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djday45 · 11-14-2008, 11:14 PM

Hey Big Matt, thks for the kind words. You ask and you shall receive! Here is Maher a fascinating fighter of total contradictions if he is rated right.

Style - Slugger. Really not a boxer/puncher he was an all out dangerous slugger.

Fight Outside - 1. He had little in the way of boxing skill. He was a puncher.

Cover Up - 0. Again little boxing skill or nous when it came to defending himself he was knocked out rather a lot.

Knockout - 3. Always his first and probably only tactic was to take the other guys head off.

Clinching - 73. All these early brawlers/sluggers from boxings early days could lose a little movement. Maher is no execption.

Conditioning - 9. The conditioning rating is where you can really make the boxers personality shine if you do a little digging and take some chances. Im going with headcase for him as he was the very model of inconsistency during his career with one sided blow outs being the norm for him on both sides of the fence.

Intellect - 3. Again reducing this way down. To make the great boxers special you must really guard against makjing everyone average in catergories I feel. Give them the real strengths and weaknessess they had in life. He was known for being a face first slugger of dangerous power but weak chin. ring intelligence didnt come into it lol.

Control Vs. Boxer - 8. He was a serious contender during his time so am increasing both control factors by a point. if we use control 10 as a benchmark for a contender then he would be a little off off that as his skill set as a ring general wasant great but not way off that benchmark.

Control VS. Slugger - 9. See above, slightly more at home against these guys.

Control VS. Knockdown - 3. Mahers chin was weak, but not in an obvious way. If you research him, time and time again you read once hurt he was knocked down multiple times so im going to improve this rating by a point but at the same time worsen his recovery by 2.
This should ensure once he gets hurt hes in a world of hurt but should stiffen him slightly until that occurs which models him nicely.

Recovery - 6. See above. Jesus he will be bounced around like a bowling pin once hes been down once, which happened to him again and again, he was stopped a lot!

Resistance to cuts - 1. Again during the era taking this down a notch quite often to reflect the time period unless it was clearly documented they had a problem with cuts.

Absorb Punishment - 2. Improving this a notch. He was a brave man, he had to be he kept getting back up!. to ensure he is in the contest long enough to go down multiple times in a round often we make a little adjustment here.

Agressivness - 9. Very agressive puncher, which was a real boon and a weakness as well.

Defense- +5. What defense? Ive worsened this a lot as he was known as powerful but had no skills as such. His style was a fast face first puncher.

Fight on Ropes - 3. I would make this the standard in the era and maybe always to make the great guys stand out.

Hitting Power - 11. Way up. He was known as one of the most powerful punchers of the era. He had over 40 stoppages to his name in an era of not ending fights quickly. This and his speed was his strength, what made him a contender despite his other shortcomings. an 11 is a great score for guys like this. Power enough to do lots and lots of damage but unless documented we dont want them into the all time great ranges of power.

Punches Landed - 40. He is documented as fast. with hurtful spiteful blows of speed and power. now if we take 38 as the average for a contender type of guy, then he should be above this, his documented lack of skill however forces me to limit his here. 41 and above should be limited to the masters of speed and skill.

Counterpunching - 34. Reducing this down a notch due to his lack of boxing skills seems appropriate. I have no problem against changing the perceived range of punches landed/counterpunching ratio especially if it points up a guys style.

Overall Rating - 6. He rises to a 6 which is still low for him to be a main contender but if we look at how he will do against the often pretty unskilled competition of his era its actually fine. His fights will be very exciting he will sometimes pull a result out of the bag which shocks you and more often he will be on the receiving end of a total shocker. As it should be.

11-14-2008, 11:14 PM	#80
djday45 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,502	Peter Maher Hey Big Matt, thks for the kind words. You ask and you shall receive! Here is Maher a fascinating fighter of total contradictions if he is rated right. Style - Slugger. Really not a boxer/puncher he was an all out dangerous slugger. Fight Outside - 1. He had little in the way of boxing skill. He was a puncher. Cover Up - 0. Again little boxing skill or nous when it came to defending himself he was knocked out rather a lot. Knockout - 3. Always his first and probably only tactic was to take the other guys head off. Clinching - 73. All these early brawlers/sluggers from boxings early days could lose a little movement. Maher is no execption. Conditioning - 9. The conditioning rating is where you can really make the boxers personality shine if you do a little digging and take some chances. Im going with headcase for him as he was the very model of inconsistency during his career with one sided blow outs being the norm for him on both sides of the fence. Intellect - 3. Again reducing this way down. To make the great boxers special you must really guard against makjing everyone average in catergories I feel. Give them the real strengths and weaknessess they had in life. He was known for being a face first slugger of dangerous power but weak chin. ring intelligence didnt come into it lol. Control Vs. Boxer - 8. He was a serious contender during his time so am increasing both control factors by a point. if we use control 10 as a benchmark for a contender then he would be a little off off that as his skill set as a ring general wasant great but not way off that benchmark. Control VS. Slugger - 9. See above, slightly more at home against these guys. Control VS. Knockdown - 3. Mahers chin was weak, but not in an obvious way. If you research him, time and time again you read once hurt he was knocked down multiple times so im going to improve this rating by a point but at the same time worsen his recovery by 2. This should ensure once he gets hurt hes in a world of hurt but should stiffen him slightly until that occurs which models him nicely. Recovery - 6. See above. Jesus he will be bounced around like a bowling pin once hes been down once, which happened to him again and again, he was stopped a lot! Resistance to cuts - 1. Again during the era taking this down a notch quite often to reflect the time period unless it was clearly documented they had a problem with cuts. Absorb Punishment - 2. Improving this a notch. He was a brave man, he had to be he kept getting back up!. to ensure he is in the contest long enough to go down multiple times in a round often we make a little adjustment here. Agressivness - 9. Very agressive puncher, which was a real boon and a weakness as well. Defense- +5. What defense? Ive worsened this a lot as he was known as powerful but had no skills as such. His style was a fast face first puncher. Fight on Ropes - 3. I would make this the standard in the era and maybe always to make the great guys stand out. Hitting Power - 11. Way up. He was known as one of the most powerful punchers of the era. He had over 40 stoppages to his name in an era of not ending fights quickly. This and his speed was his strength, what made him a contender despite his other shortcomings. an 11 is a great score for guys like this. Power enough to do lots and lots of damage but unless documented we dont want them into the all time great ranges of power. Punches Landed - 40. He is documented as fast. with hurtful spiteful blows of speed and power. now if we take 38 as the average for a contender type of guy, then he should be above this, his documented lack of skill however forces me to limit his here. 41 and above should be limited to the masters of speed and skill. Counterpunching - 34. Reducing this down a notch due to his lack of boxing skills seems appropriate. I have no problem against changing the perceived range of punches landed/counterpunching ratio especially if it points up a guys style. Overall Rating - 6. He rises to a 6 which is still low for him to be a main contender but if we look at how he will do against the often pretty unskilled competition of his era its actually fine. His fights will be very exciting he will sometimes pull a result out of the bag which shocks you and more often he will be on the receiving end of a total shocker. As it should be.