Bug: Playoff Problem

theasfl · 06-01-2006, 03:59 PM

Hopefully this hasn't been mentioned before, I tried to skim where I could...

In my first season with the default league St. Louis finished at 117-45, and Houston finished at 93-69, but they wound up playing each other in the first round. Houston should have played, Florida who finished 95-67. St. Louis should have played Los Angeles (84-79). So instead of 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3, it was 1 vs 3 and 2 vs 4, with the wild card playing its own division champion as well....Im guessing the game has the wild card playing the top seed coded.

I apologize if this has already been reported.

Zubes · 06-02-2006, 01:25 AM

I noticed in a league i converted, i ran test sims to make sure everything is still A OK, and it was, until i got to the playoffs.

i noticed that the 1st season i simmed that Houston and Chicago both made the playoffs, with Chicago (Cubs) winning the Wildcard. they faced each other in the 1st round.

its probably just a logic thing that needs to be looked at.

Thanks.

gmo · 06-02-2006, 01:54 AM

OOTP has long not followed the MLB rule of not allowing the wild card in a 3-division setup to play the winner of their division in the first round of the playoffs.

Now that the game can permit setups like 10 divisions and 6 wildcards I think it may be less likely there will be a rule set in the game to not allow divisional opponents to play each other in the first round of the playoffs.

Zubes · 06-02-2006, 12:53 PM

in OOTP6.5 i know it followed the rule, thats why i was surprised to not see it here, especially in the 3 division setup.

im hoping that this can be fixed.

Cras · 06-02-2006, 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zubes

im hoping that this can be fixed.

Same here.

Solonor · 06-02-2006, 02:10 PM

Yes, they fixed that wildcard bug in 6.5. I just noticed it's back in 2006.

Cras · 06-02-2006, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solonor

Yes, they fixed that wildcard bug in 6.5. I just noticed it's back in 2006.

I would rather this be an option rather than just a straight fix, but I will take a straight fix over nothing at all.

battists · 06-02-2006, 04:02 PM

Logged, TT#1582

Le Grande Orange · 06-02-2006, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zubes

in OOTP6.5 i know it followed the rule, thats why i was surprised to not see it here, especially in the 3 division setup.

Only problem is for leagues with other playoff setups the idea of restricting a wildcard team from meeting the division winner from its own division could prove problematic.

Hopefully it will be possible to limit this restriction to only the three division winner, one wildcard setup. But the playoff setups seem to be more complicated to code than it might seem (at least, based on the reply I got from Markus about how much work incorporating the Shaughnessy playoff format into the game would take).

Marc Duffy · 06-03-2006, 07:53 AM

That's not an easy fix because of all the different playoffs possible... suggestions?

Comedian2004 · 06-03-2006, 08:04 AM

See TT 869....

OakDragon · 06-03-2006, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marc Duffy

That's not an easy fix because of all the different playoffs possible... suggestions?

Please pardon my quasi-pseudo code

:

j = NumberOfTeamsInPlayoffs

For i = 1 to (NumberOfTeamsInPlayoffs / 2)
print "In this round," j " will play " i "." *\print or do whatever with teams/*
j--
next i

A different routine would be used for Wild Card situations where team i becomes the Wild Card team when i = 1.

thomamon · 06-03-2006, 07:46 PM

This is actually something that is pretty major and should really be looked at.

Le Grande Orange · 06-03-2006, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomamon

This is actually something that is pretty major and should really be looked at.

I wouldn't call it major, I'd call it more of an annoyance. There are probably some who prefer OOTP's way and think MLB's first round restriction is foolish anyway.

Also, if you're doing a historical league, the current MLB playoff matchup scheme was not used in 1995-1997 and an entirely different method was used. That system can't be recreated either.

david limbaugh · 06-12-2006, 03:06 PM

Post-Patch

1 League

16 Divisions

Wildcards

The Post-Season was seeded

1-32
2-31
3-30

and etc

down to 16-17

1-16 is Division winners

17-32 is Wildcard teams

So, in the second round, the 1 and 2 teams meet - UGH!!!

It should have been:

1-32
16-17

8-25
9-24

4-29
13-20

5-28
12-21

2-31
15-18

7-26
10-23

3-30
14-29

6-27
11-32

See what I mean????

david limbaugh · 06-12-2006, 06:55 PM

Or is this the place to get TT #'s ??

BigLou · 06-13-2006, 12:59 AM

this would be the place

david limbaugh · 06-13-2006, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigLou

this would be the place

Do you see my bug?

And sure enough, I have the best record in the league in
season 2 with a week to go - and if I beat the worst-wildcard
team in round 1 of the playoffs I will be going up against
the second best team in round 2....

Has anyone else seen the bug?

david limbaugh · 06-13-2006, 06:38 PM

Just wondering - would like to see this fixed in next patch...

Raidergoo · 06-13-2006, 09:55 PM

this has been raised

06-02-2006, 01:25 AM	#2
Zubes Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 361	Incorrect Playoff Formats I noticed in a league i converted, i ran test sims to make sure everything is still A OK, and it was, until i got to the playoffs. i noticed that the 1st season i simmed that Houston and Chicago both made the playoffs, with Chicago (Cubs) winning the Wildcard. they faced each other in the 1st round. its probably just a logic thing that needs to be looked at. Thanks. __________________ Phil Zuber Beyond the Ivy - Commish, Twins GM Stars and Stripes Baseball League - Cubs GM Bricks and Ivy - Orioles GM Sim Coalition - co-founder

06-02-2006, 12:53 PM	#4
Zubes Major Leagues Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 361	in OOTP6.5 i know it followed the rule, thats why i was surprised to not see it here, especially in the 3 division setup. im hoping that this can be fixed. __________________ Phil Zuber Beyond the Ivy - Commish, Twins GM Stars and Stripes Baseball League - Cubs GM Bricks and Ivy - Orioles GM Sim Coalition - co-founder

06-02-2006, 02:10 PM	#6
Solonor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Maine Posts: 4,459	Yes, they fixed that wildcard bug in 6.5. I just noticed it's back in 2006. __________________ Solonor's Groovy Computer Baseball League - Making baseball a hobbit since 2003! "Beings will come, Frodo. The one constant through all the years has been baseball. Middle Earth has rolled by like an army of Mumakil. It has been erased like a slate, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Frodo. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... beings will come Frodo. Beings will most definitely come." - Gladden Field of Dreams

06-03-2006, 08:04 AM	#11
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06-03-2006, 07:46 PM	#13
thomamon Global Moderator Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 5,274	This is actually something that is pretty major and should really be looked at. __________________ Thomas A. Montalto Please check out my Stupid Little Blog - http://www.stupidlittleblog.com

06-01-2006, 03:59 PM	#1
theasfl Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Coral Springs, FL or Orlando, FL (UCF) Posts: 7,988	Bug: Playoff Problem Hopefully this hasn't been mentioned before, I tried to skim where I could... In my first season with the default league St. Louis finished at 117-45, and Houston finished at 93-69, but they wound up playing each other in the first round. Houston should have played, Florida who finished 95-67. St. Louis should have played Los Angeles (84-79). So instead of 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3, it was 1 vs 3 and 2 vs 4, with the wild card playing its own division champion as well....Im guessing the game has the wild card playing the top seed coded. I apologize if this has already been reported. __________________ All-Sports Fantasy League The ASFL 22 different games, 9 sports. Please check out the website (www.theasfl.com/asfl2/). The league is free- if you're interested please fill out the signup form and/or email the commissioner. Miami Talons (ABL): 2004, 2005 & 2008 Champs

06-02-2006, 01:54 AM	#3
gmo Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 3,393	OOTP has long not followed the MLB rule of not allowing the wild card in a 3-division setup to play the winner of their division in the first round of the playoffs. Now that the game can permit setups like 10 divisions and 6 wildcards I think it may be less likely there will be a rule set in the game to not allow divisional opponents to play each other in the first round of the playoffs.

06-02-2006, 04:02 PM	#8
battists Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 18,506	Logged, TT#1582

06-03-2006, 07:53 AM	#10
Marc Duffy SI Marketing Wizard Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Old Street, London Posts: 4,741	That's not an easy fix because of all the different playoffs possible... suggestions?

06-12-2006, 03:06 PM	#15
david limbaugh All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Murfreesboro (Nashville) Tennessee Posts: 724	Playoff Seeding Is Not Correct! Post-Patch 1 League 16 Divisions Wildcards The Post-Season was seeded 1-32 2-31 3-30 and etc down to 16-17 1-16 is Division winners 17-32 is Wildcard teams So, in the second round, the 1 and 2 teams meet - UGH!!! It should have been: 1-32 16-17 8-25 9-24 4-29 13-20 5-28 12-21 2-31 15-18 7-26 10-23 3-30 14-29 6-27 11-32 See what I mean???? __________________ @RHS_SID on Twitter - Go Cubs - BoSox - World Series - One Day ...#WhenItHappens

06-12-2006, 06:55 PM	#16
david limbaugh All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Murfreesboro (Nashville) Tennessee Posts: 724	Do I get a TT #? Or is this the place to get TT #'s ?? __________________ @RHS_SID on Twitter - Go Cubs - BoSox - World Series - One Day ...#WhenItHappens

06-13-2006, 12:59 AM	#17
BigLou Minors (Double A) Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 122	this would be the place

06-13-2006, 06:38 PM	#19
david limbaugh All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Murfreesboro (Nashville) Tennessee Posts: 724	When do I get my first TT # ??? Just wondering - would like to see this fixed in next patch... __________________ @RHS_SID on Twitter - Go Cubs - BoSox - World Series - One Day ...#WhenItHappens

06-13-2006, 09:55 PM	#20
Raidergoo Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 9,005	this has been raised