Two-Time Gold Glove Winner Derek Jeter

TotalEnd98 · 11-01-2005, 12:16 PM

The announcement will supposedly be made today, according to the Post.

sebastian0622 · 11-01-2005, 12:17 PM

That guy deserves it. He really makes the easy plays look hard.

canadiancreed · 11-01-2005, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TotalEnd98

The announcement will supposedly be made today, according to the Post.

he'll profess his man-love for Nimrod?

Joshv02 · 11-01-2005, 12:20 PM

The turn around in his defense the past two years has been extrodinary. (This is true regardless of whether it is recognized by writers.) I assume, as knowledgeable Yankees fans (and I'm too depressed still to point out a possible contradiction there) have posted, that this is due to the ability to position himself in a way that offsets his deficiences while having a great athelete play 3B. I realize that ARod did not have the best defensive numbers this year, but I'd like to see those numbers broken down by area. I imagine, if Dave Pinto looks at it again, that ARod will have snagged an inordinate number of balls in the SS hole shading towards 3B, and fewer than average down the line.

Luis_Rivera · 11-01-2005, 12:31 PM

Is his improvement really real this year though? Last year was a great year for him... but I did a study earlier this year that was lost in the crash that showed that the Yanks had a strong GB pitching staff this season.

Joshv02 · 11-01-2005, 12:36 PM

Unadjusted ZR rates him pretty close to average and BPro's RATE puts him at +5% above average.

Because these are both rate stats, we can say this: if there are more balls on the ground, that means that his ability to get to a higher percentage of those BIP (higher than the past) is more important.

KurtBevacqua · 11-01-2005, 02:23 PM

I guess that's what happens when Vizquel changes leagues (ok, I know someone is now going to dig up one of those obscure fielding stats to show Omar has no range either)

darkhorse · 11-01-2005, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Luis_Rivera

Is his improvement really real this year though? Last year was a great year for him... but I did a study earlier this year that was lost in the crash that showed that the Yanks had a strong GB pitching staff this season.

And, of course, today's best defensive metrics would never account for this.

jaxmagicman · 11-01-2005, 02:37 PM

Well, looking through the league, only Tejeda could possibly unseat him now.

darkhorse · 11-01-2005, 03:04 PM

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Well, looking through the league, only Tejeda could possibly unseat him now.

Say, Jax, who's that monster sitting in your avatar theron room?

Jonzard · 11-01-2005, 06:05 PM

http://x.go.com/cgi/x.pl?goto=http:/...110117&srvc=sz
Its official

darkhorse · 11-01-2005, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonzard

http://x.go.com/cgi/x.pl?goto=http:/...110117&srvc=sz
Its official

Teixeira wins his first Gold Glove. All is well in the universe.

Davey Eckstein · 11-01-2005, 06:23 PM

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http://x.go.com/cgi/x.pl?goto=http:/...110117&srvc=sz
Its official

Now I'm a Twins fan and all, but I don't understand how Hunter wins the Gold Glove even though he missed nearly half the year.

JDOldSchool · 11-01-2005, 06:26 PM

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Now I'm a Twins fan and all, but I don't understand how Hunter wins the Gold Glove even though he missed nearly half the year.

And when he's not even remotely close to as good as people think. There's at least 3 CFs in the AL who are better fielders than him. That's off the top of my head.

I forgot about Wells, so 4 CFs.

These awards shouldn't piss me off this much, but I just want to beat the ever-living crap out of the idiots who give Ichiro a ****ing Gold Glove. My god, how stupid can people be?

Davey Eckstein · 11-01-2005, 06:27 PM

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And when he's not even remotely close to as good as people think. There's at least 3 CFs in the AL who are better fielders than him. That's off the top of my head.

Yeah, he's very overrated. Makes the easy plays look hard.

But he's still fun to watch.

I think Rowand should have won it this year. Or am I making an obvious oversight?

mlyons · 11-01-2005, 06:36 PM

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These awards shouldn't piss me off this much, but I just want to beat the ever-living crap out of the idiots who give Ichiro a ****ing Gold Glove. My god, how stupid can people be?

Who, other than Guerrero, is a better AL RF than Ichiro defensively?

Davey Eckstein · 11-01-2005, 06:42 PM

BP slates Ichiro at 8% above average, using to RATE2. That isn't bad at all. What stat is telling you he isn't worthy of a gold glove?

CMH · 11-01-2005, 09:08 PM

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Who, other than Guerrero, is a better AL RF than Ichiro defensively?

I thought the award went to the best three outfielders. There is no CF/LF/RF breakdown for Gold Gloves.

Apparently, however, the writers don't understand that.

CMH · 11-01-2005, 09:10 PM

Dola,

Is it just me or does it seem that the writers just don't care about defense?

There just isn't any effort put into it. When players win the award because of offensive stats or because of history rather than performance, it shows that the writers aren't paying attention. They are just as guilty as fairweather fans that chant the most popular player's name.

Davey Eckstein · 11-01-2005, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by YankeePride

Dola,

Is it just me or does it seem that the writers just don't care about defense?

There just isn't any effort put into it. When players win the award because of offensive stats or because of history rather than performance, it shows that the writers aren't paying attention. They are just as guilty as fairweather fans that chant the most popular player's name.

Well to their defence, there really isn't a great stat to determine how well a player plays defense. You're right though, it seems though they base it on history more than anything.

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Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	The turn around in his defense the past two years has been extrodinary. (This is true regardless of whether it is recognized by writers.) I assume, as knowledgeable Yankees fans (and I'm too depressed still to point out a possible contradiction there) have posted, that this is due to the ability to position himself in a way that offsets his deficiences while having a great athelete play 3B. I realize that ARod did not have the best defensive numbers this year, but I'd like to see those numbers broken down by area. I imagine, if Dave Pinto looks at it again, that ARod will have snagged an inordinate number of balls in the SS hole shading towards 3B, and fewer than average down the line. __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

11-01-2005, 12:36 PM	#6
Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	Unadjusted ZR rates him pretty close to average and BPro's RATE puts him at +5% above average. Because these are both rate stats, we can say this: if there are more balls on the ground, that means that his ability to get to a higher percentage of those BIP (higher than the past) is more important. __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

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11-01-2005, 12:17 PM	#2
sebastian0622 Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,465	That guy deserves it. He really makes the easy plays look hard.

11-01-2005, 12:31 PM	#5
Luis_Rivera Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,177	Is his improvement really real this year though? Last year was a great year for him... but I did a study earlier this year that was lost in the crash that showed that the Yanks had a strong GB pitching staff this season.

11-01-2005, 02:23 PM	#7
KurtBevacqua Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,968	I guess that's what happens when Vizquel changes leagues (ok, I know someone is now going to dig up one of those obscure fielding stats to show Omar has no range either)

11-01-2005, 06:42 PM	#17
Davey Eckstein Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Laundry Barn Favorite food: Bran flakes. Posts: 1,283	BP slates Ichiro at 8% above average, using to RATE2. That isn't bad at all. What stat is telling you he isn't worthy of a gold glove?

11-01-2005, 09:10 PM	#19
CMH Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 5,057	Dola, Is it just me or does it seem that the writers just don't care about defense? There just isn't any effort put into it. When players win the award because of offensive stats or because of history rather than performance, it shows that the writers aren't paying attention. They are just as guilty as fairweather fans that chant the most popular player's name.