Pitcher Ratings

Hotblack Desiato · 03-16-2006, 08:47 PM

After seeing Greg Maddux import as a mediocre pitcher yet again, I have to ask how pitchers will be rated in BM. I searched for "ratings" and caught nothing of relevance, but apologies if I've missed a long (or not) discussion.

Are we going to see the same essentially renamed ratings of strikeouts, walks and homeruns? Will GB% be relevant? How will you account for the ultimate finesse pitcher a la Maddux? Or is this the subject of a coming blog?

sfgiants88 · 03-16-2006, 09:12 PM

I believe the same ratings will carry over (stuff, movement, control)

The effect of movement will be toned down and GB% will now be relevant (to which extent, I do not know)

Hotblack Desiato · 03-16-2006, 10:13 PM

To be honest, I'm rather disappointed that the pitching ratings haven't changed. I still don't understand what the difference between "stuff" and "movement" is supposed to be.

sfgiants88 · 03-16-2006, 10:20 PM

Stuff has to do with ability of a pitcher to prevent hits and induce strikeouts.

Movement only has to do with preventing homeruns.

sfgiants88 · 03-16-2006, 10:25 PM

Here's a more thorough explanation: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar....php?t=106469&

Gorilla Shakespeare · 03-17-2006, 03:09 AM

To me, stuff is how well a pitcher's pitches move. A guy with a wicked slider or a curveball that falls off the table has good stuff.

Movement is how well the pitcher is able to move pitches about the strike zone. Pete Alexander, who would have had a turrible low Movement, was known as "Old Low And Away". He did give up a good number of homeruns once the dead ball era gave way. Another guy with good Stuff but maybe not so great Movement would have been Robin Roberts. For a more modern example, Kaz Sasaki. That guy was all about mixing his nasty fastball with an equally nasty splitter. However, when players guessed right on Option Number One, the pitch went a long, long way.

03-16-2006, 08:47 PM	#1
Hotblack Desiato Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 323	Pitcher Ratings After seeing Greg Maddux import as a mediocre pitcher yet again, I have to ask how pitchers will be rated in BM. I searched for "ratings" and caught nothing of relevance, but apologies if I've missed a long (or not) discussion. Are we going to see the same essentially renamed ratings of strikeouts, walks and homeruns? Will GB% be relevant? How will you account for the ultimate finesse pitcher a la Maddux? Or is this the subject of a coming blog?

03-16-2006, 09:12 PM	#2
sfgiants88 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 885	I believe the same ratings will carry over (stuff, movement, control) The effect of movement will be toned down and GB% will now be relevant (to which extent, I do not know)

03-16-2006, 10:13 PM	#3
Hotblack Desiato Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 323	To be honest, I'm rather disappointed that the pitching ratings haven't changed. I still don't understand what the difference between "stuff" and "movement" is supposed to be.

03-16-2006, 10:20 PM	#4
sfgiants88 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 885	Stuff has to do with ability of a pitcher to prevent hits and induce strikeouts. Movement only has to do with preventing homeruns.

03-16-2006, 10:25 PM	#5
sfgiants88 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 885	Here's a more thorough explanation: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar....php?t=106469&

03-17-2006, 03:09 AM	#6
Gorilla Shakespeare Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 405	To me, stuff is how well a pitcher's pitches move. A guy with a wicked slider or a curveball that falls off the table has good stuff. Movement is how well the pitcher is able to move pitches about the strike zone. Pete Alexander, who would have had a turrible low Movement, was known as "Old Low And Away". He did give up a good number of homeruns once the dead ball era gave way. Another guy with good Stuff but maybe not so great Movement would have been Robin Roberts. For a more modern example, Kaz Sasaki. That guy was all about mixing his nasty fastball with an equally nasty splitter. However, when players guessed right on Option Number One, the pitch went a long, long way.