Nfl Mvp

TonyJ · 12-31-2005, 05:16 PM

Self-explanatory. Who do you think deserves the award?

mlyons · 12-31-2005, 05:22 PM

Tiki Barber.

(An admittedly biased opinion.)

TonyJ · 12-31-2005, 05:23 PM

So is my vote for Shaun Alexander

mlyons · 12-31-2005, 05:27 PM

And you have as legitimate an argument as I do, I think.

TonyJ · 12-31-2005, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

And you have as legitimate an argument as I do, I think.

In terms of raw numbers and touchdowns, Alexander has a far better argument. However, Alexander also has the bets run blocking left side in all of football and a very good passing game helping him out. Barber has a second year QB who is nowhere near as good (yet) as Hasselbeck and not nearly the offensive line. He's pretty well carried that offense this year.

mlyons · 12-31-2005, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyJ

In terms of raw numbers and touchdowns, Alexander has a far better argument. However, Alexander also has the bets run blocking left side in all of football and a very good passing game helping him out. Barber has a second year QB who is nowhere near as good (yet) as Hasselbeck and not nearly the offensive line. He's pretty well carried that offense this year.

Going by raw numbers, Barber has about 250 more yards from scrimmage that Alexander. That 150 yard advantage Alexander has in rushing yardage is more than offset by the 400 yard advantage Barber has in receiving yardage, if you ask me. The touchdowns are the only real legitimate argument for picking Alexander over Barber (although it's a pretty good one).

TonyJ · 12-31-2005, 05:33 PM

Yeah, I meant the TD's. He has tied the NFL record, after all.

twins15 · 12-31-2005, 05:34 PM

I have to go with Tom Brady, I think. The defense was awful earlier this year, the line was beaten up (and Brady was getting crushed back there because of it), they lost both coordinators, and the Patriots had Heath Evans as the primary running back for a while... and here they are at 10-5, in the playoffs again. And Brady is having the best year of his career, in spite of all of this. I'd give him my vote.

But I really think all 5 of those listed in the poll are viable candidates, and wouldn't have a prroblem with any of them winning.

TonyJ · 12-31-2005, 05:34 PM

Yeah, as with coach of the year there are five very strong candidates.

randomlefty10 · 12-31-2005, 05:36 PM

I think Miami, Buffalo and New York are more responsible for New England being 10-5 than Brady.

TonyJ · 12-31-2005, 05:37 PM

Miami is actually a fairly decent team. At least they have been in the second half, anyway.

Andy · 12-31-2005, 05:53 PM

I voted for Palmer. My opinion is biased as well.

darkhorse · 12-31-2005, 06:43 PM

Dwight Freeney.

Luis_Rivera · 12-31-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TonyJ

Miami is actually a fairly decent team. At least they have been in the second half, anyway.

They're a very solid team when their QB plays like, well... a QB.

Shaun Alexander (although he is without question a top 3 back, and probably the best back this year) is overrated because of all the TD's he scores. Think of it like the guy who gets the press because he gets a lot of RBI in baseball.

My vote would go to either Carson Palmer or Tom Brady.

rem · 12-31-2005, 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

...is overrated because of all the TD's he scores. Think of it like the guy who gets the press because he gets a lot of RBI in baseball.

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matskralc · 12-31-2005, 08:09 PM

I'm not sure that I could name three Bengals other than Carson Palmer. This highly scientific study is why I voted for him.

Dwolfson20 · 12-31-2005, 08:19 PM

It kills me to vote for Brady, but I think there are good arguments against both Barber and Alexander. And of course, it would have been Manning after 14 weeks.

If the Chiefs somehow wind up in the playoffs, consider my vote changed to Larry Johnson.

Dwolfson20 · 12-31-2005, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by matskralc

I'm not sure that I could name three Bengals other than Carson Palmer. This highly scientific study is why I voted for him.

He's not even the most well-known player on his own offense.

abailey3313 · 12-31-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by matskralc

I'm not sure that I could name three Bengals other than Carson Palmer. This highly scientific study is why I voted for him.

1. Aaron Schobel
2. Deltha O'Neil
3. Odell Thurman

mlyons · 12-31-2005, 08:25 PM

For the record, Tiki Barber is already over 100 yards rushing only seven minutes into tonight's game.

View Poll Results: Who should win the NFL MVP
Shaun Alexander	43	46.74%
Tiki Barber	10	10.87%
Tom Brady	10	10.87%
Peyton Manning	9	9.78%
Carson Palmer	17	18.48%
Other, specify	3	3.26%
Voters: 92. You may not vote on this poll

12-31-2005, 05:16 PM	#1
TonyJ Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Gassin' Kurds Posts: 2,019	Nfl Mvp Self-explanatory. Who do you think deserves the award? __________________ My Podcasts: Talk Democratic Dysfunction Name Two Bands with Andy and Andy

12-31-2005, 05:22 PM	#2
mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	Tiki Barber. (An admittedly biased opinion.) __________________ Things can always be worse.

12-31-2005, 05:23 PM	#3
TonyJ Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Gassin' Kurds Posts: 2,019	So is my vote for Shaun Alexander __________________ My Podcasts: Talk Democratic Dysfunction Name Two Bands with Andy and Andy

12-31-2005, 05:27 PM	#4
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12-31-2005, 05:34 PM	#8
twins15 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Area 51 Posts: 4,792	I have to go with Tom Brady, I think. The defense was awful earlier this year, the line was beaten up (and Brady was getting crushed back there because of it), they lost both coordinators, and the Patriots had Heath Evans as the primary running back for a while... and here they are at 10-5, in the playoffs again. And Brady is having the best year of his career, in spite of all of this. I'd give him my vote. But I really think all 5 of those listed in the poll are viable candidates, and wouldn't have a prroblem with any of them winning. __________________ "Ah man we're just hungry man" - Dovonte Edwards Bismarck Boy Scouts of the OTBL - league yes-man Ross Gload at baseball-reference.com Book Quotes and Book Lists

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12-31-2005, 05:37 PM	#11
TonyJ Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Gassin' Kurds Posts: 2,019	Miami is actually a fairly decent team. At least they have been in the second half, anyway. __________________ My Podcasts: Talk Democratic Dysfunction Name Two Bands with Andy and Andy

12-31-2005, 05:53 PM	#12
Andy Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Dayton, OH Posts: 2,270	I voted for Palmer. My opinion is biased as well.

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12-31-2005, 08:09 PM	#16
matskralc Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,076	I'm not sure that I could name three Bengals other than Carson Palmer. This highly scientific study is why I voted for him. __________________ Well, they have a saying here in Texas ... but they probably don't have it in California, so never mind. OTBL - Pennsylvania Fightin' Amish ABC - Pittsburgh Puma OCHO - Pittsburgh Pirates EBU - Commissioner

12-31-2005, 08:19 PM	#17
Dwolfson20 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Not St. Louis Posts: 2,872	It kills me to vote for Brady, but I think there are good arguments against both Barber and Alexander. And of course, it would have been Manning after 14 weeks. If the Chiefs somehow wind up in the playoffs, consider my vote changed to Larry Johnson. __________________

12-31-2005, 08:25 PM	#20
mlyons Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 3,725	For the record, Tiki Barber is already over 100 yards rushing only seven minutes into tonight's game. __________________ Things can always be worse.