Gatti to fight Chavez jr

Lee · 06-04-2007, 11:16 PM

Scheduled for November 10th 2007, is Gatti just getting to the point now where he is going to be a stepping stone for the young up and comers, or can he actually defeat Chavez? I think he has a chance, (As JR is not the fighter his Dad was) but there comes a point where the wear and tear that Gatti endures, just has to take too much of a toll.

mh2365 · 06-04-2007, 11:18 PM

Jr. has become a very sound and solid fighter. I actually think Gomez is going to defeat Gatti also, so yeah I think he is to the point where he is a stepping stone.

I think Chavez Jr. will put him away inside 5 or 6. I'm quickly becoming a Jr. homer LOL

a87star · 06-04-2007, 11:28 PM

Chavez Jr./Gatti will only take place if both guys get past their next scheduled opponents (per BoxRec). I doubt that fight will happen because i'm expecting Gomez to beat Gatti.

I have all the respect in the world for Gatti and he shouldn't have to become a stepping stone for anyone IMO. If he does lose to Gomez, i'm pretty sure he'll retire and besides even if Alfonso wins, he'll just get schooled by a better fighter. Gomez will not be in the upper crust of his division but he's an exciting fighter and will pose problems B-/C+ fighters trying to make it up the mountain.

javier_83 · 06-05-2007, 12:01 PM

so maybe a Gomez Vs Chavez JR?

a87star · 06-05-2007, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by javier_83

so maybe a Gomez Vs Chavez JR?

That would be a very interesting matchup. Both Gomez and Chavez Jr. have styles that would make for an explosive and exciting fight. I'd definitely favor Jr. but it would be a war.

mh2365 · 06-05-2007, 01:08 PM

I can't see it coming off because Jr. is still picking his fights and he should since he is what 15? Gatti represents an over the hill fighter with a big name. Should Gomez beat Gatti easily I don't see Gomez being a target for Jr. right now.

His fight Saturday night is against another stiff but it is a little step up in competition .. the guy did beat his 100 year old dad after all.

a87star · 06-05-2007, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

I can't see it coming off because Jr. is still picking his fights and he should since he is what 15? Gatti represents an over the hill fighter with a big name. Should Gomez beat Gatti easily I don't see Gomez being a target for Jr. right now.

His fight Saturday night is against another stiff but it is a little step up in competition .. the guy did beat his 100 year old dad after all.

Good point about Chavez Jr. still picking and choosing his fights. He's still 21 years old and has plenty of time to step it up. Grover Wiley is a tough veteran who has been in the ring with some prospects recently (Garcia, Salita) and should give JR. some rounds and experience. I still believe that his dad is doing right by him not rushing him into the fire too soon. JCC was 44-0 against lower competiton before he fought Mario Martinez for the vacant WBC SFW title.

mh2365 · 06-05-2007, 01:33 PM

Jr. has gotten better in every fight I've seen him in and I now think he has the potential to be a world class fighter. Choosing Gatti is smart because it's a big name fighter who is washed up.

While I think he would beat Gomez, I don't think it's a big enough name to take that risk yet.

a87star · 06-05-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Jr. has gotten better in every fight I've seen him in and I now think he has the potential to be a world class fighter. Choosing Gatti is smart because it's a big name fighter who is washed up.

While I think he would beat Gomez, I don't think it's a big enough name to take that risk yet.

I agree to an extent but fighting Gomez wouldn't be so bad in the fact that most casual fans know him from "The Contender" and since both guys are Mexican, the fight pretty much promotes itself but it's not as big of a name like Gatti as you have pointed out. I do expect Jr. to step it up his competiton within the next year even if the fight with Gatti does not happen.

mh2365 · 06-05-2007, 03:14 PM

Good points

Jim_Kidd · 06-05-2007, 04:26 PM

You know, I think Julio Jr's career has progressed really well. Look at how many fights his father had on his resume. He had something like 40 fights before he fought for the title. By the time he fought for a title, he was a seasoned fighter.

Now his son is doing the same thing. It's the same way they did it in the old days. There are some things you learn by fighting that can't be learned as easily in the gym. Even if Jr. picks up a loss or two along the way, he may still become a standout fighter within the next several years.

*Gatti has Mickey Ward in his corner now. How can you not root for the two to them to be successful again.

Ric915 · 06-05-2007, 04:38 PM

I don't see the Gomez Gatti fight being an easy win for Gomez, Gatti may not be the same fighter he once was but power is the last thing to go and Gomez is very hittable, and I'm pretty sure he hasn't faced anyone with the power of Gatti and I've seen him get rocked before. Gomez tends to swell alot as well. I think it's gonna be a very entertaining fight. As for Chavez Jr he is learning the right way learn by doing we need more fighters to go back to this throw back style of learning the craft by fighting.

a87star · 06-05-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim_Kidd

*Gatti has Mickey Ward in his corner now. How can you not root for the two to them to be successful again.

Micky Ward and Arturo Gatti weren't neccesarily the greatest fighters in the world but they were warriors who gave it their all each time they fought. Their trilogy might be the greatest ever and to see their mutual admiration turn into a great friendship is something you rarely see these days.

mh2365 · 06-05-2007, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Ric915

I don't see the Gomez Gatti fight being an easy win for Gomez, Gatti may not be the same fighter he once was but power is the last thing to go and Gomez is very hittable, and I'm pretty sure he hasn't faced anyone with the power of Gatti and I've seen him get rocked before. Gomez tends to swell alot as well. I think it's gonna be a very entertaining fight. As for Chavez Jr he is learning the right way learn by doing we need more fighters to go back to this throw back style of learning the craft by fighting.

Wanted to go back and make sure I didn't actually say Gomez would beat Gatti easily

Said if he did it still wouldn't be a big fight for Jr.

Now I do think Chavez Jr. beats Gatti fairly easily. But I do think Gomez wins in a close fight.

meade95 · 06-05-2007, 08:22 PM

I think Gatti stops both Chavez Jr and Gomez....

Gomez is overrated big time (IMO)...as is Chavez Jr (though he has improved some).....But neither will win a major belt....

Ric915 · 06-05-2007, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by mh2365

Wanted to go back and make sure I didn't actually say Gomez would beat Gatti easily

Said if he did it still wouldn't be a big fight for Jr.

Now I do think Chavez Jr. beats Gatti fairly easily. But I do think Gomez wins in a close fight.

You are correct my good man You did say "Should he beat him easily"..I think both fights will be very interesting I really think he's gonna beat Gomez(just a feeling) and the fight with Chavez Jr should be pretty interesting as long as Gatti can Land a good shot, it'll be good to see how Jr takes a big punch either way it will be a decent fight

a87star · 06-05-2007, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by meade95

I think Gatti stops both Chavez Jr and Gomez....

Gomez is overrated big time (IMO)...as is Chavez Jr (though he has improved some).....But neither will win a major belt....

I don't think Chavez Jr. is overrated. Gomez is slightly overrated because of the hype he recieved from "The Contender" but not overtly like Darchinyan or Arce.

mh2365 · 06-05-2007, 10:39 PM

I think Gomez is a banger at heart and that would make a great war with Gatti .. but mostly I think Gatti is washed up.

I will say anyone who thinks Chavez Jr. is overrated .. please watch him again. He has improved with every fight. He puts together his punches much better now and his defense is much better now.

a87star · 06-06-2007, 12:01 AM

Gomez has a brawlers mentality first and will always make fights entertaining. Gatti may be washed up but he'll never stop giving it his best even when things are going bad.

Mike you have to realize with every prospect in the sport, there will always be a group of critics trying to discount that fighters ability. I think Jr. has a bright future in the sport. On the other hand you like Andre Berto but I think he's highly overrated. Everyone's perceptions are different.

Jim_Kidd · 06-06-2007, 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by a87star

Micky Ward and Arturo Gatti weren't neccesarily the greatest fighters in the world but they were warriors who gave it their all each time they fought. Their trilogy might be the greatest ever and to see their mutual admiration turn into a great friendship is something you rarely see these days.

Ward and Gatti are cut out of that rare mold...
I read last week that Arturo Gatti would sometimes go to post-fight parties, bypassing the hospital and would drink until 3 a.m. blood still dripping down his face getting all over his shirt... and not giving a damn.

I think that's why boxing fans love these guys. Because life itself is like boxing/fighting. Some people wade in, open throttle, not afraid to take damage in order to land their best shots. While others are always back-pedaling, trying not to get hit. Stand or fall, it's those who take a stand in the heat of the battle that we respect the most.

06-04-2007, 11:16 PM	#1
Lee Global Moderator Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: The Scorched Desert Posts: 4,652	Gatti to fight Chavez jr Scheduled for November 10th 2007, is Gatti just getting to the point now where he is going to be a stepping stone for the young up and comers, or can he actually defeat Chavez? I think he has a chance, (As JR is not the fighter his Dad was) but there comes a point where the wear and tear that Gatti endures, just has to take too much of a toll.

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javier_83 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 3,091	so maybe a Gomez Vs Chavez JR? __________________ Unification World of Boxing Universal World of Boxing First Tbcb Forum Tournament

06-05-2007, 04:26 PM	#11
Jim_Kidd All Star Reserve Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Florida, West Coast Posts: 578	You know, I think Julio Jr's career has progressed really well. Look at how many fights his father had on his resume. He had something like 40 fights before he fought for the title. By the time he fought for a title, he was a seasoned fighter. Now his son is doing the same thing. It's the same way they did it in the old days. There are some things you learn by fighting that can't be learned as easily in the gym. Even if Jr. picks up a loss or two along the way, he may still become a standout fighter within the next several years. Gatti has Mickey Ward in his corner now. How can you not root for the two to them to be successful again. Last edited by Jim_Kidd; 06-05-2007 at 04:28 PM.*

06-04-2007, 11:18 PM	#2
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Jr. has become a very sound and solid fighter. I actually think Gomez is going to defeat Gatti also, so yeah I think he is to the point where he is a stepping stone. I think Chavez Jr. will put him away inside 5 or 6. I'm quickly becoming a Jr. homer LOL

06-04-2007, 11:28 PM	#3
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,850	Chavez Jr./Gatti will only take place if both guys get past their next scheduled opponents (per BoxRec). I doubt that fight will happen because i'm expecting Gomez to beat Gatti. I have all the respect in the world for Gatti and he shouldn't have to become a stepping stone for anyone IMO. If he does lose to Gomez, i'm pretty sure he'll retire and besides even if Alfonso wins, he'll just get schooled by a better fighter. Gomez will not be in the upper crust of his division but he's an exciting fighter and will pose problems B-/C+ fighters trying to make it up the mountain.

06-05-2007, 01:08 PM	#6
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I can't see it coming off because Jr. is still picking his fights and he should since he is what 15? Gatti represents an over the hill fighter with a big name. Should Gomez beat Gatti easily I don't see Gomez being a target for Jr. right now. His fight Saturday night is against another stiff but it is a little step up in competition .. the guy did beat his 100 year old dad after all.

06-05-2007, 01:33 PM	#8
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Jr. has gotten better in every fight I've seen him in and I now think he has the potential to be a world class fighter. Choosing Gatti is smart because it's a big name fighter who is washed up. While I think he would beat Gomez, I don't think it's a big enough name to take that risk yet.

06-05-2007, 03:14 PM	#10
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	Good points

06-05-2007, 04:38 PM	#12
Ric915 All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Lake Havasu City Arizona Posts: 1,262	I don't see the Gomez Gatti fight being an easy win for Gomez, Gatti may not be the same fighter he once was but power is the last thing to go and Gomez is very hittable, and I'm pretty sure he hasn't faced anyone with the power of Gatti and I've seen him get rocked before. Gomez tends to swell alot as well. I think it's gonna be a very entertaining fight. As for Chavez Jr he is learning the right way learn by doing we need more fighters to go back to this throw back style of learning the craft by fighting.

06-05-2007, 08:22 PM	#15
meade95 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 2,095	I think Gatti stops both Chavez Jr and Gomez.... Gomez is overrated big time (IMO)...as is Chavez Jr (though he has improved some).....But neither will win a major belt....

06-05-2007, 10:39 PM	#18
mh2365 Banned Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: louisville Posts: 14,941 Infractions: 0/2 (101)	I think Gomez is a banger at heart and that would make a great war with Gatti .. but mostly I think Gatti is washed up. I will say anyone who thinks Chavez Jr. is overrated .. please watch him again. He has improved with every fight. He puts together his punches much better now and his defense is much better now.

06-06-2007, 12:01 AM	#19
a87star Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Staten Island, NY Posts: 4,850	Gomez has a brawlers mentality first and will always make fights entertaining. Gatti may be washed up but he'll never stop giving it his best even when things are going bad. Mike you have to realize with every prospect in the sport, there will always be a group of critics trying to discount that fighters ability. I think Jr. has a bright future in the sport. On the other hand you like Andre Berto but I think he's highly overrated. Everyone's perceptions are different.