 9 boards per game this season. I still don't think he's going to turn into a Ben Wallace though and I think PJ Brown will pretty much equal Chandler's effectiveness next season. I also think JR Smith has more upside than Chandler and is like 4 years younger. Even if you want to call them even in upside, they cancel each other out and the Bulls get PJ Brown. __________________

07-10-2006, 03:04 PM	#18
TonyJ Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Gassin' Kurds Posts: 2,019	Chandler is a very good player, he's just not (and probably never will be) a scorer. He's very far from a bust, unless you think that defense and rebounding are unimportant skills. __________________ My Podcasts: Talk Democratic Dysfunction Name Two Bands with Andy and Andy

07-05-2006, 11:25 PM	#2
magnet Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,029	Seems to me that the hornets got screwed

07-06-2006, 01:11 AM	#3
Jeremy Weimer Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Minneapolis, MN Posts: 3,411	It'll be a decent trade for the Hornets if he pans out. At the very least he'll be a big young body to shore up the front line for a while. I mean the Hornets aren't instant contenders right now anyways so they can take a chance on a player like Chandler.

07-06-2006, 01:16 AM	#4
magnet Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 5,029	I think its my NBA Live experience speaking through, but I'd say JR Smith will pan out far better than Chandler.

07-06-2006, 09:50 AM	#5
mrcoach00 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 217	I don't know if PJ Brown fits into the Bulls plans to a tee, but it does help the Bulls get out from under the 60 million dollar contract that they had with Chandler. I believe Brown will be a free agent after next season.

07-06-2006, 10:45 AM	#6
blgoblue2 Banned Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Walled Lake, Michigan Member #13775 Posts: 886	Bad trade for the bulls. Chandler will be something special.

07-08-2006, 06:51 PM	#8
Jordan All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chi Suburbs now... Posts: 1,991	Good riddance. He sucked for us. Eddy Curry was the one that had the talent. I'm scared that he's part of the Chicago curse though. it wouldnt surprise me if he had the best season of his career with the horets next season. just because we're cursed.

07-09-2006, 06:05 AM	#11
His Own Bad Self All Star Starter Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,221	I just realized something awful. The Bulls signed Ben Wallace. They're looking at Chris Wilcox (if rumors are true). They dealt Chandler for P.J. Brown and J.R. Smith. So basically what they end up with are a project shooting guard (Smith), a very raw forward (Thomas), two aging one-dimensional power forwards/centers (Wallace, Brown), and maybe a decent young power forward (Wilcox) And everyone is pimping them for it. Pardon my asking, but... Does anyone else remember Elton Brand??? A guy the Bulls had? Rookie of the Year? Now an All-Star? The guy they dealt for Chandler in the first place? By the way, Brand is going to make $15 million for the next three seasons, and he's only going to be 27 next year, whereas Wallace is going to be 32 and under contract for four years. At the same price. I understand that the Brand deal was Krause's doing, but still, that means... They parlayed Elton Brand into the logjam listed above, who combined cost more than Brand, and none of whom will ever be as good as Brand is now.

07-09-2006, 09:43 PM	#16
yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,367	Chandler can be good, but he is extremely inconsistent. He'll go on a string of like 5 or 6 straight 12+ rebound games and then follow that up with 3 or 4 games with 6 rebounds, thus getting you his 9 rpg average. He also has had back injury problems as well as other injury problems. This is something Wallace has never dealt with.

07-09-2006, 10:38 PM	#17
yankeesrule All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,367	And yeah, as a bulls fan since the early jordan years I cringe at the thought of what could have been these past few years. First the trade of Brand for Chandler or Curry, then the whole Jay Williams situation, then ALMOST having D-Wade(so close, 1 freaking pick away). Hopefully things work out well for them now