Defending Bonds

RchW · 03-31-2006, 07:22 PM

Check out this radio interview of Gregg Zaun of the Blue Jays. He is extremely opinionated, maybe even over the top. He calls the MLB investigation a "witchhunt" and trashes Bud Lite. I don't agree with all that he says but it is refreshing to hear a plain spoken interview.

Go here and look under Hot Audio for Gregg Zaun.

UngratefulDead · 03-31-2006, 07:29 PM

GREGG ZAUN IS ON THE JUICE HEARD IT HERE FIRST THANK YOU I AM OUT

Astros33Resurrected · 03-31-2006, 10:51 PM

baseball is on a witch hunt after the most recent book that came out about steroids.

Malleus Dei · 03-31-2006, 11:39 PM

There is no defending Barry Bonds. He is beyond the pale.

darkhorse · 04-01-2006, 03:07 AM

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He is beyond the pale.

Nah. Seven more home runs, then your statement will be true.

canadiancreed · 04-01-2006, 03:10 AM

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Originally Posted by RchW

Check out this radio interview of Gregg Zaun of the Blue Jays. He is extremely opinionated, maybe even over the top. He calls the MLB investigation a "witchhunt" and trashes Bud Lite. I don't agree with all that he says but it is refreshing to hear a plain spoken interview.

Go here and look under Hot Audio for Gregg Zaun.

intresting.

just one thing that he obviously hasnt' clued into

he's Gregg Zaun. WHo gives a **** what a backup catcher on a foreign team thinks?

QuestGAV · 04-01-2006, 03:14 AM

LaTroy Hawkins apparently made some similarly dumb comments within the past few days. I would love to see a high profile player step up and call on Bonds to retire. Then everyone can pick a side and have at it. It would be like an OT drama with steroid-inflated millionaires on one side and inflated ego elitist millionaires on the other.

canadiancreed · 04-01-2006, 03:17 AM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

LaTroy Hawkins apparently made some similarly dumb comments within the past few days. I would love to see a high profile player step up and call on Bonds to retire. Then everyone can pick a side and have at it. It would be like an OT drama with steroid-inflated millionaires on one side and inflated ego elitist millionaires on the other.

so a tiff that 95% of the populace coudln't give two ****s about then

QuestGAV · 04-01-2006, 03:20 AM

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so a tiff that 95% of the populace coudln't give two ****s about then

Exactly. No one cares about the outcome but the trainwreck factor pulls in people from all over to watch the carnage.

canadiancreed · 04-01-2006, 03:22 AM

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Exactly. No one cares about the outcome but the trainwreck factor pulls in people from all over to watch the carnage.

meh. trainwrecks are passe.

Always foud it funny how you'd have zealots on each side arguing at the top of their "lungs" and no-one hears anything. People have more improtant things to worry about then if some dood that makes more money then you ever will is getting a bad opinion. Like why woudl they care if you defended them? Are you their lawyer?

Just funny in a "you need to get out more" kind of way. Of course this may have somethign to do with my opinion of the insane contracts so there ya go

Eckstein 4 Prez · 04-01-2006, 03:24 AM

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Nah. Seven more home runs, then your statement will be true.

:rimshot:

DiMaggio5CF · 04-01-2006, 03:27 AM

The only reason that baseball is on a witchhunt is because for the past eight-plus years, we've repeatedly seen magic tricks performed on the field and magic spells cast on players' bats. The only reason that baseball is on a witchhunt is because several of the top stars have been proven to be witches, a few have admitted to being witches, and others have tested positive for being witches.

If baseball is on a witchhunt, it's only because it's extremely clear that Major League Baseball is plagued with witchcraft.

If baseball is on a witchunt, it's because even the most skeptical can't ignore the overwhelming amount of evidence against the accused witches.

If baseball is on a witchhunt, then it's the defenders of the witches, not the accusers, who are trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

If baseball is on a witchhunt, then this might be the only witchhunt that produces true, honest-to-goodness witches.

Jason Moyer · 04-01-2006, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by DiMaggio5CF

If baseball is on a witchhunt, then this might be the only witchhunt that produces true, honest-to-goodness witches.

Some of us happen to think witches deserve the same respect as non-witches, but that's just me.

What I'd really like to see out of this 2002-2005 steroid-usage investigation is a big-name pitcher getting nailed like Clemens or someone.

KurtBevacqua · 04-01-2006, 04:00 AM

It's really easy to defend someone by going after Bud Selig.

JDOldSchool · 04-01-2006, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by DiMaggio5CF

The only reason that baseball is on a witchhunt is because for the past eight-plus years, we've repeatedly seen magic tricks performed on the field and magic spells cast on players' bats. The only reason that baseball is on a witchhunt is because several of the top stars have been proven to be witches, a few have admitted to being witches, and others have tested positive for being witches.

If baseball is on a witchhunt, it's only because it's extremely clear that Major League Baseball is plagued with witchcraft.

If baseball is on a witchunt, it's because even the most skeptical can't ignore the overwhelming amount of evidence against the accused witches.

If baseball is on a witchhunt, then it's the defenders of the witches, not the accusers, who are trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

If baseball is on a witchhunt, then this might be the only witchhunt that produces true, honest-to-goodness witches.

Skipaway · 04-01-2006, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by DiMaggio5CF

The only reason that baseball is on a witchhunt is because for the past eight-plus years, we've repeatedly seen magic tricks performed on the field and magic spells cast on players' bats. The only reason that baseball is on a witchhunt is because several of the top stars have been proven to be witches, a few have admitted to being witches, and others have tested positive for being witches.

If baseball is on a witchhunt, it's only because it's extremely clear that Major League Baseball is plagued with witchcraft.

If baseball is on a witchunt, it's because even the most skeptical can't ignore the overwhelming amount of evidence against the accused witches.

If baseball is on a witchhunt, then it's the defenders of the witches, not the accusers, who are trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes.

If baseball is on a witchhunt, then this might be the only witchhunt that produces true, honest-to-goodness witches.

Then explan to me the lack of witch hunt for amphetamine, which got a longer history, and was revealed way earlier, and was described by everyone to be more serious than steroid, and by US law is a worse violation than steroids, and by various accounts have more impact on the game playing, and have public court records and players admiting using it, and there are accusations about teams being directly involved in providing the players illegal substances.

If you can explain that, then I can see your point. Otherwise, it's quite obvious steroid is singled out as a scapegoat due to media hype.
It's all about PR.

KurtBevacqua · 04-01-2006, 05:34 AM

I think amphetamines are just so widely accepted for so long that nobody bats an eye at it, while steroids are alien to the baseball culture and thus perceived as more threatening to the old school folks in the game. Personally I wish they'd crack down on both and be done with it.

Bill Maher had a rant sometime back on this on how speed is America's drug of choice and he's right. Red Bull, Starbucks, you name it. We go for that extra pep all the time. I freely admit it. Coffee is now my lone vice since I stopped drinking. But I'd say it's a pretty far stretch from a cup of coffee to popping speed.

RchW · 04-01-2006, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by KurtBevacqua

I think amphetamines are just so widely accepted for so long that nobody bats an eye at it, while steroids are alien to the baseball culture and thus perceived as more threatening to the old school folks in the game. Personally I wish they'd crack down on both and be done with it.

Bill Maher had a rant sometime back on this on how speed is America's drug of choice and he's right. Red Bull, Starbucks, you name it. We go for that extra pep all the time. I freely admit it. Coffee is now my lone vice since I stopped drinking. But I'd say it's a pretty far stretch from a cup of coffee to popping speed.

I generally agree with you but there is an edge of hypocrisy in all of these "no drug" positions. The position seems to be "no drugs that we don't like". The we being the political flavour of the day.

My son has mild asthma and needs to take a puffer before he plays hockey. I'm sure most people would not have a problem with that. The puffer allows my son enough relief to play at his skill level. The problem is another kid who does not have asthma can get the same boost in air flow as my son. should he be allowed to take the puffer? I know for a fact that significant numers of parents go to the doctor and say, "Bobby coughs a lot when he is on the ice", and out comes the script. There goes drug free sport out the window.

I don't know the answer but I'll bet a lot of opinions on drugs in sport change when son or daughter get very good. Sad commentary maybe but I see it every season, in every sport.

Skipaway · 04-01-2006, 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by KurtBevacqua

I think amphetamines are just so widely accepted for so long that nobody bats an eye at it, while steroids are alien to the baseball culture and thus perceived as more threatening to the old school folks in the game. Personally I wish they'd crack down on both and be done with it.

Bill Maher had a rant sometime back on this on how speed is America's drug of choice and he's right. Red Bull, Starbucks, you name it. We go for that extra pep all the time. I freely admit it. Coffee is now my lone vice since I stopped drinking. But I'd say it's a pretty far stretch from a cup of coffee to popping speed.

Yeah, and mostly for players to support Bonds or not isn't about good and evil. It's more or less the "he's doing something we don't like" vs. the "what we've been doing is no better than him".

canadiancreed · 04-01-2006, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by RchW

I generally agree with you but there is an edge of hypocrisy in all of these "no drug" positions. The position seems to be "no drugs that we don't like". The we being the political flavour of the day.

My son has mild asthma and needs to take a puffer before he plays hockey. I'm sure most people would not have a problem with that. The puffer allows my son enough relief to play at his skill level. The problem is another kid who does not have asthma can get the same boost in air flow as my son. should he be allowed to take the puffer? I know for a fact that significant numers of parents go to the doctor and say, "Bobby coughs a lot when he is on the ice", and out comes the script. There goes drug free sport out the window.

I don't know the answer but I'll bet a lot of opinions on drugs in sport change when son or daughter get very good. Sad commentary maybe but I see it every season, in every sport.

my understanding though is that while drugs for asthma are to avoid a life threatening occurance, steroids, speed, and what not are not drugs for anythign that coudl be considered lethal if not taken.

Maybes there's the possible difference?

03-31-2006, 07:22 PM	#1
RchW Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Toronto ON by way of Glasgow UK Posts: 15,629	Defending Bonds Check out this radio interview of Gregg Zaun of the Blue Jays. He is extremely opinionated, maybe even over the top. He calls the MLB investigation a "witchhunt" and trashes Bud Lite. I don't agree with all that he says but it is refreshing to hear a plain spoken interview. Go here and look under Hot Audio for Gregg Zaun. __________________ Cheers RichW If you’re looking for a good cause to donate money to please consider a Donation to Parkinson’s Canada. It may help me have a better future and if not me, someone else. Thanks. “Conservatism consists of exactly one proposition …There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.” Frank Wilhoit

04-01-2006, 04:00 AM	#14
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	It's really easy to defend someone by going after Bud Selig. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

04-01-2006, 05:34 AM	#17
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	I think amphetamines are just so widely accepted for so long that nobody bats an eye at it, while steroids are alien to the baseball culture and thus perceived as more threatening to the old school folks in the game. Personally I wish they'd crack down on both and be done with it. Bill Maher had a rant sometime back on this on how speed is America's drug of choice and he's right. Red Bull, Starbucks, you name it. We go for that extra pep all the time. I freely admit it. Coffee is now my lone vice since I stopped drinking. But I'd say it's a pretty far stretch from a cup of coffee to popping speed. __________________ "The type and formula of most schemes of philanthropy or humanitarianism is this: A and B put their heads together to decide what C shall be made to do for D. The radical vice of all these schemes, from a sociological point of view, is that C is not allowed a voice in the matter, and his position, character, and interests, as well as the ultimate effects on society through C's interests, are entirely overlooked. I call C the Forgotten Man" - William Graham Sumner

03-31-2006, 07:29 PM	#2
UngratefulDead Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 3,415	GREGG ZAUN IS ON THE JUICE HEARD IT HERE FIRST THANK YOU I AM OUT

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Astros33Resurrected Hall Of Famer Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Lufkin, TX Posts: 2,213	baseball is on a witch hunt after the most recent book that came out about steroids.

04-01-2006, 03:14 AM	#7
QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Connecticut Posts: 2,008	LaTroy Hawkins apparently made some similarly dumb comments within the past few days. I would love to see a high profile player step up and call on Bonds to retire. Then everyone can pick a side and have at it. It would be like an OT drama with steroid-inflated millionaires on one side and inflated ego elitist millionaires on the other.

04-01-2006, 03:27 AM	#12
DiMaggio5CF All Star Reserve Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 921	The only reason that baseball is on a witchhunt is because for the past eight-plus years, we've repeatedly seen magic tricks performed on the field and magic spells cast on players' bats. The only reason that baseball is on a witchhunt is because several of the top stars have been proven to be witches, a few have admitted to being witches, and others have tested positive for being witches. If baseball is on a witchhunt, it's only because it's extremely clear that Major League Baseball is plagued with witchcraft. If baseball is on a witchunt, it's because even the most skeptical can't ignore the overwhelming amount of evidence against the accused witches. If baseball is on a witchhunt, then it's the defenders of the witches, not the accusers, who are trying to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. If baseball is on a witchhunt, then this might be the only witchhunt that produces true, honest-to-goodness witches.