NFC East

mlyons · 10-23-2005, 07:31 PM

With the Giants pulling out a last-seconds comeback to win tonight, the NFC East now has a combined record of 16-9, with only a half game separating first place from last place. They're 13-6 against the rest of the league now. Is this the best division in football?

QuestGAV · 10-23-2005, 07:39 PM

They might be the best top-to-bottom. The Eagles are the only real Super Bowl contender though. I think there are 3 teams in the NFC South who can make that push, though none are as good as the Eagles.

Luis_Rivera · 10-23-2005, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mlyons

With the Giants pulling out a last-seconds comeback to win tonight, the NFC East now has a combined record of 16-9, with only a half game separating first place from last place. They're 13-6 against the rest of the league now. Is this the best division in football?

I'd say so. They look a little better than they actually are because the NFC is a weaker conference, but they're still the best 1-4.

What! · 10-23-2005, 07:48 PM

I agree no real contenders except for the Eagles. The south has Atlanta, Tampa Bay, and Carolina. But discussing NFC is a mute point all together as the Superbowl will be won by an AFC squad.

mlyons · 10-23-2005, 07:56 PM

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I agree no real contenders except for the Eagles. The south has Atlanta, Tampa Bay, and Carolina. But discussing NFC is a mute point all together as the Superbowl will be won by an AFC squad.

I'm not sure if I'd take Carolina or Atlanta over the Giants, 'Skins, or Cowboys. Atlanta can't seem to keep Vick healthy, and he hasn't been all that great when he is playing. For a team that builds their offense around one guy as much as they do, that's a real problem. The Panthers look more lucky than good at this point -- they've only outscored their opponents by a total of eight points during their current three game winning streak.

What! · 10-23-2005, 08:07 PM

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I'm not sure if I'd take Carolina or Atlanta over the Giants, 'Skins, or Cowboys. Atlanta can't seem to keep Vick healthy, and he hasn't been all that great when he is playing. For a team that builds their offense around one guy as much as they do, that's a real problem. The Panthers look more lucky than good at this point -- they've only outscored their opponents by a total of eight points during their current three game winning streak.

But when Vick is healthy deffinatly better. I also think Eli Manning is a little overrated at this point and I tend to believe the G-men have also been very lucky this year. The Skins D is Superbowl caliber but im still not sold on that offense. Only time will tell and why are they not playing L. Arrington.

Dagrims · 10-23-2005, 08:15 PM

Those friggin' Cowboys. That's all I'm going to say.

Luis_Rivera · 10-23-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by What!

But when Vick is healthy deffinatly better. I also think Eli Manning is a little overrated at this point and I tend to believe the G-men have also been very lucky this year.

Eli Manning had a terrible rookie season last year, and will probably never even come close to living up to his billing. He has been ok this year, though the 52% completion percentage shouldn't exactly frighten defenses.

Vick is by far the most overrated player in sports. I'm just wondering how long it'll be before people move past the fact that he's an amazing athlete and realize he's a mediocre quarterback (at least up to this point he's been).

Jason Moyer · 10-23-2005, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

They might be the best top-to-bottom. The Eagles are the only real Super Bowl contender though. I think there are 3 teams in the NFC South who can make that push, though none are as good as the Eagles.

I dunno if I'd agree with that. Every team in the division has weaknesses, and while I think the Eagles, healthy, would be the team to beat in the NFC, I'm not sure they're currently any better than the other 3 teams. In any case it's nice to see the conference with 4 good teams again.

The Professor · 10-23-2005, 08:38 PM

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Eli Manning had a terrible rookie season last year, and will probably never even come close to living up to his billing. He has been ok this year, though the 52% completion percentage shouldn't exactly frighten defenses.

Vick is by far the most overrated player in sports. I'm just wondering how long it'll be before people move past the fact that he's an amazing athlete and realize he's a mediocre quarterback (at least up to this point he's been).

Agreed about Vick, for the most part, but I think it is far too early to write off Manning. Plenty of great QBs have had lousy rookie campaigns. I think Manning's rookie performance is generally the rule rather than the exception (see: Ben Roethlisberger).

I understand the way the modern NFL works and that QBs are given less time to develop, but if I were a Giants fan, I'd be mostly pleased with Manning's progression from his rookie year to his sophomore season. There is room for improvement, as the completion % you noted indicates, but it is far too early to say whether he will or won't live up to his billing.

Jason · 10-23-2005, 08:57 PM

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I dunno if I'd agree with that. Every team in the division has weaknesses, and while I think the Eagles, healthy, would be the team to beat in the NFC, I'm not sure they're currently any better than the other 3 teams. In any case it's nice to see the conference with 4 good teams again.

^^ 100% agree with that. The Eagles' biggest opponent this season is going to be the injury bug.

QuestGAV · 10-23-2005, 09:14 PM

While it was only one game, the way they absolutely owned LT today told me alot about their defense - as in it's among the best in the league still. Add to that an offense that has the capability to make plays and I think they're still head and shoulders above the rest of that division (as long as McNabb stays on the field).

Eli looks alot better this year, but he's not McNabb and Burress is not TO. They do have Shockey and Barber but the Giants are not nearly the team Philly is on defense.

The Cowboys have Drew Bledsoe at QB. I've watched him implode often enough that I wouldn't even consider betting on his team against the Eagles D.

The Redskins I admittedly haven't watched much of, but I hope you forgive me if I'm not putting them with the Eagles quite yet.

mlyons · 10-23-2005, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by QuestGAV

While it was only one game, the way they absolutely owned LT today told me alot about their defense - as in it's among the best in the league still. Add to that an offense that has the capability to make plays and I think they're still head and shoulders above the rest of that division (as long as McNabb stays on the field).

Eli looks alot better this year, but he's not McNabb and Burress is not TO. They do have Shockey and Barber but the Giants are not nearly the team Philly is on defense.

The Cowboys have Drew Bledsoe at QB. I've watched him implode often enough that I wouldn't even consider betting on his team against the Eagles D.

The Redskins I admittedly haven't watched much of, but I hope you forgive me if I'm not putting them with the Eagles quite yet.

I'm not sure the Eagles are as good as you think. This team is definitely not the same team they've been the last few years. The running game is practically non-existent, and the defense is much worse right now than they've been in the past -- 18th in the league in points allowed. They're still a very good team, and have as good a shot as anyone in the NFC at making the Superbowl, but the gap between them and the rest of the division has narrowed down to almost nothing.

Jason · 10-23-2005, 09:29 PM

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I'm not sure the Eagles are as good as you think. This team is definitely not the same team they've been the last few years. The running game is practically non-existent, and the defense is much worse right now than they've been in the past -- 18th in the league in points allowed. They're still a very good team, and have as good a shot as anyone in the NFC at making the Superbowl, but the gap between them and the rest of the division has narrowed down to almost nothing.

I think that's fair to say. I don't have the same feeling I had last year about this team. I thought they could win every week...this year I have questions some weeks.

Faroo6 · 10-23-2005, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by What!

But when Vick is healthy deffinatly better. I also think Eli Manning is a little overrated at this point and I tend to believe the G-men have also been very lucky this year. The Skins D is Superbowl caliber but im still not sold on that offense. Only time will tell and why are they not playing L. Arrington.

Arrington hasn't been playing because he wasn't being a team player. They got through to him I guess though. He had a good week of practice earned his way back onto the field and was making plays all over the place today.

Jonzard · 10-23-2005, 10:14 PM

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Arrington hasn't been playing because he wasn't being a team player.

I beg to differ
http://www.thebrushback.com/arrington_full.htm

ednote · 10-23-2005, 10:39 PM

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I also think Eli Manning is a little overrated at this point and I tend to believe the G-men have also been very lucky this year.

Yeah, only two last-minute drives to tie a game last week and win one this week, to go with a QB rating of better than 90, 12 touchdowns and four picks. Definitely, definitely overrated, yes sir.
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molarmite · 10-23-2005, 10:52 PM

What about the NFC North people, they will shock everyone in the playoffs and win the super bowl with a regular season record of 6-10.

What! · 10-23-2005, 10:53 PM

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Yeah, only two last-minute drives to tie a game last week and win one this week, to go with a QB rating of better than 90, 12 touchdowns and four picks. Definitely, definitely overrated, yes sir.
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I detect your sarcasm. By overrated I mean that he is not one of the elite qbs in the game. Hell he still is not the best qb from his draft class. Im not talking about potential we are talking about what he is going to do for his team this year and the Giants chances of making or winning the Superbowl(could not even type that with out laughing). As for potential I do think Manning has a lot and will be a very good quaterback of the future but lets wait and see.

What! · 10-23-2005, 10:54 PM

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What about the NFC North people, they will shock everyone in the playoffs and win the super bowl with a regular season record of 6-10.

That would be hilarious. I knew I hated four team divisions for a reason.

10-23-2005, 07:31 PM	#1
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10-23-2005, 07:39 PM	#2
QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,010	They might be the best top-to-bottom. The Eagles are the only real Super Bowl contender though. I think there are 3 teams in the NFC South who can make that push, though none are as good as the Eagles.

10-23-2005, 07:48 PM	#4
What! Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 338	I agree no real contenders except for the Eagles. The south has Atlanta, Tampa Bay, and Carolina. But discussing NFC is a mute point all together as the Superbowl will be won by an AFC squad.

10-23-2005, 09:14 PM	#12
QuestGAV Hall Of Famer Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,010	While it was only one game, the way they absolutely owned LT today told me alot about their defense - as in it's among the best in the league still. Add to that an offense that has the capability to make plays and I think they're still head and shoulders above the rest of that division (as long as McNabb stays on the field). Eli looks alot better this year, but he's not McNabb and Burress is not TO. They do have Shockey and Barber but the Giants are not nearly the team Philly is on defense. The Cowboys have Drew Bledsoe at QB. I've watched him implode often enough that I wouldn't even consider betting on his team against the Eagles D. The Redskins I admittedly haven't watched much of, but I hope you forgive me if I'm not putting them with the Eagles quite yet.

10-23-2005, 10:52 PM	#18
molarmite Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 4,927	What about the NFC North people, they will shock everyone in the playoffs and win the super bowl with a regular season record of 6-10.