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VanillaGorilla · 03-12-2013, 08:49 AM

Dan Haren was the first player taken in the 2013 draft. He chose not to sign with the Royals and was drafted with the 5th pick in 2014 by the Giants. He signed with them.

A six time All Star, Haren enters the HOF with the 5th most career wins in league history, 281. All pitchers with more wins are already in the Hall (W. Johnson, Cain, Carlton, Mullane). His 3850 strikeouts are the 7th most for a career. He also has the distinction of giving up the most HRs in league history, 490.

To be the All-Time leader in HRA, you have to have pitched a long time and been a quality pitcher, and Haren filled both requirements. His 20 year career spanned through the 2034 season. In his 2034 Swan Song, the veteran won his first WS as a member of the Detroit Tigers. No player from that squad has been inducted previous to Haren, but that will change.

Haren never put up an eye popping K total in a season, but he only walked 781 batters in his career to give him a K/W rate of almost 5.

In 2025 he had his only 20 game win season. He went 22-8 with an OOTP ERA of 2.49 (npa ERA+ 159). He also notched a perfect game. In a sheer coincidence, that was a free agent season. He signed to play with Cleveland in the off season. Though he remained a quality pitcher, he never reached All Star level in any remaining season. Sheerly a coincidence....

His career 281-216 mark gives him a career .565 win%. His career OOTP ERA of 3.39 equated to a solid HOF npa ERA+ of 127.

Haren enters by virtue of his Gray Ink and HOFs numbers being above the Hall average.

Black Ink: 28
Gray Ink: 235
HOFm: 138.7
HOFs: 55

Gorilla Composite: 3.8

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Ray is not the pitching Roberts one would expect to be a HOFer. But, today, it is Ray.

Another splotchy portrait in the photo pack guy, Ray Roberts pitched 3 RL games, and was 0-2 with an ERA over 7.

Here, the dice powers that be were very kind, indeed. He had a very interesting an extraordinary career.

A late round draft pick (there is never more than 5 rds, here...usually only 3 and change, with the supplemental picks being classified as 1st rders), Roberts was drafted in the 3rd rd, 124th overall, by the Pirates. He didn't hold out.

He spent most of his first professional career in the minors. At age 23 he was a regular Big Leaguer and tallied 19 saves. In each of his next 7 years he would have at least 29 each season.

By the age of 35, he had nearly 400 saves. There were younger flame throwers that took his place as the colsing specialist, and Roberts was relegated to middle relief duties.

In 2026, he was traded midseason from Oakland to Boston. As a Red Sox, at age 37, he made his first career start. He left Boston as a Free Agent that off season to join the Dodgers.

Being used exclusively as a MR, the 38 year old Roberts made 27 appearances and carried a 1.95 OOTP ERA over 31.1 IP. He had one win and one save.

He joined the Nationals the following year and made 11 starts. Two years later, he signed with the Brewers for his final season. In that last season, at the age of 41, Roberts earned the closer job, once again. Roberts took the mound 66 times and earned 42 saves (tying his career best) in 46 chances and carried an OOTP ERA of 3.13.

For his career, Roberts made 1160 (9th) appearances and saved 426 (t-6th) games. His OOTP ERA of 3.04 made for a npa ERA+ of 145.

In 2013 he saved 34 games pitching to HOF catcher Buck Ewing as the Pirates won the WS. In 15 post season games, Roberts made 11 appearances in 2013 and saved 9 games.

Roberts was named to 2 All Star teams. He enters the HOF by virtue of hos HOFs number being above the Hall average, once the career save bonus is added.

Black Ink: 3
Gray Ink: 27
HOFm: 120.9
HOFs: 15

Gorilla Composite: 1.2

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Warren Spahn may be my favorite pitcher of all-time. So, it is with great pleasure that he is welcomed into the converted tractor shed.

Span was selected by Oakland with the second pick overall in the 2015 draft.

Though he didn't win ROY, as a 20 year old in 2016, Spahn won 17 games and struck out 256 hitters in 249 1/3 IP posting an OOTP ERA of 2.60. His npa ERA+ of 157 would stand as the best in his career.

In 2018, Spahn was 18-7 and struck out a career best 311 men as he and veteran Jesse Burkett led the Athletics to WS victory.

For his career, Spahn was 249-175 and had 3583 career Ks (12th). Hos OOTP ERA of 3.49 gives him a career npa ERA+ of 126. His 249 wins ties him for 11th place on the career win list with a player who becomes eligible next year. He has one more career win than Harry Salisbury and one fewer than Pedro Martinez.

A 4 time All-Star, Spahn enters the HOF by virtue of his Gray Ink number being above the Hall average. Spahn is the 24th RL HOFer to enter this Hall.

Black Ink: 18 (101)
Gray Ink: 215 (374)
HOFm: 130.4 (260)
HOFs: 48 (66)

Gorilla Composite: 3.2 (7.1)

According to the Gorilla Composite, in RL Warren Spahn is the greatest LHP, ever.

03-12-2013, 08:49 AM	#65
VanillaGorilla All Star Starter Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,371 Blog Entries: 2	Class of 2044 (1972), Pitchers: Haren, Roberts, Spahn Dan Haren was the first player taken in the 2013 draft. He chose not to sign with the Royals and was drafted with the 5th pick in 2014 by the Giants. He signed with them. A six time All Star, Haren enters the HOF with the 5th most career wins in league history, 281. All pitchers with more wins are already in the Hall (W. Johnson, Cain, Carlton, Mullane). His 3850 strikeouts are the 7th most for a career. He also has the distinction of giving up the most HRs in league history, 490. To be the All-Time leader in HRA, you have to have pitched a long time and been a quality pitcher, and Haren filled both requirements. His 20 year career spanned through the 2034 season. In his 2034 Swan Song, the veteran won his first WS as a member of the Detroit Tigers. No player from that squad has been inducted previous to Haren, but that will change. Haren never put up an eye popping K total in a season, but he only walked 781 batters in his career to give him a K/W rate of almost 5. In 2025 he had his only 20 game win season. He went 22-8 with an OOTP ERA of 2.49 (npa ERA+ 159). He also notched a perfect game. In a sheer coincidence, that was a free agent season. He signed to play with Cleveland in the off season. Though he remained a quality pitcher, he never reached All Star level in any remaining season. Sheerly a coincidence.... His career 281-216 mark gives him a career .565 win%. His career OOTP ERA of 3.39 equated to a solid HOF npa ERA+ of 127. Haren enters by virtue of his Gray Ink and HOFs numbers being above the Hall average. Black Ink: 28 Gray Ink: 235 HOFm: 138.7 HOFs: 55 Gorilla Composite: 3.8 ---------------------------- Ray is not the pitching Roberts one would expect to be a HOFer. But, today, it is Ray. Another splotchy portrait in the photo pack guy, Ray Roberts pitched 3 RL games, and was 0-2 with an ERA over 7. Here, the dice powers that be were very kind, indeed. He had a very interesting an extraordinary career. A late round draft pick (there is never more than 5 rds, here...usually only 3 and change, with the supplemental picks being classified as 1st rders), Roberts was drafted in the 3rd rd, 124th overall, by the Pirates. He didn't hold out. He spent most of his first professional career in the minors. At age 23 he was a regular Big Leaguer and tallied 19 saves. In each of his next 7 years he would have at least 29 each season. By the age of 35, he had nearly 400 saves. There were younger flame throwers that took his place as the colsing specialist, and Roberts was relegated to middle relief duties. In 2026, he was traded midseason from Oakland to Boston. As a Red Sox, at age 37, he made his first career start. He left Boston as a Free Agent that off season to join the Dodgers. Being used exclusively as a MR, the 38 year old Roberts made 27 appearances and carried a 1.95 OOTP ERA over 31.1 IP. He had one win and one save. He joined the Nationals the following year and made 11 starts. Two years later, he signed with the Brewers for his final season. In that last season, at the age of 41, Roberts earned the closer job, once again. Roberts took the mound 66 times and earned 42 saves (tying his career best) in 46 chances and carried an OOTP ERA of 3.13. For his career, Roberts made 1160 (9th) appearances and saved 426 (t-6th) games. His OOTP ERA of 3.04 made for a npa ERA+ of 145. In 2013 he saved 34 games pitching to HOF catcher Buck Ewing as the Pirates won the WS. In 15 post season games, Roberts made 11 appearances in 2013 and saved 9 games. Roberts was named to 2 All Star teams. He enters the HOF by virtue of hos HOFs number being above the Hall average, once the career save bonus is added. Black Ink: 3 Gray Ink: 27 HOFm: 120.9 HOFs: 15 Gorilla Composite: 1.2 ------------------------------------- Warren Spahn may be my favorite pitcher of all-time. So, it is with great pleasure that he is welcomed into the converted tractor shed. Span was selected by Oakland with the second pick overall in the 2015 draft. Though he didn't win ROY, as a 20 year old in 2016, Spahn won 17 games and struck out 256 hitters in 249 1/3 IP posting an OOTP ERA of 2.60. His npa ERA+ of 157 would stand as the best in his career. In 2018, Spahn was 18-7 and struck out a career best 311 men as he and veteran Jesse Burkett led the Athletics to WS victory. For his career, Spahn was 249-175 and had 3583 career Ks (12th). Hos OOTP ERA of 3.49 gives him a career npa ERA+ of 126. His 249 wins ties him for 11th place on the career win list with a player who becomes eligible next year. He has one more career win than Harry Salisbury and one fewer than Pedro Martinez. A 4 time All-Star, Spahn enters the HOF by virtue of his Gray Ink number being above the Hall average. Spahn is the 24th RL HOFer to enter this Hall. Black Ink: 18 (101) Gray Ink: 215 (374) HOFm: 130.4 (260) HOFs: 48 (66) Gorilla Composite: 3.2 (7.1) According to the Gorilla Composite, in RL Warren Spahn is the greatest LHP, ever. Last edited by VanillaGorilla; 03-12-2013 at 09:17 AM.