Ruth hits 119 Home Runs

Johnny99 · 06-14-2005, 06:44 PM

Imported 1920 with the new peak seasons option. Standard Lahman database. Used league settings that game defaulted to. Also, .470 BA and 229 RBI's. Overall, offense was a little high, but the next highest HR total was in the 20's.

What I think is going to occur with this option is that the gap between the great players and the rest will be accentuated, maybe too much. Ruth, obviously, is in a different category because he was such a distinct anomaly, but still, the numbers he put up give pause as to the usefulness of this option. More testing needed, for sure.

Almost forgot, his ratings were 105 cont., 137 pow., 192 eye. Reasonable, I think, so maybe its that the game just cannot account properly for Ruth.

Davey Eckstein · 06-14-2005, 07:08 PM

All I can say is

. A BA of almost .500?! 229 RBI's?! He probably hit more homers then two or three teams combined did!

Karros270 · 06-14-2005, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Davey Eckstein

He probably hit more homers then two or three teams combined did!

This is realistic isn't it? He did hit more homeruns than some teams combined when he played. Maybe importing Ruth while using current era settings are what's causing his numbers to be so gaudy.

Ryan W. · 06-14-2005, 07:40 PM

This was identified during beta testing as well and we determined that, when there are such anomolies in a league like Ruth/Gehrig ('27), Maris/ Mantle ('61) and McGuire/Sosa/Bonds('98), it is best to base ratings on "Whole Career". That will give you very good results.

Also, most years in what we phrase as the "Steroid Era" (~1997+), those numbers are inflated. I saw McGuire, in my beta tests, routinely hit over 100 HR's and knock in 230.

I raised this issue to Markus, but we came up with the Whole Career solution which seems to work out well. Remaining Career and Peak produced almost identical numbers.

jdew · 06-14-2005, 07:41 PM

Ruth was such an anamoly and so much more adept at hitting homers (particularly in 1920) than his contemporaries that the game engine has trouble handling it. From what I've seen through a few leagues is that 1920-1924 or thereabouts will be his best HR hitting years. You'll see him hit fewer (even with great ratings) as other HR hitters enter the league. But in 1920 he's about it so he gets superhuman HR totals.

The only way around it I know of is to edit Ruth's ratings.

I edit the 1920 Ruth to these settings and it's been working out for me.

Homerun Power
vs Left - 111
vs Right - 120
Talent - 134

He'll usually hit around 50 to 60-something homers in 1920 with these settings.

My main problem with Ruth is that I've never seen him play long enough to get the 714 homers. He usually retires with 600-something.

Johnny99 · 06-14-2005, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan W.

This was identified during beta testing as well and we determined that, when there are such anomolies in a league like Ruth/Gehrig ('27), Maris/ Mantle ('61) and McGuire/Sosa/Bonds('98), it is best to base ratings on "Whole Career". That will give you very good results.

Also, most years in what we phrase as the "Steroid Era" (~1997+), those numbers are inflated. I saw McGuire, in my beta tests, routinely hit over 100 HR's and knock in 230.

I raised this issue to Markus, but we came up with the Whole Career solution which seems to work out well. Remaining Career and Peak produced almost identical numbers.

What then is the usefulness of the peak season option? Are you saying that any league that has those players, or others like them, in it shouldn't use the option? Thats pretty much kills any historical replays.

Mike D · 06-14-2005, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ryan W.

This was identified during beta testing as well and we determined that, when there are such anomolies in a league like Ruth/Gehrig ('27), Maris/ Mantle ('61) and McGuire/Sosa/Bonds('98), it is best to base ratings on "Whole Career". That will give you very good results.

Also, most years in what we phrase as the "Steroid Era" (~1997+), those numbers are inflated. I saw McGuire, in my beta tests, routinely hit over 100 HR's and knock in 230.

I raised this issue to Markus, but we came up with the Whole Career solution which seems to work out well. Remaining Career and Peak produced almost identical numbers.

is that Dan McGuire?

Ryan W. · 06-14-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike D

is that Dan McGuire?

My bad

Ryan W. · 06-14-2005, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnny99

What then is the usefulness of the peak season option? Are you saying that any league that has those players, or others like them, in it shouldn't use the option? Thats pretty much kills any historical replays.

That's really a question for Markus. The shifts were too rash when I changed to Remaining Career or Peak seasons, so I stick with Whole Career. That seems to give me pretty nice numbers.

06-14-2005, 06:44 PM	#1
Johnny99 Minors (Triple A) Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 209	Ruth hits 119 Home Runs Imported 1920 with the new peak seasons option. Standard Lahman database. Used league settings that game defaulted to. Also, .470 BA and 229 RBI's. Overall, offense was a little high, but the next highest HR total was in the 20's. What I think is going to occur with this option is that the gap between the great players and the rest will be accentuated, maybe too much. Ruth, obviously, is in a different category because he was such a distinct anomaly, but still, the numbers he put up give pause as to the usefulness of this option. More testing needed, for sure. Almost forgot, his ratings were 105 cont., 137 pow., 192 eye. Reasonable, I think, so maybe its that the game just cannot account properly for Ruth. Last edited by Johnny99; 06-14-2005 at 06:46 PM.

06-14-2005, 07:08 PM	#2
Davey Eckstein Banned Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Laundry Barn Favorite food: Bran flakes. Posts: 1,283	All I can say is . A BA of almost .500?! 229 RBI's?! He probably hit more homers then two or three teams combined did!

06-14-2005, 07:40 PM	#4
Ryan W. Jack of all trades Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Somewhere, not sure where. Maybe nearby, maybe far away. Posts: 1,371	This was identified during beta testing as well and we determined that, when there are such anomolies in a league like Ruth/Gehrig ('27), Maris/ Mantle ('61) and McGuire/Sosa/Bonds('98), it is best to base ratings on "Whole Career". That will give you very good results. Also, most years in what we phrase as the "Steroid Era" (~1997+), those numbers are inflated. I saw McGuire, in my beta tests, routinely hit over 100 HR's and knock in 230. I raised this issue to Markus, but we came up with the Whole Career solution which seems to work out well. Remaining Career and Peak produced almost identical numbers.

06-14-2005, 07:41 PM	#5
jdew All Star Starter Join Date: May 2002 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 1,763	Ruth was such an anamoly and so much more adept at hitting homers (particularly in 1920) than his contemporaries that the game engine has trouble handling it. From what I've seen through a few leagues is that 1920-1924 or thereabouts will be his best HR hitting years. You'll see him hit fewer (even with great ratings) as other HR hitters enter the league. But in 1920 he's about it so he gets superhuman HR totals. The only way around it I know of is to edit Ruth's ratings. I edit the 1920 Ruth to these settings and it's been working out for me. Homerun Power vs Left - 111 vs Right - 120 Talent - 134 He'll usually hit around 50 to 60-something homers in 1920 with these settings. My main problem with Ruth is that I've never seen him play long enough to get the 714 homers. He usually retires with 600-something.