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djday45 · 07-26-2008, 07:43 AM

His rating is pretty acurate but needs changing in some areas to get him on the money.

FIGHTING INSIDE - 4 - He mas a master inside fighter and his ability to clinch, slip blows and parry inside then counter with his amazing uppercuts was one of his biggest strengths

FIGHTING OUTSIDE - 3 - changed slightly to reflect him fighting flat footed much of the time not a true mover like Holmes or Ali for example.

CLINCHING - 73 - as mentioned was a master at clinching not just to rest but to set up his punches on the inside.

CONTROL VS SLUGGER - 14 - Always did best against fighters who led against him and moved in where he could use his amazin defence to block and parry and counter.

CHIN VS KNOCKDOWN - 3 - despite his vaunted skills he could and was hurt and suffered a few stoppages in his career his chin must have a slight question mark especially when you consider his excellent defence.

ABSORB PUNISHMENT - 3 - his heart is also under examination, maybe not so much his heart but he was involved in some strange stoppages such as Hart and Willard and he perhaps was a bit of a bully and lsot the will to win when it wasant going his way.

KILLER INSTINCT - 5 - The point was he could finish if he wanted to he certainly had the tools but Johnson just didnt WANT to. he enjoyed taking his time slowly picking men apart like tearing wings off a butterfly he was a very cruel fighter look at the Burns and Jeffries fights for examples.

AGGRESSION - 6 - he was very very patient and never took chances not until he was in total control of a fight in the later rounds, the prototype counter puncher.

FAST STARTER - 3 - again he took a while too warm up and could be very passive in the early rounds of a fight while he took his measure of his man.

HITTING POWER - 8 - quite a powerful puncher when required his trouble was he was so careful he rarely employed his power punches until late on. Even so his punches especially the right hand and uppercut were nasty and damaging.

COUNTER PUNCHING - 46 - one of the greatest counter punchers off all time with great speed skill and defensive ability setting him up to counter with his long quick jab or straight right hand.

PUNCHES MISSED - 58 - He was one of the most economical fighters, rarely missing or using any more energy than he needed to expend.

PUNCH TYPES - increase his 3 point crosses and especially his uppercuts and reduce down his hooks and combos somewhat.

OVERALL RATING - 13 - Johnson should be right up there with that tier of Ali and Louis, I feel he would give them a life or death contest and then lose surprisingly to a fighter not fit to lace his gloves.

07-26-2008, 07:43 AM	#35
djday45 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,502	Jack Johnson His rating is pretty acurate but needs changing in some areas to get him on the money. FIGHTING INSIDE - 4 - He mas a master inside fighter and his ability to clinch, slip blows and parry inside then counter with his amazing uppercuts was one of his biggest strengths FIGHTING OUTSIDE - 3 - changed slightly to reflect him fighting flat footed much of the time not a true mover like Holmes or Ali for example. CLINCHING - 73 - as mentioned was a master at clinching not just to rest but to set up his punches on the inside. CONTROL VS SLUGGER - 14 - Always did best against fighters who led against him and moved in where he could use his amazin defence to block and parry and counter. CHIN VS KNOCKDOWN - 3 - despite his vaunted skills he could and was hurt and suffered a few stoppages in his career his chin must have a slight question mark especially when you consider his excellent defence. ABSORB PUNISHMENT - 3 - his heart is also under examination, maybe not so much his heart but he was involved in some strange stoppages such as Hart and Willard and he perhaps was a bit of a bully and lsot the will to win when it wasant going his way. KILLER INSTINCT - 5 - The point was he could finish if he wanted to he certainly had the tools but Johnson just didnt WANT to. he enjoyed taking his time slowly picking men apart like tearing wings off a butterfly he was a very cruel fighter look at the Burns and Jeffries fights for examples. AGGRESSION - 6 - he was very very patient and never took chances not until he was in total control of a fight in the later rounds, the prototype counter puncher. FAST STARTER - 3 - again he took a while too warm up and could be very passive in the early rounds of a fight while he took his measure of his man. HITTING POWER - 8 - quite a powerful puncher when required his trouble was he was so careful he rarely employed his power punches until late on. Even so his punches especially the right hand and uppercut were nasty and damaging. COUNTER PUNCHING - 46 - one of the greatest counter punchers off all time with great speed skill and defensive ability setting him up to counter with his long quick jab or straight right hand. PUNCHES MISSED - 58 - He was one of the most economical fighters, rarely missing or using any more energy than he needed to expend. PUNCH TYPES - increase his 3 point crosses and especially his uppercuts and reduce down his hooks and combos somewhat. OVERALL RATING - 13 - Johnson should be right up there with that tier of Ali and Louis, I feel he would give them a life or death contest and then lose surprisingly to a fighter not fit to lace his gloves.