Independent College Universe

Dr. P.R. Park III · 05-23-2017, 04:19 PM

I've searched the forum and found some solid but repetitive threads and nothing too recent so wanted to ask: has anyone successfully built an universe that emulates the collegiate experience (i.e. recruiting us HS feeders, FA, etc)?

I've been working on a project lately hoping that the feature "Feeding Into Draft Pool of Another League" tucked away under the leagues "Rules" tab would allow the classic "daisy chain" methodology: independent HS league feeds an independent college league that ultimately feeds a major league.

I've run multiple tests, triple checked all age-restriction limits and inputs, and cannot seem to get the game to properly generate the desired draft pool. The draft pool generated for the MLB is either blank or fictional players with no previous history.

Right now I'm playing with using free agency as the means of allowing players to disseminate into the organized ball ranks. This obviously is a bummer because it lacks realism.

Anyone have any insight or ideas?

falcon4e · 05-23-2017, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. P.R. Park III

I've searched the forum and found some solid but repetitive threads and nothing too recent so wanted to ask: has anyone successfully built an universe that emulates the collegiate experience (i.e. recruiting us HS feeders, FA, etc)?

I've been working on a project lately hoping that the feature "Feeding Into Draft Pool of Another League" tucked away under the leagues "Rules" tab would allow the classic "daisy chain" methodology: independent HS league feeds an independent college league that ultimately feeds a major league.

I've run multiple tests, triple checked all age-restriction limits and inputs, and cannot seem to get the game to properly generate the desired draft pool. The draft pool generated for the MLB is either blank or fictional players with no previous history.

Right now I'm playing with using free agency as the means of allowing players to disseminate into the organized ball ranks. This obviously is a bummer because it lacks realism.

Anyone have any insight or ideas?

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andyhdz · 05-23-2017, 05:09 PM

I have an indy college league and it works fine. sounds like you don't have the college league setup as a feeder to your major league.

andyhdz · 05-23-2017, 05:16 PM

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sprague · 05-23-2017, 05:45 PM

I have done this in the past.
As I recall make the uni a MLB type league. Set your age limits, say 18-23

Set a hs feeder for it, set age say 15-18.
The trick was to schedule the draft either or after the uni season, not during the year itself...worked more real that way for me.

Dr. P.R. Park III · 05-23-2017, 06:21 PM

I have about 8-10 independent college leagues, all set to manually feed into the my preferred major league. The game even states no additional players are required when setting the feeder settings.

However, despite this, whenever the draft pool is created, it's all fictional players with no history. They're not from any of the existing leagues and no player that should qualify per the age-limits is in the draft pool.

Sprague,
"As I recall make the uni a MLB type league."

Do you mean make the college a "major league" level league and plug in university PCM's manually?

Dr. P.R. Park III · 05-23-2017, 07:43 PM

Just ran a quick test with 3 major leagues; one ML, one university, one HS.
I manually adjusted PCM's for the university and HS league and tweaked all age-limits, etc.

Just ran one test, results are always the same: the HS can successfully feed into college teams but the college teams never feed into the designated major league draft pool.

Pretty sure there's either a conflicting parameter somewhere or the mechanics just aren't there.

ry1220 · 05-23-2017, 08:00 PM

I made a college universe for one of the first OOTPs to offer feeders. IIRC, for feeders to work, the college league had to be created as a "minor, feeder league" after the Major League was created. In 17 it seems there's also a drop-down for "Draft Feeding Mode" that defaulted to "Feeder league players + Additional Players."

Is this thread dated?

Dr. P.R. Park III · 05-23-2017, 09:23 PM

Thanks Ry1220, the information in that thread is good but more applicable toward calculating the number of players for the draft using feeders.

I'm mostly concerned with the option of feeding one independent leagues amateur draft with players from another independent league. I was really hoping that would work-around the "daisy chain" limitation of previous versions of OOTP but there's definitely still a snag.

If someone has successfully had League A feed League B feed League C (ML), please do share.

sprague · 05-24-2017, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dr. P.R. Park III

I have about 8-10 independent college leagues, all set to manually feed into the my preferred major league. The game even states no additional players are required when setting the feeder settings.

However, despite this, whenever the draft pool is created, it's all fictional players with no history. They're not from any of the existing leagues and no player that should qualify per the age-limits is in the draft pool.

Sprague,
"As I recall make the uni a MLB type league."y

Do you mean make the college a "major league" level league and plug in university PCM's manually?

Right. You can't have multiple feeders feeding each other.
You can have multiple independent leagues feeding another higher league, and then each of those independent league can have their own feeder or feeders.
It would be easy to explain talking to you, a bit harder via text.

Think of it as
MLB
Ind league set to feed the MLB, set your ages and pcm you want
Feeder league for the ind league. Their pcm will come from the ind league they feed players to.

Dr. P.R. Park III · 05-24-2017, 09:51 AM

I understand, we're talking about the same thing but I've never been able to actually achieve a successful independent feeder set-up.

I've been able to get indie HS players to feed to the University but have been unsuccessful in getting indie college players to feed to indie major league.

I've even simmed 3-4 years into the future and only a dozen or so indie feeder players trickle into the major league draft pool.

I've given up on using the option to feed one league with another league because it has never worked for me. Still curious as to where the disconnect is for me as it seemingly works for others.

05-23-2017, 04:19 PM	#1
Dr. P.R. Park III All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 974	Independent College Universe I've searched the forum and found some solid but repetitive threads and nothing too recent so wanted to ask: has anyone successfully built an universe that emulates the collegiate experience (i.e. recruiting us HS feeders, FA, etc)? I've been working on a project lately hoping that the feature "Feeding Into Draft Pool of Another League" tucked away under the leagues "Rules" tab would allow the classic "daisy chain" methodology: independent HS league feeds an independent college league that ultimately feeds a major league. I've run multiple tests, triple checked all age-restriction limits and inputs, and cannot seem to get the game to properly generate the desired draft pool. The draft pool generated for the MLB is either blank or fictional players with no previous history. Right now I'm playing with using free agency as the means of allowing players to disseminate into the organized ball ranks. This obviously is a bummer because it lacks realism. Anyone have any insight or ideas?

05-23-2017, 05:09 PM	#3
andyhdz All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Fresno, CA by way of Texas Posts: 1,754	I have an indy college league and it works fine. sounds like you don't have the college league setup as a feeder to your major league.

05-23-2017, 05:16 PM	#4
andyhdz All Star Starter Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Fresno, CA by way of Texas Posts: 1,754	(deleted)

05-23-2017, 05:45 PM	#5
sprague All Star Starter Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 1,947	I have done this in the past. As I recall make the uni a MLB type league. Set your age limits, say 18-23 Set a hs feeder for it, set age say 15-18. The trick was to schedule the draft either or after the uni season, not during the year itself...worked more real that way for me.

05-23-2017, 06:21 PM	#6
Dr. P.R. Park III All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 974	I have about 8-10 independent college leagues, all set to manually feed into the my preferred major league. The game even states no additional players are required when setting the feeder settings. However, despite this, whenever the draft pool is created, it's all fictional players with no history. They're not from any of the existing leagues and no player that should qualify per the age-limits is in the draft pool. Sprague, "As I recall make the uni a MLB type league." Do you mean make the college a "major league" level league and plug in university PCM's manually?

05-23-2017, 07:43 PM	#7
Dr. P.R. Park III All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 974	Just ran a quick test with 3 major leagues; one ML, one university, one HS. I manually adjusted PCM's for the university and HS league and tweaked all age-limits, etc. Just ran one test, results are always the same: the HS can successfully feed into college teams but the college teams never feed into the designated major league draft pool. Pretty sure there's either a conflicting parameter somewhere or the mechanics just aren't there.

05-23-2017, 08:00 PM	#8
ry1220 All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 818	I made a college universe for one of the first OOTPs to offer feeders. IIRC, for feeders to work, the college league had to be created as a "minor, feeder league" after the Major League was created. In 17 it seems there's also a drop-down for "Draft Feeding Mode" that defaulted to "Feeder league players + Additional Players." Is this thread dated?

05-23-2017, 09:23 PM	#9
Dr. P.R. Park III All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 974	Thanks Ry1220, the information in that thread is good but more applicable toward calculating the number of players for the draft using feeders. I'm mostly concerned with the option of feeding one independent leagues amateur draft with players from another independent league. I was really hoping that would work-around the "daisy chain" limitation of previous versions of OOTP but there's definitely still a snag. If someone has successfully had League A feed League B feed League C (ML), please do share.

05-24-2017, 09:51 AM	#11
Dr. P.R. Park III All Star Reserve Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 974	I understand, we're talking about the same thing but I've never been able to actually achieve a successful independent feeder set-up. I've been able to get indie HS players to feed to the University but have been unsuccessful in getting indie college players to feed to indie major league. I've even simmed 3-4 years into the future and only a dozen or so indie feeder players trickle into the major league draft pool. I've given up on using the option to feed one league with another league because it has never worked for me. Still curious as to where the disconnect is for me as it seemingly works for others.