sending out the pitching coach

LAH · 05-05-2002, 12:20 PM

I wish in OOTP4 you could send your pitching coach out to the mound to talk to your pitcher. the pitcher would tell the PC how he feels, then the PC gives you advise on what to do. This could be reflected in the PC's ratings and the pitchers age. If you have a young pitcher and a crappy PC, chances are he will say to leave him in, and the guy might get shelled. But as the BRaves you could send Mazoni out to talk toi Maddux and feel pretty confident following his advise. Just a thought.

You could also have hitting coaches suggestiong who to pinch hit.

HolyCow98 · 05-05-2002, 12:54 PM

Kinda like "ask Earl"....ahh the memories.

Modern Relic · 05-05-2002, 02:34 PM

Pitcher: Arm feels great!
Catcher: He's got good stuff!

biggamejrs · 05-05-2002, 05:12 PM

i like this idea....

Raven · 05-05-2002, 07:14 PM

I forget, but wasn't there something similar to this in Tony3 as well?

Malleus Dei · 05-05-2002, 10:51 PM

This is a great idea and wouldn't be hard to program.

And Earl Weaver Baseball ruled.

StorminNorman · 05-06-2002, 04:50 AM

Seeing the pitchers' name turn red is warning enough..and the fact you don't have to 'warm-up' your reliever seems to work.

LAH · 05-06-2002, 05:10 AM

I got to thinking about it after playing a game in which I was ejected.

You can argue calls, which really accomplishes nothing, so I figured this might be a good idea.

Makes the pitching coach much more important.

Yea the pitchers name turns red, but I figured that was just common knowledge. He's given up six runs and only recorded 1 out, so he's done.

But if a guy has pitched 4.1 innings, given up just one run, but has the bases loaded, you might want to talk to him.

I personally will not take out a starter before the 6th inning unless he is getting destroyed. But in a situation like this, I might want to know how he feels. If he doesn't feel good or the PC thinks he should get out, then I'll pull him before the next batter gets a hit. But if he feels good, I might try to get a double play for the next batter and just ride it out.

Just offering a suggestion which might make an already deep as hell game a little deeper.

I want this game to be an as realistic managing simulator/GM simulator as possible.

-V

Maple Leafs · 05-06-2002, 05:26 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by StorminNorman:
Seeing the pitchers' name turn red is warning enough..and the fact you don't have to 'warm-up' your reliever seems to work.<hr /></blockquote>I'd actually like to see this instead of the pitcher's name turning red. It seems as if pitcher's currently go from full ability to "out of gas" immediately.

LAH · 05-06-2002, 05:42 AM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Maple Leafs:
 <blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by StorminNorman:
Seeing the pitchers' name turn red is warning enough..and the fact you don't have to 'warm-up' your reliever seems to work.<hr /></blockquote>I'd actually like to see this instead of the pitcher's name turning red. It seems as if pitcher's currently go from full ability to "out of gas" immediately.<hr /></blockquote>Good point. Seems slightly unrealistic to know exactly when a guy is tired...

There is more of a "science" to it.

-V

Biggie Fries · 05-06-2002, 08:25 AM

This raises the question: Is there really a huge discontinuity in OOTP when a pitcher goes red? Or is this just an arbitrary marking point along a continuous fatigue process?

In practice, it's hard not to feel sinned against by pitcher fatigue. My subjective impression is that my guys get hammered when they try to pitch having gone red; but I wish I could count the number of extra inning games in which my guys couldn't scratch out a run against someone whose arm probably couldn't have been hanging on by more than a tendon.

Khaos · 05-06-2002, 10:45 AM

I've started to not pull a red pitcher right away all the time. I wish the CPU would do so also. I hate the strict adherence to the so many pitches in 5 days rule, especially with relievers.

I've had red pitchers pitch another inning, and in cases of rain delay, I had a guy go another 4 innings and only give up 3 hits and a run.

CoachL · 05-06-2002, 12:17 PM

I would like to see this too. They had something like this in FPS 98. It could also be used as a chance to get a reliever warmed up. ie.a visit is as long as an at bat, so the reliever gets warmed up one batter quicker. Also maybe to calm down a guy who has given up two quick bombs or something

biggamejrs · 05-06-2002, 12:30 PM

I really like this idea.....

LAH · 05-06-2002, 05:34 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by CoachL:
I would like to see this too. They had something like this in FPS 98. It could also be used as a chance to get a reliever warmed up. ie.a visit is as long as an at bat, so the reliever gets warmed up one batter quicker. Also maybe to calm down a guy who has given up two quick bombs or something<hr /></blockquote>Thats a great idea which I failed to account for.

LAH · 05-06-2002, 05:37 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by StorminNorman:
Seeing the pitchers' name turn red is warning enough..and the fact you don't have to 'warm-up' your reliever seems to work.<hr /></blockquote>You should have to warm up your relievers.

From my understanding, this was a problem in OOTP3, that the AI would never warm up pitchers or something.

Maybe if they ever get into a very heavy engine re-write, this will be fixed. I really think that bullpen warm up is neccessary in ANY management sim.

HolyCow98 · 05-06-2002, 06:18 PM

I don't know that this has any bearing but even before the pitchers name turns red you can see decreased velocity on his fastball a good bit before hand. I don't feel that the game has the pitcher at full strength and then BAM, now he is out of gas.

I would definately like something like the ole "ask Earl". And having the ability to visit the mound would be nice as well. Depending on how it was implemented.

Sony · 05-06-2002, 06:36 PM

<blockquote>quote:<hr />Originally posted by Khaos:
[QB]I've started to not pull a red pitcher right away all the time.QB]<hr /></blockquote>I do this also. I atleast give the pitcher a few more batters to face before I yank him.

biggamejrs · 05-09-2002, 08:46 AM

Me too. Mostly in the pitchers first start(of the 5 game stretch) he isn't hit hard. But in the second start, when he is red, the he is more likely to get bombed!!!

The Mighty Delfont · 05-09-2002, 04:55 PM

EARL'S GOT... DAVE... RIGHETTI... throwin' in the pen.

EARL'S GOT... OIL CAN BOYD... throwin' in the pen.

<img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" />

05-05-2002, 12:20 PM	#1
LAH Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Field of Screams Posts: 445	sending out the pitching coach I wish in OOTP4 you could send your pitching coach out to the mound to talk to your pitcher. the pitcher would tell the PC how he feels, then the PC gives you advise on what to do. This could be reflected in the PC's ratings and the pitchers age. If you have a young pitcher and a crappy PC, chances are he will say to leave him in, and the guy might get shelled. But as the BRaves you could send Mazoni out to talk toi Maddux and feel pretty confident following his advise. Just a thought. You could also have hitting coaches suggestiong who to pinch hit. __________________ The Captain

05-05-2002, 12:54 PM	#2
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	Kinda like "ask Earl"....ahh the memories. __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

05-05-2002, 02:34 PM	#3
Modern Relic All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 1,266	Pitcher: Arm feels great! Catcher: He's got good stuff! __________________ American Folklore Baseball League (closed): Commissioner/GM - Mudville Nine (ruled!) Former member of Boys of Summer: GM - St. Louis Browns (doormats!) Former member of the OTBL: GM - Gashouse Gorillas (also ruled!) "People ask me what I do in winter when there's no baseball. I'll tell you what I do. I stare out the window and wait for spring." Rogers Hornsby

05-05-2002, 05:12 PM	#4
biggamejrs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Greenville, USA Posts: 212	i like this idea.... __________________ Go Braves!!

05-06-2002, 04:50 AM	#7
StorminNorman Minors (Single A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The True North Posts: 52	Seeing the pitchers' name turn red is warning enough..and the fact you don't have to 'warm-up' your reliever seems to work. __________________ 'Mr. Jiggyfly... I have good news..."

05-05-2002, 07:14 PM	#5
Raven Minors (Single A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 94	I forget, but wasn't there something similar to this in Tony3 as well?

05-06-2002, 05:10 AM	#8
LAH Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Field of Screams Posts: 445	I got to thinking about it after playing a game in which I was ejected. You can argue calls, which really accomplishes nothing, so I figured this might be a good idea. Makes the pitching coach much more important. Yea the pitchers name turns red, but I figured that was just common knowledge. He's given up six runs and only recorded 1 out, so he's done. But if a guy has pitched 4.1 innings, given up just one run, but has the bases loaded, you might want to talk to him. I personally will not take out a starter before the 6th inning unless he is getting destroyed. But in a situation like this, I might want to know how he feels. If he doesn't feel good or the PC thinks he should get out, then I'll pull him before the next batter gets a hit. But if he feels good, I might try to get a double play for the next batter and just ride it out. Just offering a suggestion which might make an already deep as hell game a little deeper. I want this game to be an as realistic managing simulator/GM simulator as possible. -V __________________ The Captain

05-06-2002, 05:26 AM	#9
Maple Leafs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 234	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by StorminNorman: <strong>Seeing the pitchers' name turn red is warning enough..and the fact you don't have to 'warm-up' your reliever seems to work.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'd actually like to see this instead of the pitcher's name turning red. It seems as if pitcher's currently go from full ability to "out of gas" immediately.

05-06-2002, 05:42 AM	#10
LAH Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Field of Screams Posts: 445	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Maple Leafs: <strong> </font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by StorminNorman: <strong>Seeing the pitchers' name turn red is warning enough..and the fact you don't have to 'warm-up' your reliever seems to work.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I'd actually like to see this instead of the pitcher's name turning red. It seems as if pitcher's currently go from full ability to "out of gas" immediately.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Good point. Seems slightly unrealistic to know exactly when a guy is tired... There is more of a "science" to it. -V __________________ The Captain

05-06-2002, 08:25 AM	#11
Biggie Fries Minors (Double A) Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bryn Mawr, PA USA Posts: 115	This raises the question: Is there really a huge discontinuity in OOTP when a pitcher goes red? Or is this just an arbitrary marking point along a continuous fatigue process? In practice, it's hard not to feel sinned against by pitcher fatigue. My subjective impression is that my guys get hammered when they try to pitch having gone red; but I wish I could count the number of extra inning games in which my guys couldn't scratch out a run against someone whose arm probably couldn't have been hanging on by more than a tendon.

05-06-2002, 10:45 AM	#12
Khaos Major Leagues Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Canfield, OH Posts: 473	I've started to not pull a red pitcher right away all the time. I wish the CPU would do so also. I hate the strict adherence to the so many pitches in 5 days rule, especially with relievers. I've had red pitchers pitch another inning, and in cases of rain delay, I had a guy go another 4 innings and only give up 3 hits and a run. __________________ squish

05-06-2002, 12:17 PM	#13
CoachL Minors (Double A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Hilmar, CA Posts: 124	I would like to see this too. They had something like this in FPS 98. It could also be used as a chance to get a reliever warmed up. ie.a visit is as long as an at bat, so the reliever gets warmed up one batter quicker. Also maybe to calm down a guy who has given up two quick bombs or something

05-06-2002, 12:30 PM	#14
biggamejrs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Greenville, USA Posts: 212	I really like this idea..... __________________ Go Braves!!

05-06-2002, 05:34 PM	#15
LAH Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Field of Screams Posts: 445	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by CoachL: <strong>I would like to see this too. They had something like this in FPS 98. It could also be used as a chance to get a reliever warmed up. ie.a visit is as long as an at bat, so the reliever gets warmed up one batter quicker. Also maybe to calm down a guy who has given up two quick bombs or something</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Thats a great idea which I failed to account for. __________________ The Captain

05-06-2002, 05:37 PM	#16
LAH Major Leagues Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Field of Screams Posts: 445	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by StorminNorman: <strong>Seeing the pitchers' name turn red is warning enough..and the fact you don't have to 'warm-up' your reliever seems to work.</strong></font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">You should have to warm up your relievers. From my understanding, this was a problem in OOTP3, that the AI would never warm up pitchers or something. Maybe if they ever get into a very heavy engine re-write, this will be fixed. I really think that bullpen warm up is neccessary in ANY management sim. __________________ The Captain

05-06-2002, 06:18 PM	#17
HolyCow98 Hall Of Famer Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Douglasville, GA Posts: 2,735	I don't know that this has any bearing but even before the pitchers name turns red you can see decreased velocity on his fastball a good bit before hand. I don't feel that the game has the pitcher at full strength and then BAM, now he is out of gas. I would definately like something like the ole "ask Earl". And having the ability to visit the mound would be nice as well. Depending on how it was implemented. __________________ NPBL Enjoying its 60th season Georgia GM

05-06-2002, 06:36 PM	#18
Sony Minors (Single A) Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Lafayette. LA Posts: 65	</font><blockquote><font size="1" face="Verdana, Arial">quote:</font><hr /><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">Originally posted by Khaos: [QB]I've started to not pull a red pitcher right away all the time.QB]</font><hr /></blockquote><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial">I do this also. I atleast give the pitcher a few more batters to face before I yank him.

05-09-2002, 08:46 AM	#19
biggamejrs Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Greenville, USA Posts: 212	Me too. Mostly in the pitchers first start(of the 5 game stretch) he isn't hit hard. But in the second start, when he is red, the he is more likely to get bombed!!! __________________ Go Braves!!

05-09-2002, 04:55 PM	#20
The Mighty Delfont Bat Boy Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 11	EARL'S GOT... DAVE... RIGHETTI... throwin' in the pen. EARL'S GOT... OIL CAN BOYD... throwin' in the pen. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Wink]" src="wink.gif" /> __________________ Long live the 'Spos!