Schmidt Trade Rumors?

dharma panda · 06-23-2005, 04:49 PM

So three times in the past couple of days I've heard people making oblique references to the Giants trading Jason Schmidt. I can't quite wrap my head around that, but it appears to be the hot rumor right now. Does anyone know (1) why? , (2) with whom?, or (3) for what? The Giants' big problem this season has been their pitching; I don't see any way that trading Schmidt would help that problem.

Joshv02 · 06-23-2005, 04:53 PM

Depends on what problems they are seeking to fix. They are also pretty old and, if they pack it in this year, will have to get younger quickly. This is a way.

I think he is has good value from some teams. He won't get Petit from the Mets, but he could fetch some good players (maybe Diaz).

I've read some wild speculation that the Sox may try for him, though why they want another old SP with the potential for long term injury is beyond me.

Does he have an option next year? If so, are the Giants going to pick it up?

jeheinz72 · 06-23-2005, 05:01 PM

My only guess is they know he is having issues and want to deal him after 2 great starts. I would hate it if they did as a Giants fan.

As far as $$$, I think he has an 11 mil team option with a 3 mil buyout (it may be 10/3 though)

Mike D · 06-23-2005, 05:14 PM

The only Giants rumor I've heard lately regarding the Giants is Moises Alou being trade to the Cubs. I haven't heard the Jason Schmidt rumor.

draven085 · 06-23-2005, 05:15 PM

I read a report somewhere on the interweb (it may have been a Ken Rosenthal column) that suggested that Schmidt is injured and Sabean and co. are concerned that he may never again be the pitcher that has thrilled Giants fans for the past couple seasons. Given his age and the club's salary commitment to him it would make sense to move him if they believe this to be true.

Then again maybe he's just too young to play regularly for SF.

jte87 · 06-23-2005, 05:31 PM

With 2 good starts under his belt, trading Schmidt only makes sense if he rattles off another month of good pitching. Otherwise, the Giants would be selling low. And that is the opposite of selling high, in case you didn't know that.

But, despite their failings this season, the Giants don't seem inclined to attempt to build through youth. They want to maintain their organizational strategy, and hope it works out better with their next group of players in their decline phase.

So I don't know what they would do with whatever prospects they got for Schmidt.

Thus, even though I have heard several people make comments about trading him, I don't think there is more than a sim chance of it happening.

jeheinz72 · 06-23-2005, 05:40 PM

From what I hear, the Giants are basically chalking this season as lost due to injury (Bonds, Benitez) and while they still have hope they won't be moving anyone who would have a positive impact on next season.

If that's the case, I'd be very surprised to see Schmidtty go. I could see any and all of Durham, Grissom, Reuter, Snow and any other possible free agents (I couldn't find a list, anyone got one?)

I heard for one thing the Mets rejected a Durham of Kaz Matsui swap.

tim_uwrf · 06-23-2005, 06:11 PM

Isn't Schmidt rumored to be traded every year??

Joshv02 · 06-23-2005, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by tim_uwrf

Isn't Schmidt rumored to be traded every year??

Not that I recall.

abailey3313 · 06-23-2005, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jeheinz72

I heard for one thing the Mets rejected a Durham of Kaz Matsui swap.

This can't be correct, as the Mets are known to make only poor personnel decisions.

Karros270 · 06-23-2005, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tim_uwrf

Isn't Schmidt rumored to be traded every year??

Just this year. Small sample size eh?

jeheinz72 · 06-23-2005, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by abailey3313

This can't be correct, as the Mets are known to make only poor personnel decisions.

Yeah, I was shocked

SanDiegoPadres19 · 06-23-2005, 09:49 PM

This guy would look great in a Padres uniform. That won't ever happen though.

I heard the Giants want 3 prospects in return. I see him gone in the next two weeks.

Dagrims · 06-23-2005, 10:51 PM

I heard a rumor about sending him to the Yankees for a couple of prospects (possibly Wang).

UngratefulDead · 06-23-2005, 10:55 PM

If they trade him they are basically resigning themselves to a rebuild. The way I see it, the Giants have two options.

1) Keep Schmidt and go for an all out 2006 hoping for a healthy Bonds, Benitez, and Schmidt while probably signing or trading for another aging star to try to get Barry that ring.

2) Go Cleveland Indians style rebuild. This means trade Schmidt to the Sox/Yankees, whatever, Barry to the Angels, Alou to the Cubs, Matheny to anybody stupid enough to take him, etc. I don't think Sabean has the balls for this and I would certainly be sad to see Barry's tenure with the Giants come to an end, but I wouldn't be entirely crushed.

Dagrims · 06-23-2005, 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by UngratefulDead

2) Go Cleveland Indians style rebuild. This means trade Schmidt to the Sox/Yankees, whatever, Barry to the Angels, Alou to the Cubs, Matheny to anybody stupid enough to take him, etc. I don't think Sabean has the balls for this and I would certainly be sad to see Barry's tenure with the Giants come to an end, but I wouldn't be entirely crushed.

Do you think the Giants would trade Barry even if they decided on a wholesale rebuilding? I assume they'll do everything they can to have him retire as a Giant.

Mike D · 06-23-2005, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Dagrims

Do you think the Giants would trade Barry even if they decided on a wholesale rebuilding? I assume they'll do everything they can to have him retire as a Giant.

10 and 5 makes it really hard to move him also.

UngratefulDead · 06-24-2005, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Mike D

10 and 5 makes it really hard to move him also.

He's said he'd accept a deal to the Angels in the past. Guy wants a ring (not that I think that gives him much of a shot.)

jeheinz72 · 06-24-2005, 02:16 AM

Talk from Bonds today says he'll think about playing in 07 too. I'd wager Schmidt's next 3 starts will determine if he goes. Either extreme (shelled or superb) would give a definite answer.

Melo · 06-24-2005, 09:43 AM

I hadn't heard even a whisper of a Durham/Matsui swap, so I'm not sure how valid that is.

06-23-2005, 04:49 PM	#1
dharma panda Minors (Rookie Ball) Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Behind the smelloscope. Posts: 40	Schmidt Trade Rumors? So three times in the past couple of days I've heard people making oblique references to the Giants trading Jason Schmidt. I can't quite wrap my head around that, but it appears to be the hot rumor right now. Does anyone know (1) why? , (2) with whom?, or (3) for what? The Giants' big problem this season has been their pitching; I don't see any way that trading Schmidt would help that problem. __________________ "We are what we pretend to be, so we had better be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegut

06-23-2005, 04:53 PM	#2
Joshv02 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: , " Posts: 3,082	Depends on what problems they are seeking to fix. They are also pretty old and, if they pack it in this year, will have to get younger quickly. This is a way. I think he is has good value from some teams. He won't get Petit from the Mets, but he could fetch some good players (maybe Diaz). I've read some wild speculation that the Sox may try for him, though why they want another old SP with the potential for long term injury is beyond me. Does he have an option next year? If so, are the Giants going to pick it up? __________________ Brookline Maccabees. RIP

06-23-2005, 05:01 PM	#3
jeheinz72 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 2,164	My only guess is they know he is having issues and want to deal him after 2 great starts. I would hate it if they did as a Giants fan. As far as $$$, I think he has an 11 mil team option with a 3 mil buyout (it may be 10/3 though) __________________ Join The Dugout!

06-23-2005, 05:14 PM	#4
Mike D Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: In a van, down by the river Posts: 2,802	The only Giants rumor I've heard lately regarding the Giants is Moises Alou being trade to the Cubs. I haven't heard the Jason Schmidt rumor. __________________ Sometimes the best laid plans will never get you laid the way you plan.

06-23-2005, 05:40 PM	#7
jeheinz72 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 2,164	From what I hear, the Giants are basically chalking this season as lost due to injury (Bonds, Benitez) and while they still have hope they won't be moving anyone who would have a positive impact on next season. If that's the case, I'd be very surprised to see Schmidtty go. I could see any and all of Durham, Grissom, Reuter, Snow and any other possible free agents (I couldn't find a list, anyone got one?) I heard for one thing the Mets rejected a Durham of Kaz Matsui swap. __________________ Join The Dugout! Last edited by jeheinz72; 06-23-2005 at 05:41 PM. Reason: it's Kaz Matsui, just want to be clear

06-23-2005, 05:15 PM	#5
draven085 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,074	I read a report somewhere on the interweb (it may have been a Ken Rosenthal column) that suggested that Schmidt is injured and Sabean and co. are concerned that he may never again be the pitcher that has thrilled Giants fans for the past couple seasons. Given his age and the club's salary commitment to him it would make sense to move him if they believe this to be true. Then again maybe he's just too young to play regularly for SF.

06-23-2005, 05:31 PM	#6
jte87 Major Leagues Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 305	With 2 good starts under his belt, trading Schmidt only makes sense if he rattles off another month of good pitching. Otherwise, the Giants would be selling low. And that is the opposite of selling high, in case you didn't know that. But, despite their failings this season, the Giants don't seem inclined to attempt to build through youth. They want to maintain their organizational strategy, and hope it works out better with their next group of players in their decline phase. So I don't know what they would do with whatever prospects they got for Schmidt. Thus, even though I have heard several people make comments about trading him, I don't think there is more than a sim chance of it happening.

06-23-2005, 06:11 PM	#8
tim_uwrf Hall Of Famer Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Field of Dreams Posts: 1,998	Isn't Schmidt rumored to be traded every year??

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Dagrims Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3,827	I heard a rumor about sending him to the Yankees for a couple of prospects (possibly Wang). __________________ "Read books, get brain."

06-23-2005, 10:55 PM	#15
UngratefulDead Banned Join Date: May 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 3,415	If they trade him they are basically resigning themselves to a rebuild. The way I see it, the Giants have two options. 1) Keep Schmidt and go for an all out 2006 hoping for a healthy Bonds, Benitez, and Schmidt while probably signing or trading for another aging star to try to get Barry that ring. 2) Go Cleveland Indians style rebuild. This means trade Schmidt to the Sox/Yankees, whatever, Barry to the Angels, Alou to the Cubs, Matheny to anybody stupid enough to take him, etc. I don't think Sabean has the balls for this and I would certainly be sad to see Barry's tenure with the Giants come to an end, but I wouldn't be entirely crushed.

06-24-2005, 02:16 AM	#19
jeheinz72 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 2,164	Talk from Bonds today says he'll think about playing in 07 too. I'd wager Schmidt's next 3 starts will determine if he goes. Either extreme (shelled or superb) would give a definite answer. __________________ Join The Dugout!

06-24-2005, 09:43 AM	#20
Melo All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Where the baned reside Posts: 1,428	I hadn't heard even a whisper of a Durham/Matsui swap, so I'm not sure how valid that is.