Sooo...what's gunna happen here

sfgiants88 · 12-29-2005, 04:27 AM

End of the season coming up.

I have a guy who has 3yrs, 56 days of Major League Service time.

I have sent him to the minors, and was able to sign him to a Minor League Contract.

However, on his player page, it says that he is arbitration eligible with an estimate of 460k.

1. Am I correct to assume that, since he is in the minors, the MLC will take effect, and he will not be offered arbitration?

2. If the above is correct, do I need to place him on the 40-man roster to prevent him from becoming a Minor League FA? (since he has more than 6 years of pro service)

Here is his player page: http://ssbl.net/reports/p2956.html

Aordolin · 12-29-2005, 08:42 AM

If hes not on the 40man roster he would become a FA, if he is he will get arbritation. Ive tried to sign ML extensions on 6 year FAs before and they became FAs anyway. So if you want to keep him you better just pay him arbritation

james17 · 12-29-2005, 03:55 PM

I believe the minor league contract will prevent him from getting arbitration. But, you'll have to keep him on the 40-man to avoid him becoming a free agent.

andymac · 12-29-2005, 04:06 PM

It is going to be one of two things (I'm not real sure which).

1. He will get assigned an arbitration contract.
2. He will become a free agent.

The minor league contract will not stick if you have minor league free agents on.

If you don't want him to become a free agent, I would put him on the 40-man just to make sure.

sfgiants88 · 12-29-2005, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by james17

I believe the minor league contract will prevent him from getting arbitration. But, you'll have to keep him on the 40-man to avoid him becoming a free agent.

I see the reasoning behind this, but each other player who is to become a minor league FA has this under his name:

Sample Minor League FA

Koffman

Also, in the player salary screen, it does not say he will become a minor league FA. This could be a bug/flaw with OOTP, or it could be a proper indicator of what will happen.

Player Salary Screen (Koffman is right around the middle)

Quote:

Originally Posted by andymac

It is going to be one of two things (I'm not real sure which).

1. He will get assigned an arbitration contract.
2. He will become a free agent.

The minor league contract will not stick if you have minor league free agents on.

If you don't want him to become a free agent, I would put him on the 40-man just to make sure.

What I am hoping is that OOTP goes through its logic like this.

1. Check to see if said player has MLC
2. Check to see if said player has 6 or more pro years.
3. If both 1 and 2 are "yes", then said player becomes Minor League FA.

In Koffman's case, he only gets his MLC after the season rolls over, which would violate the first part of OOTP's checklist to become minor league FA. Or so I hope.

My 40-man is basically full, and to get him a slot, I would have to release someone. Also, I cannot test this because it's an online league. Finally, I have been able to work out a trade for Koffman (but it takes effect the following season) Therefore, it is absolutely necessary for him to stay on my roster.

Thanks for the help so far.

bp_ · 12-29-2005, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfgiants88

End of the season coming up.

I have a guy who has 3yrs, 56 days of Major League Service time.

I have sent him to the minors, and was able to sign him to a Minor League Contract.

However, on his player page, it says that he is arbitration eligible with an estimate of 460k.

1. Am I correct to assume that, since he is in the minors, the MLC will take effect, and he will not be offered arbitration?

2. If the above is correct, do I need to place him on the 40-man roster to prevent him from becoming a Minor League FA? (since he has more than 6 years of pro service)

Here is his player page: http://ssbl.net/reports/p2956.html

If he is on your 40 man roster (he must be as you can't have a player with a major league contract in the minors w/o taking a 40 man spot) and has agreed to an extension than he will get a minor league contract when the season flips. If you were to have this player on your 25 man roster he would get a $300,000 contract (the game would give him the minor league contract but since he was on the 25 man roster he would get the minimum). In either case he doesn't get arbitration.

sfgiants88 · 12-29-2005, 07:33 PM

Actually, he is not on 40-man.

I was able to remove him from 40-man roster after he cleared waivers.

Aordolin · 12-30-2005, 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bp_

If he is on your 40 man roster (he must be as you can't have a player with a major league contract in the minors w/o taking a 40 man spot) and has agreed to an extension than he will get a minor league contract when the season flips. If you were to have this player on your 25 man roster he would get a $300,000 contract (the game would give him the minor league contract but since he was on the 25 man roster he would get the minimum). In either case he doesn't get arbitration.

Yep thats not right, If the player accepts the assignment and clears waivers you can have players with ML contracts not on the 40 man roster in the minors.

bp_ · 12-30-2005, 08:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sfgiants88

Actually, he is not on 40-man.

I was able to remove him from 40-man roster after he cleared waivers.

You must be using an older version of OOTP as I thot this bug was fixed. I'm pretty sure a player can't have a major league contract and NOT be on a 40 man roster in 6.5.

sfgiants88 · 12-30-2005, 09:32 PM

Well I double-checked, and I am definitely using 6.51A.

6.51a Screenshot

Screenshot of 40-man roster

Screeshot of Koffman's Player Card (with Major League Contract)

bp_ · 12-31-2005, 11:01 AM

well I'm not sure how you got him off your 40-man but I guess this would constitute a bug (unless you removed him from your 40-man before you started using 6.51 which solved some odd way of removing a guy from the 40-man with a major league contract).

I'd guess that first the game will give him a minor league contract so he won't be offered arbitration and then he will become a minor league free agent since he has 6+ yrs of service. It really depends how the code is written and where the game makes the decision to remove players from your roster.

12-29-2005, 04:27 AM	#1
sfgiants88 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 885	Sooo...what's gunna happen here End of the season coming up. I have a guy who has 3yrs, 56 days of Major League Service time. I have sent him to the minors, and was able to sign him to a Minor League Contract. However, on his player page, it says that he is arbitration eligible with an estimate of 460k. 1. Am I correct to assume that, since he is in the minors, the MLC will take effect, and he will not be offered arbitration? 2. If the above is correct, do I need to place him on the 40-man roster to prevent him from becoming a Minor League FA? (since he has more than 6 years of pro service) Here is his player page: http://ssbl.net/reports/p2956.html Last edited by sfgiants88; 12-29-2005 at 04:29 AM.

12-29-2005, 04:06 PM	#4
andymac Hall Of Famer Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Effingham, IL Posts: 5,725	It is going to be one of two things (I'm not real sure which). 1. He will get assigned an arbitration contract. 2. He will become a free agent. The minor league contract will not stick if you have minor league free agents on. If you don't want him to become a free agent, I would put him on the 40-man just to make sure. __________________ June Madness: Links FTB: andymac

12-30-2005, 09:32 PM	#10
sfgiants88 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 885	Well I double-checked, and I am definitely using 6.51A. 6.51a Screenshot Screenshot of 40-man roster Screeshot of Koffman's Player Card (with Major League Contract) Last edited by sfgiants88; 12-30-2005 at 09:33 PM.

12-31-2005, 11:01 AM	#11
bp_ Hall Of Famer Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New York, NY Posts: 2,804	well I'm not sure how you got him off your 40-man but I guess this would constitute a bug (unless you removed him from your 40-man before you started using 6.51 which solved some odd way of removing a guy from the 40-man with a major league contract). I'd guess that first the game will give him a minor league contract so he won't be offered arbitration and then he will become a minor league free agent since he has 6+ yrs of service. It really depends how the code is written and where the game makes the decision to remove players from your roster. __________________ Commish: Over The Mound

12-29-2005, 08:42 AM	#2
Aordolin All Star Reserve Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 586	If hes not on the 40man roster he would become a FA, if he is he will get arbritation. Ive tried to sign ML extensions on 6 year FAs before and they became FAs anyway. So if you want to keep him you better just pay him arbritation

12-29-2005, 03:55 PM	#3
james17 All Star Starter Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 1,305	I believe the minor league contract will prevent him from getting arbitration. But, you'll have to keep him on the 40-man to avoid him becoming a free agent.

12-29-2005, 07:33 PM	#7
sfgiants88 All Star Reserve Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 885	Actually, he is not on 40-man. I was able to remove him from 40-man roster after he cleared waivers.