OOTP-TS Baseball Hall Of Fame - First Basemen, poll 2

andymac · 01-31-2006, 05:35 PM

Eckstein 4 Prez · 01-31-2006, 06:33 PM

UD, please tell me that voting "yes" on Cepeda while simultaneously voting "no" on Killebrew was a mistake.

UngratefulDead · 01-31-2006, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eckstein 4 Prez

UD, please tell me that voting "yes" on Cepeda while simultaneously voting "no" on Killebrew was a mistake.

You know what would be cool? If these candidates were alphabetical or something!

andymac · 01-31-2006, 07:00 PM

If you screw up, let me know...I'll reflect it in the official results.

darkhorse · 01-31-2006, 07:12 PM

Norm Cash was a bad mofo. Dayam! What a fine player.

darkhorse · 01-31-2006, 07:30 PM

Buck Leonard is a no-brainer for the HOF. Career Major League Equivalencies below from the Hall of Merit thread. Career OBP estimated at .417!!!!

http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/...n/buck_leonard

Code:

Year   EqG   PA    BB   Hits   TB    BA     OBP    SA
1934   126   529   77   148   210   .326   .424   .463
1935   154   647   96   166   223   .301   .404   .405
1936   153   643   98   165   270   .303   .409   .496
1937   151   634   98   170   264   .318   .424   .493
1938   152   638   99   185   305   .343   .445   .565
1939   154   647  103   183   312   .337   .443   .575
1940   154   647  105   177   291   .326   .436   .537
1941   151   634  105   145   244   .274   .394   .460
1942    85   357   58    65    92   .218   .346   .308
1943   154   647  107   146   217   .269   .390   .401
1944   152   638  108   157   222   .295   .414   .418
1945   140   588   92   157   207   .316   .422   .418
1946   135   540   81   131   197   .285   .392   .429
1947   120   480   72   143   221   .349   .447   .543
1948   100   400   60   118   201   .347   .445   .592
      2081  8669  1358  2255  3477  .308   .417   .476

darkhorse · 01-31-2006, 07:36 PM

Sadaharu Oh played 110 exhibition games against major leaguers. He had 338 at bats and hit for a .260 average with 88 walks for a .413 on-base percentage. He also slugged 14 doubles, no triples and 25 homers among his hits, for a .524 slugging average.

darkhorse · 01-31-2006, 07:44 PM

dola,

Davey Johnson (the only man to have been a teammate of Oh and Aaron)[from the Sporting News, January 7, 1978, page 37]: Oh would have hit 700 homers over here. He would be a good hitter anywhere in the world. Quality is still quality.

Davey Johnson again, this time from Deford’s Sports Illustrated article: You couldn’t find a better [fielding] first baseman

Tom Seaver: He sure hit me. He was a superb hitter. He hit consistently, and he hit with power. If he played in the United States, he would have hit 20-25 home runs a year, and what’s more, he’d hit .300. He’d be a lifetime .300 hitter. He had tremendous discipline at the plate. He knew the strike zone extremely well . . . .He could pull your hard stuff, and you couldn’t fool him off-speed.

Hal McRae: Oh had tremendous patience as a hitter . . . He had good power. I don’t know how many he would have hit here . . . start with 20 (a year) . . . at least. He was a great all-star. He’d have been a Hall of Famer.

Pete Rose: There’s no question in my mind he wouldn’t have hit 800 home runs if he’d played here, but if he played in a park tailored to his swing, he’d have hit his 35 [homers] a year. . . He’d hit .300, I’ll tell you that.

Don Baylor: Oh could have played anywhere at any time. If he played in Yankee Stadium, being the left handed pull hitter he is, I have no doubt he’d hit 40 home runs a year.

Frank Howard: You can kiss my ass if he wouldn’t have hit 30 or 35 home runs a year and hit anywhere from .280 to .320 and drive in up to 120 runs a year. The point being, he rates with the all-time stars of the game.

Greg Luzinski: There’s no question he’d have been a great player in the United States, that he was a super talent.

Brooks Robinson: He could have played right here in the big leagues with the best players in the world. He would have hit here. Not as many home runs, but he would have hit his share and hit for average. He was just an outstanding hitter.

Frank Robinson: I’m sure he would have hit in the 30’s (of homers per year) and probably in the low 40’s. . . . Thirty home runs a year add up to over 600 home runs, and he’d do that if he played the same number of years here that he played there.

Don Drysdale: He would have hit for average and power here. In a park tailored to his swing, there’s no telling how many he would have hit. . . . He was always ready for anything we threw him. We were all impressed.

darkhorse · 01-31-2006, 07:50 PM

triola,

Sadaharu Oh's major league equivalencies as compiled at the links below.

http://baseballguru.com/jalbright/an...lbright12.html

http://baseballguru.com/jalbright/an...lbright13.html

Code:

Games AB Hits 2B 3B HR TB walks avg OBP Slg 2995 9939 2778 372 39 527 4809 2235 0.279 0.412 0.484

The Professor · 01-31-2006, 08:27 PM

I was sold on Oh long ago...even before I researched him for inclusion in the SO49 draft. Simply put: a Hall of Famer!!

dodgecharger1968 · 01-31-2006, 10:06 PM

Wow, Klu was really pretty weak when you check into it... Why is Killer a 1B?

dodgecharger1968 · 01-31-2006, 10:08 PM

And no love for Stormin' Norman, wow, it's Freehan and Parrish all over again!

Eckstein 4 Prez · 01-31-2006, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dodgecharger1968

And no love for Stormin' Norman, wow, it's Freehan and Parrish all over again!

I dunno about Parrish and Norm, but you're preaching to the choir on Freehan. I don't know why people don't see him as a Hall of Famer.

TonyJ · 01-31-2006, 10:55 PM

Five votes for Cash? Five????

darkhorse · 01-31-2006, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyJ

Five votes for Cash? Five????

I didn't vote for him, but agonized over the decision. He was a great player, hall or no hall.

canadiancreed · 01-31-2006, 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darkhorse

I didn't vote for him, but agonized over the decision. He was a great player, hall or no hall.

you coudl say tht for a lot of them in this position. Talk about HOF's to burn

CONN CHRIS · 01-31-2006, 11:42 PM

Luke Easter really gets screwed by circumstance. He was in his mid thirties when he was a 'rookie' and slugged .481 over four years. By age forty he was back in the minors tearing it up against very good competition for another half of a decade. He is said to have hit the first ball into the Polo Grounds center field bleachers and smashed a 477 footer at Cleveland Municipal.

One of those guys that you can only wonder what could have been with a full MLB career.

In his only three full MLB seasons 1950-1953:

AB/HR/RBI/BA/OBA/SLG

540/107/28/280/373/487
486/103/27/270/333/481
437/97/31/263/337/513

And that aged 34-36! (broke in as a 'rookie' in '49 at 33)

darkhorse · 01-31-2006, 11:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dodgecharger1968

1. Wow, Klu was really pretty weak when you check into it...

2. Why is Killer a 1B?

1. If you mean he's an excellent player, but no HOF, I agree.

2. Played more games at first (969) than third (791). Had his best season playing first (1967) and amassed the most career value there.

dodgecharger1968 · 02-01-2006, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by darkhorse

1. If you mean he's an excellent player, but no HOF, I agree.

2. Played more games at first (969) than third (791). Had his best season playing first (1967) and amassed the most career value there.

Yeah, that was my take on Klu, though until I looked I thought he was a shoe in. And I always thought of Killebrew as on the hot corner, for some reason.

LivnLegend · 02-01-2006, 01:17 AM

Crap, left of Stretch. Sorry.

01-31-2006, 05:35 PM	#1
andymac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Effingham, IL Posts: 5,725	OOTP-TS Baseball Hall Of Fame - First Basemen, poll 2 Please vote for the candidates which you feel deserve to be in the OOTP-TS Baseball Hall Of Fame. I ask that you give consideration to each candidate, I have linked references for easy access. A player requires 75% of the TS vote to be inducted. If you do not see any worthy candidates in this poll, please select the "None" option at the bottom so that your vote is counted in the percentages. I will discount any votes made by aliases, so please do not use them. Follow this link to see who will be candidates in upcoming polls as well as for links to other open polls: http://www.ootpdevelopments.com/boar...d.php?t=110326 Here are your candidates: Buck Leonard (1933-1950) http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/.../buck_leonard/ http://www.baseball-reference.com/no...eonabu99.shtml Johnny Mize (1936-1953) http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mizejo01.shtml http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/mizejo01.shtml Mickey Vernon (1939-1960) http://www.baseball-reference.com/v/vernomi01.shtml http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/vernomi01.shtml Gil Hodges (1943-1963 http://www.baseball-reference.com/h/hodgegi01.shtml http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/hodgegi01.shtml Ted Kluszewski (1947-1961) http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/kluszte01.shtml http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/kluszte01.shtml Luke Easter (1949-1962) http://www.baseballthinkfactory.org/...n/luke_easter/ http://www.baseball-reference.com/e/eastelu01.shtml http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/eastelu01.shtml Harmon Killebrew (1954-1975) http://www.baseball-reference.com/k/killeha01.shtml http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/killeha01.shtml Norm Cash (1958-1974) http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cashno01.shtml http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/cashno01.shtml Orlando Cepeda (1958-1974) http://www.baseball-reference.com/c/cepedor01.shtml http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/cepedor01.shtml Willie McCovey (1959-1980) http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/mccovwi01.shtml http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/mccovwi01.shtml Sadaharu Oh (1959-1980) http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Sadaharu_Oh http://baseballguru.com/jalbright/In...ml#Sadaharu_Oh Boog Powell (1961-1977) http://www.baseball-reference.com/p/powelbo01.shtml http://www.baseballprospectus.com/dt/powelbo01.shtml __________________ June Madness: Links FTB: andymac

01-31-2006, 06:33 PM	#2
Eckstein 4 Prez Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: The OC Posts: 6,358	UD, please tell me that voting "yes" on Cepeda while simultaneously voting "no" on Killebrew was a mistake. __________________ Looking for an insomnia cure? Check out my dynasty thread, The Dawn of American Professional Base Ball, 1871.

01-31-2006, 07:00 PM	#4
andymac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Effingham, IL Posts: 5,725	If you screw up, let me know...I'll reflect it in the official results. __________________ June Madness: Links FTB: andymac

01-31-2006, 07:12 PM	#5
darkhorse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: fort worth, tx Posts: 10,850	Norm Cash was a bad mofo. Dayam! What a fine player. __________________ "The Human Torch was denied a bank loan."

01-31-2006, 07:36 PM	#7
darkhorse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: fort worth, tx Posts: 10,850	Sadaharu Oh played 110 exhibition games against major leaguers. He had 338 at bats and hit for a .260 average with 88 walks for a .413 on-base percentage. He also slugged 14 doubles, no triples and 25 homers among his hits, for a .524 slugging average. __________________ "The Human Torch was denied a bank loan." Last edited by darkhorse; 01-31-2006 at 07:38 PM.

View Poll Results: Who belongs in the OOTP-TS Baseball HOF?
Buck Leonard	27	46.55%
Johnny Mize	41	70.69%
Mickey Vernon	1	1.72%
Gil Hodges	14	24.14%
Ted Kluszewski	5	8.62%
Luke Easter	7	12.07%
Harmon Killebrew	53	91.38%
Norm Cash	9	15.52%
Orlando Cepeda	18	31.03%
Willie McCovey	53	91.38%
Sadaharu Oh	38	65.52%
Boog Powell	5	8.62%
-None-	0	0%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 58. You may not vote on this poll

01-31-2006, 07:44 PM	#8
darkhorse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: fort worth, tx Posts: 10,850	dola, Davey Johnson (the only man to have been a teammate of Oh and Aaron)[from the Sporting News, January 7, 1978, page 37]: Oh would have hit 700 homers over here. He would be a good hitter anywhere in the world. Quality is still quality. Davey Johnson again, this time from Deford’s Sports Illustrated article: You couldn’t find a better [fielding] first baseman Tom Seaver: He sure hit me. He was a superb hitter. He hit consistently, and he hit with power. If he played in the United States, he would have hit 20-25 home runs a year, and what’s more, he’d hit .300. He’d be a lifetime .300 hitter. He had tremendous discipline at the plate. He knew the strike zone extremely well . . . .He could pull your hard stuff, and you couldn’t fool him off-speed. Hal McRae: Oh had tremendous patience as a hitter . . . He had good power. I don’t know how many he would have hit here . . . start with 20 (a year) . . . at least. He was a great all-star. He’d have been a Hall of Famer. Pete Rose: There’s no question in my mind he wouldn’t have hit 800 home runs if he’d played here, but if he played in a park tailored to his swing, he’d have hit his 35 [homers] a year. . . He’d hit .300, I’ll tell you that. Don Baylor: Oh could have played anywhere at any time. If he played in Yankee Stadium, being the left handed pull hitter he is, I have no doubt he’d hit 40 home runs a year. Frank Howard: You can kiss my ass if he wouldn’t have hit 30 or 35 home runs a year and hit anywhere from .280 to .320 and drive in up to 120 runs a year. The point being, he rates with the all-time stars of the game. Greg Luzinski: There’s no question he’d have been a great player in the United States, that he was a super talent. Brooks Robinson: He could have played right here in the big leagues with the best players in the world. He would have hit here. Not as many home runs, but he would have hit his share and hit for average. He was just an outstanding hitter. Frank Robinson: I’m sure he would have hit in the 30’s (of homers per year) and probably in the low 40’s. . . . Thirty home runs a year add up to over 600 home runs, and he’d do that if he played the same number of years here that he played there. Don Drysdale: He would have hit for average and power here. In a park tailored to his swing, there’s no telling how many he would have hit. . . . He was always ready for anything we threw him. We were all impressed. __________________ "The Human Torch was denied a bank loan."

01-31-2006, 07:50 PM	#9
darkhorse Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: fort worth, tx Posts: 10,850	triola, Sadaharu Oh's major league equivalencies as compiled at the links below. http://baseballguru.com/jalbright/an...lbright12.html http://baseballguru.com/jalbright/an...lbright13.html Code: Games AB Hits 2B 3B HR TB walks avg OBP Slg 2995 9939 2778 372 39 527 4809 2235 0.279 0.412 0.484 __________________ "The Human Torch was denied a bank loan."

01-31-2006, 08:27 PM	#10
The Professor Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: East of East Posts: 3,020	I was sold on Oh long ago...even before I researched him for inclusion in the SO49 draft. Simply put: a Hall of Famer!! __________________ History isn't really about the past - settling old scores. It's about defining the present and who we are."

01-31-2006, 10:06 PM	#11
dodgecharger1968 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 223	Wow, Klu was really pretty weak when you check into it... Why is Killer a 1B?

01-31-2006, 10:08 PM	#12
dodgecharger1968 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 223	And no love for Stormin' Norman, wow, it's Freehan and Parrish all over again!

01-31-2006, 10:55 PM	#14
TonyJ Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Gassin' Kurds Posts: 2,019	Five votes for Cash? Five???? __________________ My Podcasts: Talk Democratic Dysfunction Name Two Bands with Andy and Andy

01-31-2006, 11:42 PM	#17
CONN CHRIS Global Moderator Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 29,077	Luke Easter really gets screwed by circumstance. He was in his mid thirties when he was a 'rookie' and slugged .481 over four years. By age forty he was back in the minors tearing it up against very good competition for another half of a decade. He is said to have hit the first ball into the Polo Grounds center field bleachers and smashed a 477 footer at Cleveland Municipal. One of those guys that you can only wonder what could have been with a full MLB career. In his only three full MLB seasons 1950-1953: AB/HR/RBI/BA/OBA/SLG 540/107/28/280/373/487 486/103/27/270/333/481 437/97/31/263/337/513 And that aged 34-36! (broke in as a 'rookie' in '49 at 33) __________________ Check Out My Cards!

02-01-2006, 01:17 AM	#20
LivnLegend Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: 100% pure adrenaline! Posts: 5,624	Crap, left of Stretch. Sorry. __________________ Excess ain't rebellion. You're drinking what they're selling.