Injuries during playoffs

pizzaddict · 05-18-2010, 12:55 PM

I had 2 OF's go down to injury in the playoffs this season. OOTP would not let me call up a replacement OF during the series. As I understand MLB rules, you can call up a replacement during a playoff series as long as he plays the same position as the injured player and he was in your organization on Aug. 31.

Am I missing something here?

Cryomaniac · 05-18-2010, 01:14 PM

I think this is a situation of OOTP simplifying the RL rule.

It would be nice to have the real rules in definitely.

Isura · 05-18-2010, 08:47 PM

Nothing like winning 108 games and losing 3 pitchers in the first week of the playoffs. I still made it to the WS but got swept by a crappy Twins team.

AESP_pres · 05-18-2010, 09:05 PM

Happen to me in 1871 in my 19th century simulation, nothing fun when you loose your only pitcher for the World Serie.

pizzaddict · 05-19-2010, 12:42 PM

For me it was 107 win season, lost in game 7 of the ALCS after losing 2 starting OF to injury and my starting 1st basemen. When you can't replace those guys it gets really hard to pinch hit on a league that doesn't use DH.

On a side note, I've now lost in game 7 of the ALCS 2 of the last 3 years.

hefalumps · 08-12-2010, 01:48 AM

Just ran into this one in my postseason. Lost my starting SS in Game 2 of the World Series and am using my only reserve infielder in his place. If I lose another infielder, I'll be getting creative.

This really needs to be handled better. Obviously there is code that tells it to disallow roster moves during the playoffs. It would be nice if that code distinguished if the roster move was attempting to place a player on the DL, at which point it would offer you the option to replace that player with another player from your minor leagues. I think the real life rule says it has to be the same position, but if that would be too hard to code, OOTP could just distinguish between pitcher and position player.

Hope this makes it into a future version of OOTP. And I hope it doesn't kill my chance at a championship.

Le Grande Orange · 08-12-2010, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

Obviously there is code that tells it to disallow roster moves during the playoffs. It would be nice if that code distinguished if the roster move was attempting to place a player on the DL, at which point it would offer you the option to replace that player with another player from your minor leagues.

It should be noted that in real life there is no DL after the regular season. If players are injured and unable to play in the post-season, the necessary medical information is submitted to the Commissioner's office which then allows the club to replace the injured players.

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Originally Posted by hefalumps

I think the real life rule says it has to be the same position, but if that would be too hard to code, OOTP could just distinguish between pitcher and position player.

There are two injury replacement periods:

The first is in-between post-season series. If a club has an injured player on its list of post-season eligible players and wanted to use that player in the next series, it can substitute for that injured player with a player from its minor league system. In such cases there are no positional requirements. (Note that the replacement player need not be on the 40-man roster, but in order to play he'd have to be added to it.)

The second is during a post-season series. If a club loses a player during a series, then the injured player can replaced along the same lines as in-between series, except that a pitcher can only be replaced by a pitcher, and a position player can only be replaced by a position player. Also, the injured player is ineligible to play in the remainder of that post-season series as well as the subsequent series (should the club make it that far).

Left-handed Badger · 08-12-2010, 02:51 AM

Welcome, to Whitey Herzog's world.

I thought you could only make roster changes between series in the postseason. Is this a recent change?

Curve Ball Dave · 08-12-2010, 09:31 AM

I feel the pain of those who have lost players during playoff series. It's happened to me many times too.

Losing guys right before the playoffs isn't much fun either. Two seasons ago I lost my two and three hitters in different games with about 5-7 games to go. My magic number was small enough that I still managed to win the division when the players went down, but we were sitting ducks in the playoffs and lost in the first round 3-1.

chrisod · 08-12-2010, 11:34 AM

It would be nice if there was a "rest position players" and "set up rotation for playoffs" option that would force the AI manager to not start your ace in Game 162 when you clinched two weeks ago!

actionjackson · 08-12-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Curve Ball Dave

I feel the pain of those who have lost players during playoff series. It's happened to me many times too.

Losing guys right before the playoffs isn't much fun either. Two seasons ago I lost my two and three hitters in different games with about 5-7 games to go. My magic number was small enough that I still managed to win the division when the players went down, but we were sitting ducks in the playoffs and lost in the first round 3-1.

Welcome to the world of the 1987 Blue Jays. With nine games left Bill Madlock of the Tigers took Tony Fernandez out with a vicious, illegal takeout slide on an attempted DP. How do I know it was illegal? A) When Fernandez landed on his elbow, he landed on the seam that joined the turf to the dirt and smashed it to smithereens and B) Madlock could not have touched 2nd base if he was twelve feet tall at any point during the slide and certainly not after it. He might not have been able to touch it after if he was Stretch freakin' Armstrong for cryin' out loud. If you don't remember it or you weren't around you can see it here. The sound is terrible, but the picture tells the story.

Then with four games to go to add insult to injury Ernie Whitt cracked his ribs against the Brew Crew. Fernandez was having a terrific year at SS and Whitt was pretty decent at C that year. Thanks to Pat Gillick (who later learned from these mistakes), the depth at these two critical up the middle positions was near non-existent. The result was an 0-7 mark in the final seven games: four by 1 run, two by 2 runs and the other one by 3 runs in a season that went down to a 1-0 loss to Frank Tanana with Jimmy Key on the mound on the final day. That's a total of an 11 run deficit over the course of 7 games...The word pain doesn't come close to describing what a fan feels watching their team finish like that. They would've probably been meatcake against the Twinkies in the first round that year, but even after the two World Series this one still sucks. Whenever people ask me what Jays team I think was the greatest in their history I point to this one. 3rd in runs scored and easily first in run prevention. The moral of the story my fellow OOTPers is, to paraphrase Neo in "The Matrix": "Depth...Lots of Depth"

Good on the Tigers for the amazing comeback, but I don't think I'll ever forgive Mad Dog for that slide. "It wasn't the slide that hurt him it was the wood around 2nd base that hurt him". Ok Bill, whatever gets you through the night. The fact that where Fernandez landed was nowhere near the vicinity of the 2nd base bag points to...a dirty slide, so yes the slide did hurt him. Thanks for playing though.

...Ahem...We now return you to the actual topic of this thread...The fact that something may be amiss with OOTP's interpretation on the rule of playoff replacements. Lots of people way smarter than me, know whether this is the case or not pizzaddict. Curve Ball Dave just stirred up some painful memories from a long time ago.

Malleus Dei · 08-12-2010, 12:49 PM

Depth is good. Quantity has a quality of its own.

Curve Ball Dave · 08-12-2010, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisod

It would be nice if there was a "rest position players" and "set up rotation for playoffs" option that would force the AI manager to not start your ace in Game 162 when you clinched two weeks ago!

That's were you have to manually intervene. If at all possible, I call up pitchers from the minors to start games after I've clinched.

actionjackson · 08-12-2010, 08:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Malleus Dei

Depth is good. Quantity has a quality of its own.

Depth, for lack of a better term, is good...Depth works...

Ok, I'll cut it with the movie paraphrases for now.

Malleus Dei · 08-12-2010, 08:55 PM

"We have deep depth." - Earl Weaver

BusterKing · 08-13-2010, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by chrisod

It would be nice if there was a "rest position players" and "set up rotation for playoffs" option that would force the AI manager to not start your ace in Game 162 when you clinched two weeks ago!

That kind of AI action should have been in the game many versions ago. You have to wonder why that important auto AI function has never been perfected since it's so important before the playoff starts. I feel like I'm cheating if I intervene because the AI isn't doing this for all the teams.

It's not considered a bug but it should be.

Le Grande Orange · 08-13-2010, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Left-handed Badger

I thought you could only make roster changes between series in the postseason. Is this a recent change?

The ability to replace a player injured during a series, as well as the dropping of the pitcher-for-pitcher, postion player-for-position player requirement for replacements between series came about in 2007, if I recall correctly.

05-18-2010, 12:55 PM	#1
pizzaddict Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 136	Injuries during playoffs I had 2 OF's go down to injury in the playoffs this season. OOTP would not let me call up a replacement OF during the series. As I understand MLB rules, you can call up a replacement during a playoff series as long as he plays the same position as the injured player and he was in your organization on Aug. 31. Am I missing something here?

05-18-2010, 01:14 PM	#2
Cryomaniac Hall Of Famer Join Date: May 2007 Location: Hucknall, Notts, UK Posts: 4,902	I think this is a situation of OOTP simplifying the RL rule. It would be nice to have the real rules in definitely. __________________

08-12-2010, 02:51 AM	#8
Left-handed Badger Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: at the altar of the baseball god praying for middle infield that can catch the ball Posts: 2,036	Welcome, to Whitey Herzog's world. I thought you could only make roster changes between series in the postseason. Is this a recent change? __________________ -Left-handed groundball specialist -Strikeouts are for wimps

08-12-2010, 09:31 AM	#9
Curve Ball Dave Hall Of Famer Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Chicago Posts: 2,387	I feel the pain of those who have lost players during playoff series. It's happened to me many times too. Losing guys right before the playoffs isn't much fun either. Two seasons ago I lost my two and three hitters in different games with about 5-7 games to go. My magic number was small enough that I still managed to win the division when the players went down, but we were sitting ducks in the playoffs and lost in the first round 3-1. __________________ "Hitting is timing. Pitching is upsetting timing"-Warren Spahn.

05-18-2010, 08:47 PM	#3
Isura Major Leagues Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 361	Nothing like winning 108 games and losing 3 pitchers in the first week of the playoffs. I still made it to the WS but got swept by a crappy Twins team.

05-18-2010, 09:05 PM	#4
AESP_pres Hall Of Famer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Province of Quebec Posts: 4,177	Happen to me in 1871 in my 19th century simulation, nothing fun when you loose your only pitcher for the World Serie.

05-19-2010, 12:42 PM	#5
pizzaddict Minors (Double A) Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 136	For me it was 107 win season, lost in game 7 of the ALCS after losing 2 starting OF to injury and my starting 1st basemen. When you can't replace those guys it gets really hard to pinch hit on a league that doesn't use DH. On a side note, I've now lost in game 7 of the ALCS 2 of the last 3 years.

08-12-2010, 01:48 AM	#6
hefalumps All Star Starter Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 1,392	Just ran into this one in my postseason. Lost my starting SS in Game 2 of the World Series and am using my only reserve infielder in his place. If I lose another infielder, I'll be getting creative. This really needs to be handled better. Obviously there is code that tells it to disallow roster moves during the playoffs. It would be nice if that code distinguished if the roster move was attempting to place a player on the DL, at which point it would offer you the option to replace that player with another player from your minor leagues. I think the real life rule says it has to be the same position, but if that would be too hard to code, OOTP could just distinguish between pitcher and position player. Hope this makes it into a future version of OOTP. And I hope it doesn't kill my chance at a championship.

08-12-2010, 11:34 AM	#10
chrisod Bat Boy Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 15	It would be nice if there was a "rest position players" and "set up rotation for playoffs" option that would force the AI manager to not start your ace in Game 162 when you clinched two weeks ago!