Mike Aa****a

cooper_gd · 10-30-2005, 03:09 PM

On ESPN's 'Huddle Show' this morning. Called Shaun Alexander soft and Thomas Jones 'the real deal'. Zeus™! Ok, be a Bears fan, but can you check into a reality motel on the way to your next Bears game?

So he had the fortune to coach one of the best and toughest RBs ever; but he also mortgaged the Saints entire future on Ricky Freaking Williams.

Good call Mike. btw: Try finishing the last word in a sentence when you talk.

Jonzard · 10-30-2005, 03:24 PM

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sorry couldnt help myself

gmo · 10-30-2005, 03:35 PM

Not recalling who the guy is, I thought maybe this thread would be a rant about Hank-Aaron-knocking-downer David Aardesma himself being bumped from the first spot in the alphabetically-ordered list of major league baseball players

Jonzard · 10-30-2005, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gmo

Not recalling who the guy is

Yea I didnt get it at first either. Im pretty sure its Ditka.

GeoWar · 10-30-2005, 03:45 PM

Is this about "the Coach" or about 2 different running backs.... Seattle chose Alexander over Green ... Jones has traveled around looking for a system that fits his skills .... Atlanta chose "Whoever" over Farve (had to just throw that out there) ...

Alexander has looked most of the time to avoid the hit and run to the sideline when trapped -- he is not the only back to do that Dorsett was always accused of doing the same ..... Jones has a style that he will drive and twist off the tackler so he does not get the same crit ....

Ricky Williams is/has been a great back and key part of all teams he has been a part of... Ask yourself " Where was New Orleans before the pick?" .. Did New Orleans overpay ? The draft was not that deep. It was a tough call ... I agree it was OVERKILL but it got fans interested and lots of press - New Orleans needed that.

But as far as comparing backs --- it is always apples and oranges ....

cooper_gd · 10-30-2005, 04:58 PM

Yards and touchdowns are pretty good comparative stats when it comes down to looking at two running backs side by side. Er, or at least I've always thought so.

Jones: 873atts/3480yds/4.0ave/25td 166rec/1126yds/0td in 75 games since 2000.

Alexander: 1499atts/6713yds/4.5ave/74td 180rec/1341yds/10td in 87 games since 2000.

That's not really apples and oranges. That's a rocket ship v a tug boat.

cooper_gd · 10-30-2005, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonzard

Yea I didnt get it at first either. Im pretty sure its Ditka.

I thought on a sports message board that mentioning mortgaging the Saints future on Ricky Williams might be a dead give-a-way. Sorry about that.

cooper_gd · 10-30-2005, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoWar

Alexander has looked most of the time to avoid the hit and run to the sideline when trapped -- he is not the only back to do that Dorsett was always accused of doing the same .....

As was Dickerson; as was Sayers. Styles and styles. SA is one of the top 3 backs in the league - only Holmes and LT are ahead of him - and those three guys are eons ahead of the 4-10 backs. Edge is close but has never regaind burst; Falk is washed up.

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Jones has a style that he will drive and twist off the tackler so he does not get the same crit ....

Or he can't avoid being hit like Alexander does

Therefore he has no choice.

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Ricky Williams is/has been a great back and key part of all teams he has been a part of... Ask yourself " Where was New Orleans before the pick?" .. Did New Orleans overpay ? The draft was not that deep. It was a tough call ... I agree it was OVERKILL but it got fans interested and lots of press - New Orleans needed that.

I'm not real sure what you mean. I don't think Rickey Williams has ever been worth an entire teams draft (+1?). I mean, maybe in a James Wilder kinda way; not in a Priest Holmes kinda way.

Luis_Rivera · 10-30-2005, 05:37 PM

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only Holmes and LT are ahead of him

At this point, I think Alexander and LT are 1 and 1a. Holmes?? He's old and pretty much done as an elite back.

sebastian0622 · 10-30-2005, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

At this point, I think Alexander and LT are 1 and 1a. Holmes?? He's old and pretty much done as an elite back.

Who is this Shaun Alexander guy? ESPN never talks about him...

mlyons · 10-30-2005, 06:02 PM

Tiki!

drprestwood · 10-30-2005, 06:07 PM

I cannot believe this thread was edited by the admin.
We're not preschoolers. Unbelievable.

Luis_Rivera · 10-30-2005, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

Tiki!

Well, he had his best season of his career last year... but he's 30 now... still very good, but not quite at the level of Alexander/Tomlinson.

mlyons · 10-30-2005, 06:37 PM

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Well, he had his best season of his career last year... but he's 30 now... still very good, but not quite at the level of Alexander/Tomlinson.

Had the best game of his career today, too.

EDIT: I'm incredibly biased where Barber is concerned, though. Not only does he play for my favorite NFL team, but he was also in my college graduating class. Easily my favorite athlete in any sport.

Spielman · 10-30-2005, 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by drprestwood

I cannot believe this thread was edited by the admin.
We're not preschoolers. Unbelievable.

Well.

Most of us aren't.

cooper_gd · 10-30-2005, 09:50 PM

Yeah, I got a pre-warning. Woot!

GeoWar · 10-31-2005, 02:28 AM

Cooper gd -- How many teams for Holmes before he got the fit with KC ? For the point of discussion, I had never heard of Sayers or Dickenson being step out type ballcarriers ... NEVER would you say it about Bettis, E. Campbell, J. Taylor or J. Brown.

What has Portis done in Washington ? NOT what he did in Denver.

Apples and Oranges -- Styles and systems -- It is why coaches want a say in player selection, they want someone "they" feel fits their system ... That is also why teams that change coaches every 3 to 4 years don't win consistently ... Alexander is one of the top 3 "fantasy" RB's, I won't argue but the difference between 4,5,6,&7 isn't consistently that different .. I have never picked him in the 1st rd and have him on 2 yahoo teams ...

Jestor · 10-31-2005, 05:36 AM

I'd say Shaun Alexander is the most underrated back in the NFL. It wasn't until a couple years ago that I realized just how good he really is.

cooper_gd · 10-31-2005, 06:39 AM

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Cooper gd -- How many teams for Holmes before he got the fit with KC ?

Uhhh.. one?

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For the point of discussion, I had never heard of Sayers or Dickenson being step out type ballcarriers ...

Really? That was the major 'knock' against Dickerson. He was my favorite player in the NFL in his days with LA. I remember having to listen to that swill just about every week. Oh, and if there one thing Ditka would like Barry Sanders to do to really make Barry great...

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NEVER would you say it about Bettis, E. Campbell, J. Taylor or J. Brown.

. So? Those guys were all great backs, not Thomas Jones.

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What has Portis done in Washington ? NOT what he did in Denver.

Pretty much the same as Olandis Gary.

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Apples and Oranges -- Styles and systems -- It is why coaches want a say in player selection, they want someone "they" feel fits their system ... That is also why teams that change coaches every 3 to 4 years don't win consistently ... Alexander is one of the top 3 "fantasy" RB's, I won't argue but the difference between 4,5,6,&7 isn't consistently that different .. I have never picked him in the 1st rd and have him on 2 yahoo teams ...

I could not care any less at all about fantasy football - and I'm not sure what your point is... unless you are saying that there is not much difference between Shaun Alexander and Thomas Jones, Rudi Johnson, and Steven Jackson. If that is the case, I will have to continue to disagree. Sometimes the system makes the back - but sometimes the back makes the system. The top backs will always be the latter; not the former.

Jestor · 10-31-2005, 07:20 AM

Jim Brown was probably the greatest athlete of all time. Not only did he pwn at football, but he was a lacrosse star, too.

10-30-2005, 03:09 PM	#1
cooper_gd All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: PopBunker.net Posts: 1,011	Mike Aa****a On ESPN's 'Huddle Show' this morning. Called Shaun Alexander soft and Thomas Jones 'the real deal'. Zeus™! Ok, be a Bears fan, but can you check into a reality motel on the way to your next Bears game? So he had the fortune to coach one of the best and toughest RBs ever; but he also mortgaged the Saints entire future on Ricky Freaking Williams. Good call Mike. btw: Try finishing the last word in a sentence when you talk. __________________

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GeoWar All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 850	Is this about "the Coach" or about 2 different running backs.... Seattle chose Alexander over Green ... Jones has traveled around looking for a system that fits his skills .... Atlanta chose "Whoever" over Farve (had to just throw that out there) ... Alexander has looked most of the time to avoid the hit and run to the sideline when trapped -- he is not the only back to do that Dorsett was always accused of doing the same ..... Jones has a style that he will drive and twist off the tackler so he does not get the same crit .... Ricky Williams is/has been a great back and key part of all teams he has been a part of... Ask yourself " Where was New Orleans before the pick?" .. Did New Orleans overpay ? The draft was not that deep. It was a tough call ... I agree it was OVERKILL but it got fans interested and lots of press - New Orleans needed that. But as far as comparing backs --- it is always apples and oranges .... __________________ Cal. State Fullerton -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2004 Texas Longhorns -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2005 Oregon State Beavers -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2006 and 2007 With unity comes VICTORY !

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cooper_gd All Star Starter Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: PopBunker.net Posts: 1,011	Yards and touchdowns are pretty good comparative stats when it comes down to looking at two running backs side by side. Er, or at least I've always thought so. Jones: 873atts/3480yds/4.0ave/25td 166rec/1126yds/0td in 75 games since 2000. Alexander: 1499atts/6713yds/4.5ave/74td 180rec/1341yds/10td in 87 games since 2000. That's not really apples and oranges. That's a rocket ship v a tug boat. __________________

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gmo Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2002 Location: Longmont, CO Posts: 3,402	Not recalling who the guy is, I thought maybe this thread would be a rant about Hank-Aaron-knocking-downer David Aardesma himself being bumped from the first spot in the alphabetically-ordered list of major league baseball players

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drprestwood All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,501	I cannot believe this thread was edited by the admin. We're not preschoolers. Unbelievable.

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GeoWar All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 850	Cooper gd -- How many teams for Holmes before he got the fit with KC ? For the point of discussion, I had never heard of Sayers or Dickenson being step out type ballcarriers ... NEVER would you say it about Bettis, E. Campbell, J. Taylor or J. Brown. What has Portis done in Washington ? NOT what he did in Denver. Apples and Oranges -- Styles and systems -- It is why coaches want a say in player selection, they want someone "they" feel fits their system ... That is also why teams that change coaches every 3 to 4 years don't win consistently ... Alexander is one of the top 3 "fantasy" RB's, I won't argue but the difference between 4,5,6,&7 isn't consistently that different .. I have never picked him in the 1st rd and have him on 2 yahoo teams ... __________________ Cal. State Fullerton -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2004 Texas Longhorns -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2005 Oregon State Beavers -- NCAA Champion - Baseball 2006 and 2007 With unity comes VICTORY !