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VanillaGorilla · 02-20-2013, 06:28 AM

A neat thing about this HOF model is that you could take the same league results and run this method 100 times and get 100 different sets of players. You would get a core of 75%-80% of the Hall that would be in each of the 100 HOFs, and probably half of those not in 100% of the Halls would be in 90% of them. But the mix of the of the 200+ players would be different, for each.

If saying 100 out of 100 having different compositions is a stretch (and it may well be a stretch) the chances of having any 2 HOFs out of 100 where the same players are inducted in the same years is microscopically low.

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Javier Vasquez was selected by the White Sox as the 13th overall pick in 2002. In a career that lasted through the 2019 season, Vazquez posted a record of 200-149 with an OOTP ERA of 4.08 (npa OPS+ 114). Vazquez is the first pitcher to be inducted with a career ERA over 4.00.

For his career, he received run support of 4.01 runs per game. How did he put up a career win% of .573 when he was charged with EARNED runs at a rate higher than he received TOTAL run support? My curiosity was quickly satisfied.

Vazquez pitched in 6 All-Star games from 2003-2012. In 2012 he pitched a no hitter and won his only WS as he led the Red Sox to the Championship. He is the first HOFer from that Boston team. He had a total of 10 days worth of injury time through 2012. In 2013 he suffered his first of 3 major injuries that each shelved him for 3 months. In two of these injuries he suffered recovery setbacks of at least a month. He was never the same pitcher agter 2012.

Up through 2012, he received average to very good run support. A good pitcher pitching well doesn't need that much support to get wins. AFter his injuries started, he wasn't pitching as well. In the last 6 seasons of his career he pitched at least 177 innings 4 times (the other 2 years he pitched a total of 126 2/3). His ERAs for those full seasons were 4.22, 4.84, 5.72, and a 6.59 in his final season.

Just as his pitching skills were leaving him, so did his run support. In his last 2 years he received run support of 3.37 and 3.25 runs per game. So, as he was racking up the earned runs that pushed his career ERA over 4.00, he was getting miserable run support that brought that career number below his career ERA.

But when he was good, he was very good.

From 2004-2012 he pitched over 225 innings a season and struck out over 200 batters in each season. In 2006 he won the CYA as he went 17-8 with an OOTP ERA of 3.48. He struck out 223 men while walking 38.

For his career he K'ed 2946 and walked 840. In 2014 (post injuries) he gave up 39 HRs. Only 4 players have given up more in a season and only one of them, Carl Hubbell, is in the HOF. Not that Vazquez was immune to the long ball before his injurues. His career gopher ball total of 384 is 7th most. HOFers Carl Hubbell and Steve Carlton are ahead of him on that list.

Vazquez won one GG. He enters the Hall on the basis of his Gray Ink number being above the Hall average.

Black Ink: 11
Gray Ink: 187
HOFm: 97.9
HOFs: 37

Gorilla Composite: 2.5

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At the age of 71. Ed Walsh becomes the oldest player to be inducted into this HOF.

Chosen by the Tigers as the 6th overall pick in 1974, Walsh played through the 1991 season and compiled a 191-144 record with an OOTP ERA of 2.93. That's good for an elite career npa ERA+ of 143.

A six time All Star, Walsh struck out 300 men 3 times as he racked up 2663 career Ks.

In his rookie season of 1975 (when quality pitchers were scarce and those that pitched were dominant), Walsh whiffed 380 men as he won 21 games vs 15 losses and posted an OOTP ERA of 1.92 (npa ERA+ 210).

Walsh never won a WS, but in three post-seasons he did his part to get his teams there. He made 4 post season starts, in 3 post seasons, throwing 34 innings, striking out 46 and walking only 5. His OOTP ERA in these games was 1.59.

In 1978 he won 28 games. Only 5 players have won more in a season. Of those, Matt Kilroy and Mike Moore preceded Walsh into the Hall.

Walsh is the 16th player to be inducted into this HOF and the previous one. His is the 9th RL HOFer to be inducted into this one. He is the 2nd RL HOFer to be inducted into both.

Walsh enters on the Veteran Standard.

Black Ink: 27 (67)
Gray Ink: 154 (178)
HOFm: 105 (146)
HOFs: 45 (52)

Gorilla Composite: 2.9 (4.4)

02-20-2013, 06:28 AM	#35
VanillaGorilla All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,371 Blog Entries: 2	Class of 2025 (1953), Pitchers: Vazquez, Walsh A neat thing about this HOF model is that you could take the same league results and run this method 100 times and get 100 different sets of players. You would get a core of 75%-80% of the Hall that would be in each of the 100 HOFs, and probably half of those not in 100% of the Halls would be in 90% of them. But the mix of the of the 200+ players would be different, for each. If saying 100 out of 100 having different compositions is a stretch (and it may well be a stretch) the chances of having any 2 HOFs out of 100 where the same players are inducted in the same years is microscopically low. ------------------------- Javier Vasquez was selected by the White Sox as the 13th overall pick in 2002. In a career that lasted through the 2019 season, Vazquez posted a record of 200-149 with an OOTP ERA of 4.08 (npa OPS+ 114). Vazquez is the first pitcher to be inducted with a career ERA over 4.00. For his career, he received run support of 4.01 runs per game. How did he put up a career win% of .573 when he was charged with EARNED runs at a rate higher than he received TOTAL run support? My curiosity was quickly satisfied. Vazquez pitched in 6 All-Star games from 2003-2012. In 2012 he pitched a no hitter and won his only WS as he led the Red Sox to the Championship. He is the first HOFer from that Boston team. He had a total of 10 days worth of injury time through 2012. In 2013 he suffered his first of 3 major injuries that each shelved him for 3 months. In two of these injuries he suffered recovery setbacks of at least a month. He was never the same pitcher agter 2012. Up through 2012, he received average to very good run support. A good pitcher pitching well doesn't need that much support to get wins. AFter his injuries started, he wasn't pitching as well. In the last 6 seasons of his career he pitched at least 177 innings 4 times (the other 2 years he pitched a total of 126 2/3). His ERAs for those full seasons were 4.22, 4.84, 5.72, and a 6.59 in his final season. Just as his pitching skills were leaving him, so did his run support. In his last 2 years he received run support of 3.37 and 3.25 runs per game. So, as he was racking up the earned runs that pushed his career ERA over 4.00, he was getting miserable run support that brought that career number below his career ERA. But when he was good, he was very good. From 2004-2012 he pitched over 225 innings a season and struck out over 200 batters in each season. In 2006 he won the CYA as he went 17-8 with an OOTP ERA of 3.48. He struck out 223 men while walking 38. For his career he K'ed 2946 and walked 840. In 2014 (post injuries) he gave up 39 HRs. Only 4 players have given up more in a season and only one of them, Carl Hubbell, is in the HOF. Not that Vazquez was immune to the long ball before his injurues. His career gopher ball total of 384 is 7th most. HOFers Carl Hubbell and Steve Carlton are ahead of him on that list. Vazquez won one GG. He enters the Hall on the basis of his Gray Ink number being above the Hall average. Black Ink: 11 Gray Ink: 187 HOFm: 97.9 HOFs: 37 Gorilla Composite: 2.5 ------------------------ At the age of 71. Ed Walsh becomes the oldest player to be inducted into this HOF. Chosen by the Tigers as the 6th overall pick in 1974, Walsh played through the 1991 season and compiled a 191-144 record with an OOTP ERA of 2.93. That's good for an elite career npa ERA+ of 143. A six time All Star, Walsh struck out 300 men 3 times as he racked up 2663 career Ks. In his rookie season of 1975 (when quality pitchers were scarce and those that pitched were dominant), Walsh whiffed 380 men as he won 21 games vs 15 losses and posted an OOTP ERA of 1.92 (npa ERA+ 210). Walsh never won a WS, but in three post-seasons he did his part to get his teams there. He made 4 post season starts, in 3 post seasons, throwing 34 innings, striking out 46 and walking only 5. His OOTP ERA in these games was 1.59. In 1978 he won 28 games. Only 5 players have won more in a season. Of those, Matt Kilroy and Mike Moore preceded Walsh into the Hall. Walsh is the 16th player to be inducted into this HOF and the previous one. His is the 9th RL HOFer to be inducted into this one. He is the 2nd RL HOFer to be inducted into both. Walsh enters on the Veteran Standard. Black Ink: 27 (67) Gray Ink: 154 (178) HOFm: 105 (146) HOFs: 45 (52) Gorilla Composite: 2.9 (4.4) Last edited by VanillaGorilla; 02-20-2013 at 08:52 PM.