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djday45 · 06-11-2008, 02:47 PM

Jeffries is very underated now as most people remember him for his loss to Johnson. It must be remembered that Jeffries was undefeated in his prime and only came back to fight Johnson after six years being retired.

Leading boxing historians such as Cox and Callis rate him much more highly than has been the accepted wisdom.

Fouls - Change to often. Although not a real dirty fighter he was certainly were rough and tough and tended to get dirtier if his opponent did.

Fighting Inside - Change to 3. His favourite tactic along with power punching was to wear his opponent down slowly on the inside. Later in his career he became an expert at breaking fighters down as he did with Corbett especially.

Condition - Change to 1. Known to be a really amazing all round athlete and great dilligent trainer, Jeffries only slipped in this regard once he retired and had to lose over 100 pounds for his fight with Johnson. But we are dealing with him in his prime here so he deserves a 1.

Control vs Boxer - change to 12. Deceptively skilled, Jeffries defeated all comers to his crown no matter the style, including Corbett and Fitzsimmons.

Control vs Boxer - change to 13. He was still slightly more comfortable facing brawlers and punchers however and was truly fearsome against them. the above two increases also factor in his sheer size and strength which for the period he was an immense fighter quite the equal of modern heavies. Sheer size and strength are hard to factor in the game but the control factors are the place to do it.

Chin Vs Knockdown - change to 0. never knocked down during his career until the johnson fight he was known for his superhuman chin.

Chin Vs Knockout - change to 0. see above if he is remembered mostly today it is for his amazing stamina, chin and ability to absorb punishment. he fought some great punchers as well such as Fitzsimmons, Choynski and Sharkey.

Absorb Punishment - Change to 1. If anyone in the heavy division deserves this rating its the Boilermaker. His bravery is not in doubt he is known to have one fights despite great injury.

Cuts - change to 2. he had two many bad facial injuries to recieve the top mark in this category. He got away with them in his era but in more modern times he might have a loss of two due to cuts.

Agressivness - change to 7. a common mistake when rating fighters is to assume all sluggers have high agressivness. Fighters styles are more unique than that especially the individualistic champions and Jeffries is a great example. He was trained by Tommy Ryan in quite a cautious crab like style which gave him good defense and he would leap foward suddenly with his vaunted hooks. But it made him quite patient and aslsmost a kind of strange counterpuncher. He should def not have a high rating in this category.

Defense - Change to 0. This rating is very wrong. see above for his defensive style. He fought out of a sort of crab like crouch which reduced the punches he took very effectively. He was not an open brawler but a skilled patient technician.

Fast Starter - Change to 3. Again he was very patient and took a while to get into his groove and style. a typical slow starter.

Punches - His hook was by far his most potent and used weapon both to the head and body. Reduce down his crosses both 2 and 3 points considerably and increae his hooks.

Hitting Power - Change to 11. A true power puncher his punches caused real injuries and ended many fights, not in the class of say Liston and co and his knockouts were somewhat hampered by his patient style, none the less he had the ability to end a fight especially with his left hook.

Counter punching - Change to 38. a slight increase to reflect his cautious countering style.

Overall Rating - up to 13. This is a big leap from 10 but very deserved the more i read about him the more i realsie what an amazing fighter he was and very few heavyweights from history would have defeated him.

06-11-2008, 02:47 PM	#19
djday45 All Star Starter Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,502	James Jeffries Jeffries is very underated now as most people remember him for his loss to Johnson. It must be remembered that Jeffries was undefeated in his prime and only came back to fight Johnson after six years being retired. Leading boxing historians such as Cox and Callis rate him much more highly than has been the accepted wisdom. Fouls - Change to often. Although not a real dirty fighter he was certainly were rough and tough and tended to get dirtier if his opponent did. Fighting Inside - Change to 3. His favourite tactic along with power punching was to wear his opponent down slowly on the inside. Later in his career he became an expert at breaking fighters down as he did with Corbett especially. Condition - Change to 1. Known to be a really amazing all round athlete and great dilligent trainer, Jeffries only slipped in this regard once he retired and had to lose over 100 pounds for his fight with Johnson. But we are dealing with him in his prime here so he deserves a 1. Control vs Boxer - change to 12. Deceptively skilled, Jeffries defeated all comers to his crown no matter the style, including Corbett and Fitzsimmons. Control vs Boxer - change to 13. He was still slightly more comfortable facing brawlers and punchers however and was truly fearsome against them. the above two increases also factor in his sheer size and strength which for the period he was an immense fighter quite the equal of modern heavies. Sheer size and strength are hard to factor in the game but the control factors are the place to do it. Chin Vs Knockdown - change to 0. never knocked down during his career until the johnson fight he was known for his superhuman chin. Chin Vs Knockout - change to 0. see above if he is remembered mostly today it is for his amazing stamina, chin and ability to absorb punishment. he fought some great punchers as well such as Fitzsimmons, Choynski and Sharkey. Absorb Punishment - Change to 1. If anyone in the heavy division deserves this rating its the Boilermaker. His bravery is not in doubt he is known to have one fights despite great injury. Cuts - change to 2. he had two many bad facial injuries to recieve the top mark in this category. He got away with them in his era but in more modern times he might have a loss of two due to cuts. Agressivness - change to 7. a common mistake when rating fighters is to assume all sluggers have high agressivness. Fighters styles are more unique than that especially the individualistic champions and Jeffries is a great example. He was trained by Tommy Ryan in quite a cautious crab like style which gave him good defense and he would leap foward suddenly with his vaunted hooks. But it made him quite patient and aslsmost a kind of strange counterpuncher. He should def not have a high rating in this category. Defense - Change to 0. This rating is very wrong. see above for his defensive style. He fought out of a sort of crab like crouch which reduced the punches he took very effectively. He was not an open brawler but a skilled patient technician. Fast Starter - Change to 3. Again he was very patient and took a while to get into his groove and style. a typical slow starter. Punches - His hook was by far his most potent and used weapon both to the head and body. Reduce down his crosses both 2 and 3 points considerably and increae his hooks. Hitting Power - Change to 11. A true power puncher his punches caused real injuries and ended many fights, not in the class of say Liston and co and his knockouts were somewhat hampered by his patient style, none the less he had the ability to end a fight especially with his left hook. Counter punching - Change to 38. a slight increase to reflect his cautious countering style. Overall Rating - up to 13. This is a big leap from 10 but very deserved the more i read about him the more i realsie what an amazing fighter he was and very few heavyweights from history would have defeated him.