Not Sure What To Call This Thread

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Hello! It's been quite some time since I've been around these neck of the woods, sometime around 2022 I think. Glad to see this Forum is still here with contributors still kicking around things to keep Title Bout 2.5 active. Still love this game! Good to see there are others still here from years back and maybe newer members I don't know.

I tried here and there over the years to keep active here, but life (work / family) just kept getting most of my time. The last three years had been total crazy with work! Well I'm done with that! Retired this past January 23rd!! Had turned 65 last year, got 30 years in complete with my company back in January and decided it was enough! Crazing start to the retirement though. About a week later I went in for open heart surgery to get a new Aortic Valve put it! Great start to retirement, NOT. But doing very well. Between the new valve and taking up swimming as part of my recovery process I feel physically better I think then I've had in some time!

Well enough of that. One of the things I wanted very much to do now with the whole lot of extra free time is get back to this wonderful hobby and game and sport of boxing! Anyone here who knows me, will know I really love the history of old time heavyweight boxing. Did a lot of researching and contributing heavyweights to TB. Well I want to do more. Over the past years I've put together quite a collection of Ring magazines and Boxing Newspapers. The Rings I have complete back to 1939 and am working on 1938. Been skimming through them really enjoying reading about the old fighters especially. Starting with 1938, I want to go through a study of sorts of the heavyweights from Joe Louis championship times up through the Ali years. In the past I took some stabs at looking at heavyweights from back in the 30's - 40s using the Ring as sort of a guide looking up fighters. Well found I would quickly get bogged down trying to look up articles in Ring about so many Tom, Dick and Harry fighters and then going through on line newspaper articles to try and found information about them. Was taking a long time to hunt through a small number of boxers!!

So going to take a different approach. With the help of the Ring ratings that are in the magazines along with the NBA Quarterly rankings on BoxRec, I'm going to focus on those fighters that appear in those rankings. Many of course would have already been rated in TB by the many contributors over the years, but, what I'm seeing is BoxRec has greatly expanding much information on many of these fighters from when they were first looked at for TB. At least that's what I'm seeing with the copies of rated fighters I have in my data base for TB2.5. I like to look through old on line newspapers to see what else can be found about these heavyweights. There is a LOT of great information to find.

Using the Ring monthly top 10 ratings I have along with the NBA ratings I'll focus on those fighters as my base line to look at the chronological progression of heavyweight boxing from the early time of Louis' reign on through the years. Along the way I hope I can share with you all some worthwhile new information on some of these fighters along with maybe some updated ratings for them that maybe you'd appreciate. The Online newspapers and Ring's I'm seeing as great sources of new photos of fighters. I also like to look at the boxing venues. Hope I can find some new insite into old boxing venues where these fighters battled to help expand this I still feel great game of TB2.5.

By the title I put in, I thought and thought about what to call this thread and just never came up with anything I felt worth while or attention catching, so.... I didn't want to just re-bucket this into my old HW Forum from years past. Well hope you'll all see something worth your while to check in time to time......
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

And yes did have a first fighter to post.....

This French heavyweight from the 20s and 30s I just happened across when starting to look at the first fighter in the Ring ratings I was looking at the beginning of 1938. I ended deviating off that fighter and looking into this one. That's what I hope will be as I look at the main guys who showed up in ratings, it will lead me to other worthwhile researches and ratings.

Griselle is an example of how the BoxRec database has expanded. When Mark Moe did the rating I had back I'm not sure when, he noted in Griselle's biography his record and something like only 11-17!

Maurice Griselle - HW France
Career Record: W61(KO 36) / L41(KO 11) / D7

TITLES:
Federation Francaise de Boxe French Heavyweight

Original Rating by: Mark Moe, mark42661

Unknown information has been left blank.
Wiki page in BoxRec notes Griselle's died 1983-10-24 at age 75.
DOB estimated then in 1908.

Lost a 15 round decision to Pierre Charles in July 1931 for the the EBU European Heavyweight Title.

Thu, Nov 7, 1929 The Times-Union, Rochester, NY - Griselle fought W.L. (Young) Stribling in a 10 round bout in Cirque de Paris. Griselle outweight Stribling 202 to 183 lbs, but Stribling won every round, flooring Griselle three times in the opening round.

Sun, Oct 19, 1930, Democrat and Chronicle, Rochester, NY - Paulino Uzcudon, the "Bounding Basque" of Spain won over Maurice Grisell by TKO in the 5th round of a scheduled 10 in Paris. Griselle's manager, Francis Descaps stopped the fight, throwing a spong into the ring. Blows by Uzcudon to Griselle's chest evedently burst a blood vessel and the French fighter began spurting large volume of blood from his mouth.

Sun, May 1, 1932, Times Union, Brooklyn, NY - Primo Carnera, Italian Heavyweight won by TKO over Maurice Griselle, French Champion when the referee halted to bout in the 10th and last scheduled round. It appeared to the referee that Griselle, who was still on his feet, but was in no condition to continue.

Mon, Oct 30, 1933 Irish Independent, Dublin, Ireland, Hull Daily Mail, England and The Daily Telegraph, London were three newspapers at least with a small paragraph noting that Maurice Grisell, the then French Heavyweight champion for the last three years, lost his title when he was beaten on points by 20 year old Andre Lenglet in 12 rounds. If this age is correct it would put is birth date sometime in 1913.

[Cap]

Hey, welcome back! Your contributions are always appreciated.

Nice to see you've finally joined the Golden Age Retirement Club.

Cap

[Waltercito]

Welcome back, Rocco! Always loved your creations!

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Thank you Cap and Walt for the welcome backs!
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Andre Lenglet - HW France

Career Record: W37(KO 22) / L16(KO 0) / D6

TITLES:
Federation Francaise de Boxe French Heavyweight

Unknown information has been left blank.
DOB has been estimated.

Manager Bertys Perry. Found this info in some 1972 newspapers.

On Thu, Nov 25, 1937, Andre Lenglet stopped Al McCoy at 2:57 of the 2nd round when after Lenglet dropped McCoy three times in the 2nd round, Referee Tommy Sullivan stopped the fight declaring Lenglet TKO winner. This fight helped elevate Lenglet to 8th rank heavyweight contender announced Dec 19th, 1937 in the National Boxing Association's Quarterly Ratings. The February 1938 Ring Magazine in their Monthly ratings ending the month period to Dec 12, 1937 placed Lenglet at their Number 10 heavyweight contender behind champion Joe Louis. It would be the highest ranking for Lenglet in Ring and the NBA Ratings. The 1937 Annual Ring Ratings in that same Feb 1938 had Lenglet in the first group of 5 contenders after the top 12 listed by Ring for the whole of 1937.

Mon, Oct 30, 1933 Irish Independent, Dublin, Ireland, Hull Daily Mail, England and The Daily Telegraph, London were three newspapers at least with a small paragraph noting that Maurice Grisell, the then French Heavyweight champion for the last three years, lost his title when he was beaten on points by 20 year old Andre Lenglet in 12 rounds. If this age is correct it would put is birth date sometime in 1913.

Tue, Nov 14, 1933 Irish Independent, Dublin, Ireland - Andre Lenglet successfully defended his French Heavyweight title against Marcel Moret, dropping Moret twice for counts of nine. Lenglet then knocked out Moret in 4th round.

Various papers on Nov 22, 1933 were running articles on Georges Carpentier, famous French heavyweight fighter to make a comeback after more than 7 years out of the ring. It was being billed he would face current French heavyweight champion, Andre Lenglet. A day later then this comeback talk was killed by Carpentier who said he was only training for a boxing bout in a new film. Roumers though continued in the press of a comeback.

Mon, Aug 24, 1936, The Buffalo News - A commentary piece by Bob Stedler talkes about Andre Lenglet. Commentary mentions that Lenglet was never an amateur fighter. He was an engineer in a war factory when he took a notion to fight entering a tournament in Paris and won 17 bouts and the tournament title. This same commentary appeared in a number of other newspapers.

BoxRec now lists a fight for Lenglet on Oct 9, 1941 loosing a 10 round decision to a Jose Ricol in Paris. Comment with this listing in BoxRec, "Sad comback for Lenglet after being injuredin the ongoing war."

Sun, Feb 01, 1942 The Corbin Sunday Times, Corbin Ky, - A short piece that was talking of the tough times boxing apparently having in France during the war. It mentions Andre Lenglet, and him apparenlty trying to make a comeback despite that he lost in battle all the toes on one foot which prevented him from keeping his balance.

Thu, Jan 25, 1945 Sun-Journal, Lewiston, Maine - After it broke in the news of Andre Lenglet being sentanced to prison for collaborating with the Germans, this piece was written giving some fairly detailed account of Lenglet's career after he came to the State in 1936. Interesting information states that He was under the management of Art Soule at the time. After they'd come to New York, Lenglet and Soule were crossing a New York street in a snow storm when a taxi cab struck Soule. Soule pushed Lenglet ouf ot he path of the taxi but, Soule died in the hospital from his injuries. Itafte that Bertys Perry took over Lenglet's management.

Numerous newspapers ran articles in January-February on accounts of what happened to Lenglet in Paris during the war. Some articles in papers on Tue, Jan 16, 1945 posted he was convicted of charges on Jan 15th.

Thu, Feb 08, 1945 Rumford Falls Times, Rumford Maine - Reports that Adnre Lenglet was convicted being a collaborationist in Paris during the war. During a trial it was established that after the German occupation of Paris, Lenglet's car went missing. To get it back a proposal was supposadly made that he join the Petainist Legion. Evidence was presented that he accepted doing this and Lenglet was sentanced to five years at hard labor. The article mentions how Lenglet had come to the States in the late 30's to box, then in 1938 he was ordered back to France to fulfill military service and subsequently was wounded in 1940 fighting. He was then discharged from service.

Sat, Dec 29, 1945 Western Daily Press, Bristol, England - "Death of Former French Champion", announces that Andre Lenglet died in a Paris hospital "yesterday". So placing his date of death as Dec 28, 1945. Several other papers found on line ran the same obituary information on this date.

Thu, Apr 18, 1946 Republican and Herald, Pottsville, PA - In this and some other newspapers a short piece that mentions Andre Lenglet, "died in Paris recently, according to Lew Burston, who was returning from abroad".

Sat, Feb 8, 1991 Manchester Evening News, Manchester England - A nice fairly lengthly article "French hope lost out to the big fight" on Andre Lenglet delves into some nice career hilites. It mentions that he worked in a car factory and had never put on a boxing glove until at age 20 he saw a poster advertising a competition for heavyweight novices. He quickly signed on and ended the number one contestant as the commentary in the Buffalo News back in 1936 mentions. By age 25, Lenglet had developed into a pretty capable fighter. But he never had the opportunity to fullfil his career ad within month of World War 2 starting, Andre immediately volunteer for service. He was wounded in combat. This article says he never fought again in the ring, but BoxRec notes that last fight in October 1941.

[IceTea]

Welcome back. I'm glad to hear that you're doing better. Keep punching and ducking.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Appreciate the welcome back!! Yes, doing great right now. Hope that continues on for a long while!
Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Been working on researching through the newspapers some other fighters linked to Andre Lenglet and his fight in November 1937 with Al McCoy. Came across this info thought you might enjoy to add to your collections of Venues.
HAPPY NEW YEAR 2026 soon!
Riding Hall
Fort Ethan Allen, Vermont
223 Ethan Allen Avenue, USA
Site Rating 1
Seating Capacity 800
Website: www.hmdb.org/m.asp?m=104074
Fort Ethan Allen in Vermont. The Music Center seen as in current photos from the Website included was built in 1895 as Riding Hall. Various boxing matches were stage here as found in some old 1930's newspapers.

Tue, Oct 29, 1935, The Burlington Free Press, Vermont - Account of some boxing matches held at Riding Hall notes that "over 800 fight fans, taxing the seating capacity of the Post riding hall at Fort Ethan Allen".

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Wow.....few more hours left to 2025!! Gosh this year has blown by!!
Happy New Year a few hours early everyone!

I mentioned in the previous post I'm researching through some other fighters in the card that Andre Lenglet fought Al McCoy to earn his way briefly as it was into Ring Magazine's top 10 rankings in very early 1938. Looking at this fight card, I've come across a couple interesting things. Directly in this fight card, one match up is a Jim Howell who BoxRec had a 7-8-1 at the time going up against a Babe Beattie, 3-2-0. Nothing much to look at would think.

Well I first start looking into newpaper records for Babe Beattie. BoxRec shows him fighting once in 1932 then not again till meeting Bill Ferguson from Portland, Maine in February 1937. Well my immediate curiosity was what as the deal with Beattie between 1932 and 1937. Well I was having some difficulty finding Babe Beattie mentioned in early 1937 and specifically against Ferguson at first. What I have discovered I believe is BoxRec had two different records for this Babe Beattie. One with the Beattie spelling, a heApr 12, 1935avyweight with an overall 8-9-0 record. The second is a Babe Beatty, which BoxRec lists him as a welterweight with only 3 fights, all in 1936 and all against a Hub Parker. Some further looking through newspaper accounts appears to show that these are the same fighter going by Babe Beatty earlier in his career as a light heavyweight then I'm believing at least in the papers they started spelling him as Beattie, which I saw when first looking for the Jim Howell fight. While looking through this time period, I stumbled on these two newspaper articles for a Babe Beatty fighting a guy named Jumbo Gauvin. Right off I don't remember how I found these, but i lead me into another maze. Looked up this Jumbo Gauvin and BoxRec shows only 2 fights, one in 1936 and one in 1941. But, here is where he fought Mr. Babe Beatty...

Tue, Feb 16, 1937 and Sat Feb 20, 1937, The Newport Daily Express, VT - Jumbo Gauvin "of Orleans" this article states presenting the fight to be coming up on Newport boxing promoter Dave Sisco's upcoming fight show. Jumbo Gauvin is presented as the heavyweight champ of Vermont. Says that Gauvin and Babe Beatty who Gauvin is to fight are two of the very popular boxers in the area. The article on the 16th states Gauvin "of Fort Ethan Allen".

Fri, Feb 26, 1937, The Caledonian-Record, St. Johnsbury, VT - Light heavweight champion Babe Beatty stopped Jumbo Gauvin in the 4th round of a scheduled 10 rounder. At the outset of the fight, Beatty showed being aggressively cautious but the better boxer. Beatty trailed Gauvin of Fort Ethan Allen about the ring staying clear of a fast left that Gauvin would deliver on occasion. Beatty kept up the same tactics in the second outpointing Gauvin. The third round was pretty even, but then in the fourth, Beatty delivered a right hook to Gauvin's jaw that left him groggy. As Gauvin wondered over to the opposit corner, Beatty planted another. Leaning back clutching the top rope, Gauvin left himself open to lefts and rights from Beatty and eventually he dropped to the canvas in a puddle of blood from his nose.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Well, I got me curiosity up quick about this Jumbo Gauvin. A guy out of Vermont. I've started researching him and I'm finding quite a bit of a boxing record for him in the newspapers. So I want to complete through a rating for this guy which I'll base on what I find in the newspapers, not what BoxRec has. Don't have rating file yet for him, but here is what I've unearthed so far along with a photo I did fight of him.

If you pull my fighter photos you'll see I reference the paper source I found it. If it don't have any and just their name its from BoxRec.

Here is some info thus far on our Jumbo Gauvin
Career Record: W0(KO 0) / L2(KO 2) / D0 (BoxRec)

TITLES:
Heavyweight Champion of Vermont

Unknown information has been left blank

Real Name appears to be Ernest Gauvin.

The only two fights listed in BoxRec for Gauvin is Oct 1936 2nd round KO loss to an Oliver Shanks and then In January 1941a 2nd round RTD to a Bat Mazzolla. Per BoxRec this was for the Vermont State Heavyweight title.

Doing searches through Newspapers.com for Jumbo Gauving turned up the following fights he participated in.

Thu, Oct 04, 1934, The Hardwick Gazette, Harwick, Vt. - In a fight card staged that Tuesday night, Oct 2nd, at a Gym in assuming Hardwick from this paper, Pete Gandara, 177 pounds from Barre, "reputed to be a real slugger for his wieght,", was no match for Jumbo Ernest Gauvin of Waterbury CCC (and Orleans and earlier dated article announcing this fight), who came in officially at 190 lbs but looked heavier then that. Gauvin Knockedout Gandara "in the first of the third"? Not sure it means the 1st round of a scheduled 3?

Fri, Nov 08, 1935, The Burlington Free Press, Vermont - Jumbo Gauvin, 185, noted with the 7th Field Artillery (Army?), will fight against a Butch Barham, 180 Plattsburg Barracks, N.Y. in a 6 rounder this evening. Article notes Gauvin made is debut (amateur?) the last Friday knocking out a Montreal heavyweight, Leo Paul.

Tue, Nov 12, 1935, The Burlington Free Press, Vermont - Jumbo Gauvin, Battery "D", Sevent Field Artillery, 185 lbs knocked out Butch Barkan, 16th Infantry of Plattsburg Barracks in the 2nd round of their scheduled 6 round heavyweight bout at Riding Hall, Fort Ethan Allen the previous night.

Wed, Dec 18, 1935, The Burlington Free Press, Vermont - This article mentions Jumbo Gauvin, "21-year-old giant of Battery D, Seventh Field Artillery, 190 pounds" is to fight against Dynamite Lucier, 185 pounds of Charlotte. The piece says Gauvin, "still new to the professional ring, has won both of his local bouts by clean knockouts. This refers to his knockout of Butch Barkam in November

So Gauvin fighting professionally by age 21 here in 1935? None of this in BoxRec. Estimate his Date of Birth then as 1914.

Sat, Dec 21, 1935, The Burlington Free Press, Vermont - Jumbo Gauvin defeated Jimmie Willoboy of Montreal in one round as Willboy received a bad cut on his nose and went down twice in the first round. The Burlington Free Press on Dec 23rd reported, Gauvin fought Willoboy(seen this spelled Willoboy and Willoby), with an injured left hand. X-Ray later disclosed a fractured thumb. Because of this injury, Gauvin was scrubbed from the planned fight with Dynamite Lucier.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Jumbo Gauvin - HW, Vermont (Record Research Continued)

Tue, Feb 04, 1936, Burlington Daily News, Vermont - Jumbo Gauvin lost a six rounder to an Al Barcan of Plattsburgh Barracks even though Barcan went down for counts of nine three times! Barcan kept plugging away at Gauvin's head with his left and had Gauvin grobby in the final round. In the end the judges called the bout a draw but the crowed showed their opinions that Barcan was the victor when he left the ring to loud applause.

Tue, May 05, 1936, Burlington Daily News, Vermont - Pete Gandara, of Barre, 180, substituting for planned Jumbo Gauvin, 195 opponent, Mel Sheppard, managed a draw for the contest by the referee despite Gauvin having the better of the fight in the first 4 rounds. In the final two, rounds, Gandara launched a barrage of straight lefts to the face and hard rights to the mid-section of Gauvin to apparently show the referee enough to award the draw. In this article they referred to Gandara as "the Spaniard".

A number of newspaper accounts from May 18-21, 1936 with preliminary hilites of a Fight card at the Armory in Newport, Vermont on May 21st. This fight card will feature Jumbo Gauvin in a heavyweight bout against Gene Bernier from Lewiston, Maine as the Second Main Bout. The first Main Bout is listed with Light Heavyweight Babe Beatty, Sherbrooke, 170 pounds vs Hub Parker, Newport, 165 pounds. This is the fight BoxRec lists under Babe Beatty, Welterweight from Sherbrooke. These articles mentions Gauvin as from Orleans. Assuming that being Orleans, Vermont.

Fri, May 22, 1936, The Newport Daily Express - In the fifth round of the scheduled eight rounds between Gene Bernier 200 pounds and Jumbo Gauvin, 197 pounds, Gauvin connected a hard right to Bernier's head and knocked him cold. Bernier couldn't stand up to the barrage of rights and lefts from Gauvin and was dropped to the canvas seven times for long counts. This report gave Gauvin credit for it being his 18th consecutive KO?

Fri, Jun 26, 1936, The Caledonian-Record, St. Johnsbury, VT - At the Town Hall in Hardwick, Bill Ferguson of Portland, Maine racked up with 18th fight without a loss with a 6 round technical knockout of Jumbo Gauvin. The fight was scheduled for eight round. Gauvin was the favorite in the match having a sizeable weight advantage and had built a reputation of being a terrific slugger the Caledonian-Record recorded. But, Ferguson's experience played out to victory. The sixth round was less than a minute old when Ferguson sent a left into Gauvin's left eye that brought a stream of blood. The two fighters fought on but then another left mad a mess further of the cut and Referee Firpo after looking at the injury, stopped the fight. A side note, the Caledonian-Record ran a pre-fight article on June 24 and said that Ferguson had fought 15 amateur fights and then had fought 17 professionally up to meeting Gauvin. Ferguson's BoxRec listing showed him only 8-0-0 record, all fights being in 1936. Gauvin fight is not listed.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Found some real nice information and Photos on the Burlington Memorial Auditorium where the fight between Jumbo Gauvin and Bat Mazzolla was fought.

Burlington Memorial Auditorium
Burlington, Vermont
Corner of Main and S Union Streets
USA
Historical
A couple websites are listed
Rating 1
Seating Capacity 2500 though believe for boxing if you look at the inside view photo it would be less with not as much seating on the floor?

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Jumbo Gauvin - HW, Vermont (Record Research Continued)

Mon, Jul 06, 1936, The Gazette, Montreal - In the Fight card with Main Event Al McCoy facing off against veteran Philadelphia heavyweight Tommy Loughran, a 6 rounder is scheduled between Jumbo Gauvin and Jim Ostedel, a local Lewiston, Maine heavyweight. The Jul 07, 1936 The Gazette with reports on the results of the McCoy/Loughran fight says that in a preliminary bout, Jim Ostedel scored a 2nd round knockout of Joe Asselin of Quebec. BoxRec notes in the McCoy/ Loughran fight card details that Asselin was a late replacement for Jumbo Gauvin. Gauvin intended to fight Willie Luhr on July 4th and then on Monday the 6th fight Ostedel?

Mon, Jul 06, 1936, Burlington Daily News, Vt - In a fight in at the Bayside Pavilion, on Saturday July 4th, Jumbo Gauvin, 190, recognized as the heavyweight champion of Vermont was floored by Willie Luhr, 174 of Montreal. Luhr took a beating from Gauvin in the first round, but in the second round, the native German Luhr came back with a "vicious overhand right to the jaw" followed by a left to Gauvin's mid section, sending Gauvin down for a knockout. Report says its the first time Gauvin's been knocked out in his career.

[Cap]

Re: Babe Beattie. I came across a Facebook image of a poster from October 1932. Beattie rendered hors de combat one Kid Demers of Sherbrooke, Que. Almost impossible to find info on these smalltown cards. especially ones during the Depression. Beattie was 165 pounds at the time. Suspect he had other bouts after this one and before 1937.

Cap

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Hey Cap! Thank you for that input. I'd not thought much about looking through Facebook for much info though I have come across a thing or two.

I'll check this out to see if I can find the page you describe. Would love to see that. Yes he started out and what I've found thus far as a light heavyweight but with his name spelled Beatty though it might be it just got spelled both ways in the press?

Rocco

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Around July/August 1936, reports were out that Jack Renault former Canadian Heavyweight was planning a comeback to his career that had ended in 1933. That planned comeback was being set up to take place against Jumbo Gauvin. How I found out about this researching more Gauvin. Saw Renault in my heavyweights TB data base. He was rated by the TBCB3 DB Team. Attached is an updated file for him. Did nothing with the ratings, only updated some Bio info that I found. Also found a pretty good photo of him I liked, so attached.

Jack Renault - HW Canada
Career Record: W80(KO 37) / L28(KO 2) / D2, NC-6

TITLES:
Canadian Heavyweight Title

Unknown information has been left blank.

BoxRec's Wki page on Renault shows he died 1967-07-28 at age 72. The actual Wikipedia page for Renault lists his date of birth as Jan 18, 1898. Birth name was Leonard Dumoulin.

Defeated Floyd Johnson, Fred Fulton, Al Benedict, Bob Roper Bartley Madden, Homer Smith, George Godfrey, Jack DeMave, Sully Montgomery, Arthur De Kuh, Young Bob Fitzsimmons, Babe Hunt, Harold Mays, and Add Warren.

Added website Link to BoxRec Wiki Page for some interesting info on Renault that is there.

Thu, July 16, 1936 The Caledonian-Record, St. Johnsbury,Vermont - Reports some news of interest to the sporting world and local fans of interest in boxing when they revealed that Jack Renault was to visit Newport and officiate some bouts in the Border City armory. Biggest news is that Renault is suppose to be preparing for a ring comeback and that this may happen in Newport R.I. against Jumbo Gauvin, Orleans heavyweight currently from Fort Ethan Allen.

Thu, Aug 20, 1936, The Newport Daily Express, Vermont - Reporting that Jack Renault's planned comeback is a week away against Jumbo Gauvin. Renault was inspired to make this comeback as a result of the comebacks of Jack Sharkey and Max Schmeling. This article notes Renault's date of birth of 1/18/1898.

Tue, Aug 25, 1936, The Caledonian-Record, St. Johnsbury, VT - Reports that the Renault comeback against Jumbo Gauvin scheduled to take place that Thursday was canceled due to a leg injury suffered by Renault in training.

This comeback fizzled out quickly with reports that Renault had taken up working in law enforcement joining the Pinkertons as reported in numerous newspapers.

Tue, Nov 3, 1936, Sun-Journal, Lewiston, Maine - Short little blurb about Renault notes that the one time heavyweight boxer, had also been in the movies and as a law enforcement officer in Canada and was now a doorman at a New York night club! Several other newspapers mention this.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Rocco Del Sesto

Hey Cap! Thank you for that input. I'd not thought much about looking through Facebook for much info though I have come across a thing or two.

I'll check this out to see if I can find the page you describe. Would love to see that. Yes he started out and what I've found thus far as a light heavyweight but with his name spelled Beatty though it might be it just got spelled both ways in the press?

Rocco

I looked on Facebook and found the site you mentioned Cap. Attached is the photo of Babe Beattie posted. In looking through some more newspapers researching Jumbo Gauvin during early months of 1937 with discussions of Gauvin fighting light heavyweight Babe Beatty. I came across of a full length photo of Babe Beatty and made an upper body shot of him for more face close up. I've attached these to compare these with the Bbe Beattie photo from the Facebook site and also a head shot that is now posted on BoxRec for Babe Beattie. Any similarities that would indicate Babe Beattie and Babe Beatty are in fact the same boxer? Still trying to figure this out. The two large standup photos, one labeled from the facebook site saying Beattie from 1930s and then the other that says Beatty I found in an April 1937 paper. Do looks like the same boxer. Think there is some issues not known why in publications his last name spelling change.

[Waltercito]

Happy New Year!


Beattie and Beatty are definitely the same guy if you ask me. Have you reported the issue to boxrec yet? If not, I can do it.

[Rocco Del Sesto]

Originally Posted by Waltercito

Happy New Year!


Beattie and Beatty are definitely the same guy if you ask me. Have you reported the issue to boxrec yet? If not, I can do it.

I had not tried contacting boxrec about this. If you've dealt with correspondence with them and would know how to present the info to them I would very much appreciate that! Any info off this thread please feel free to send to them assuming you need to send to them.

Happy New Years also!!

Rocco