Does Clutch affect Playoffs?

twolf3 · 01-03-2006, 12:39 AM

I was curious if anyone has thoughts on if the clutch rating affects the postseason. I know it's mainly for close/late, but what about October Hero's (like Jeter) & Bum's (AROD)?

Here are the best SP's (with non-normal clutch) in POTD who have extensive postseason experience:
Marquez (great) - 231-121 2.68 ERA career; 31 starts 17-5 2.08 postseason
Woods (suffers) - 161-74 2.88 career; 16 starts 4-3 2.43 postseason
Woodward (suffers) - 150-90 3.48; 9 starts 1-3 6.33
Kaufmann (great) - 134-41 2.63; 28 starts 9-5 2.36
Gomez (great) - 179-84 2.70; 16 starts 7-5 2.43
Gurrola (suffers) - 166-123 3.34; 11 starts 4-4 4.89

Might appear to be some correlation, but could use more. Maybe some others could post similar things?

mrbill · 01-03-2006, 01:15 AM

It's really hard to prove this anecdotally, I've seen a lot of players that seem to reinforce this theory as well, but I don't think it gains any credibility without a 50-season kind of study.

A few people have done clutch studies for the regular season, its too bad none of them simmed out the postseason and found a way to compile those stats into something.

I have a sneaky suspicion that "Clutch" is far more important than people believe in the postseason.

Hammer755 · 01-03-2006, 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by twolf3

I was curious if anyone has thoughts on if the clutch rating affects the postseason. I know it's mainly for close/late, but what about October Hero's (like Jeter) & Bum's (AROD)?

Derek Jeter Career Regular Season - .314/.386/.461
Derek Jeter Career Post Season - .307/.379/.463

Alex Rodriguez Career Regular Season - .307/.385/.577
Alex Rodriguez Career Post Season - .305/.393/.534

jaxmagicman · 01-03-2006, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammer755

Derek Jeter Career Regular Season - .314/.386/.461
Derek Jeter Career Post Season - .307/.379/.463

Alex Rodriguez Career Regular Season - .307/.385/.577
Alex Rodriguez Career Post Season - .305/.393/.534

Please do not bring facts into this discussion.

mrbill · 01-03-2006, 05:19 PM

Certainly anecdotal evidence from real life doesn't say much about clutch, its all in people's heads, but what about in OOTP?

thechadman2 · 04-20-2006, 02:01 AM

Jeter gets the hit when they REALLY need it.

RonCo · 04-20-2006, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by mrbill

Certainly anecdotal evidence from real life doesn't say much about clutch, its all in people's heads, but what about in OOTP?

That's right. We're not debating the question of whether it should be there or not, but whether it's appearance in OOTP makes a difference. So bringing A-Rod and Jeter's real-life performance into the discussion is missing the point.

StyxNCa · 04-20-2006, 08:43 AM

My team has been in the championship series 3 years running, and based on what I see the clutch doesn't help as my top clutch players have combined for a .195 batting avg and just 4 RBI's in 17 games. None of those 4 RBI's came in clutch situation.

jmaness84 · 04-25-2006, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by twolf3

I was curious if anyone has thoughts on if the clutch rating affects the postseason. I know it's mainly for close/late, but what about October Hero's (like Jeter) & Bum's (AROD)?

Here are the best SP's (with non-normal clutch) in POTD who have extensive postseason experience:
Marquez (great) - 231-121 2.68 ERA career; 31 starts 17-5 2.08 postseason
Woods (suffers) - 161-74 2.88 career; 16 starts 4-3 2.43 postseason
Woodward (suffers) - 150-90 3.48; 9 starts 1-3 6.33
Kaufmann (great) - 134-41 2.63; 28 starts 9-5 2.36
Gomez (great) - 179-84 2.70; 16 starts 7-5 2.43
Gurrola (suffers) - 166-123 3.34; 11 starts 4-4 4.89

Might appear to be some correlation, but could use more. Maybe some others could post similar things?

I don't think it matters....I think I have even read something by Marcus saying he put that in there as eye candy the clutch factor is useless in OOTP. Same as MLB.

sfgiants88 · 04-26-2006, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jmaness84

I don't think it matters....I think I have even read something by Marcus saying he put that in there as eye candy the clutch factor is useless in OOTP. Same as MLB.

I'm curious to see that quote. There have been studies that have shown a direct correlation between clutch and performance in close/late situations.

disposableheros · 04-26-2006, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sfgiants88

I'm curious to see that quote. There have been studies that have shown a direct correlation between clutch and performance in close/late situations.

link, please?

sfgiants88 · 04-26-2006, 10:47 AM

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ad.php?t=84928

disposableheros · 04-26-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by sfgiants88

http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...ad.php?t=84928

thanks. i dont remember that at all, yet i was the first responder

sfgiants88 · 04-27-2006, 06:34 PM

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thanks. i dont remember that at all, yet i was the first responder

No worries. I certainly don't remember all the threads I've posted in.

mrbill · 04-27-2006, 09:19 PM

Clutch and close/late, but clutch and playoffs?

I seem to recall a study on that, but I don't remember if it was conclusive.

01-03-2006, 12:39 AM	#1
twolf3 Bat Boy Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 13	Does Clutch affect Playoffs? I was curious if anyone has thoughts on if the clutch rating affects the postseason. I know it's mainly for close/late, but what about October Hero's (like Jeter) & Bum's (AROD)? Here are the best SP's (with non-normal clutch) in POTD who have extensive postseason experience: Marquez (great) - 231-121 2.68 ERA career; 31 starts 17-5 2.08 postseason Woods (suffers) - 161-74 2.88 career; 16 starts 4-3 2.43 postseason Woodward (suffers) - 150-90 3.48; 9 starts 1-3 6.33 Kaufmann (great) - 134-41 2.63; 28 starts 9-5 2.36 Gomez (great) - 179-84 2.70; 16 starts 7-5 2.43 Gurrola (suffers) - 166-123 3.34; 11 starts 4-4 4.89 Might appear to be some correlation, but could use more. Maybe some others could post similar things?

01-03-2006, 01:15 AM	#2
mrbill All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA, CA Posts: 982	It's really hard to prove this anecdotally, I've seen a lot of players that seem to reinforce this theory as well, but I don't think it gains any credibility without a 50-season kind of study. A few people have done clutch studies for the regular season, its too bad none of them simmed out the postseason and found a way to compile those stats into something. I have a sneaky suspicion that "Clutch" is far more important than people believe in the postseason. __________________ UBL - Best Online League Evar! - Los Angeles Dodgers: 25 seasons, 13 NL West titles, 4 WC, 8 NL Titles, 5-time Champs LBB v5 league (retired) - Detroit Tigers/Commish: 19 seasons, 18 straight AL Central titles, 2006, 2008, 2014, 2015 Champs! NGBL v6 league (dead) - Texas Rangers: 10 seasons, 4 AL South titles, 2 Wild Cards, one WS app

01-03-2006, 05:19 PM	#5
mrbill All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA, CA Posts: 982	Certainly anecdotal evidence from real life doesn't say much about clutch, its all in people's heads, but what about in OOTP? __________________ UBL - Best Online League Evar! - Los Angeles Dodgers: 25 seasons, 13 NL West titles, 4 WC, 8 NL Titles, 5-time Champs LBB v5 league (retired) - Detroit Tigers/Commish: 19 seasons, 18 straight AL Central titles, 2006, 2008, 2014, 2015 Champs! NGBL v6 league (dead) - Texas Rangers: 10 seasons, 4 AL South titles, 2 Wild Cards, one WS app

04-27-2006, 09:19 PM	#15
mrbill All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: LA, CA Posts: 982	Clutch and close/late, but clutch and playoffs? I seem to recall a study on that, but I don't remember if it was conclusive. __________________ UBL - Best Online League Evar! - Los Angeles Dodgers: 25 seasons, 13 NL West titles, 4 WC, 8 NL Titles, 5-time Champs LBB v5 league (retired) - Detroit Tigers/Commish: 19 seasons, 18 straight AL Central titles, 2006, 2008, 2014, 2015 Champs! NGBL v6 league (dead) - Texas Rangers: 10 seasons, 4 AL South titles, 2 Wild Cards, one WS app

04-20-2006, 02:01 AM	#6
thechadman2 Minors (Single A) Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Long Beach, Cali Posts: 88	Jeter gets the hit when they REALLY need it.

04-20-2006, 08:43 AM	#8
StyxNCa Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Victoria, Texas Posts: 3,136	My team has been in the championship series 3 years running, and based on what I see the clutch doesn't help as my top clutch players have combined for a .195 batting avg and just 4 RBI's in 17 games. None of those 4 RBI's came in clutch situation.

04-26-2006, 10:47 AM	#12
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